detestandis Idolis The truth of these things is so generally known throughout the Nation that as I am sorry the mention thereof should drive Mr. T. into such a sweaâ—ing passion as it seems to do so can I not but wonder at his confidence in calling those things palpable gross untruths when the whole Nation knows the contrary His Satyrical expressions I omit The visible Lineaments and Characters of false Prophets being instamped upon the fore-heads of the present Ministers they are not to be heard but separated from CHAP. VIII Arg. 6. Sect. 1. A sixth Argument against hearing the present Ministers Saints must not have Communion with Idolaters The vanity of Mr. T. his arguings to the contrary evinced 1 Cor. 10. 14. 2 Cor. 6. 14 15 16 17 18 opened A threefold Idolatry Whether the Idolaters of old worshipped the creature terminatively Of the golden Calf Baal Molech That the Worshippers of them worshipped them not terminatively proved Of Devil-Worship Psal 106. 37 38 explained The Heathen Images dedicated to the true God The Testimony of the Heathens in this matter Of refined Idolatry Worshiping of God in a way not of his appointment is Idolatry The Testimony of Calvin Perkins Ames Pareus Willet Peter Martyr c. to the truth of the Assertion The Romans worshipped the Godds an hundred and seventy years and more without Images A Sixth Argument advanced in S. T. against hearing the present Ministers is this Those that are guilty of Idolatry Saints may not have communion with much less own them as their Teachers but ought to separate from them But the present Ministers of England are guilty of Idolatry Therefore The Major is bottomed upon express Commands from Christ 1 Cor. 5. 11. 10. 14. 2 Cor. 6. 14 18. To which Mr. T. replies 1. The Conclusion is not the same with that which Chap. 1. was undertaken to be defended That it is not lawful for Saints to hear the present Ministers which we may do though Communion with them be unlawful though we are bound not to own them as our Teachers but separate from them Answ Now this I confess I understand not Communion consists in giving and receiving a constant or frequent attending upon any ones teaching especially when by the Prelates instituted and inducted to such a Parish as a Teacher whereof I am a Member is an Argument of my owning him for my Teacher Separation from any one consists in this that I have no Communion with him in that in respect of which I am bound to separate from him That I should with frequency hear a man preach as a Minister of the Gospel and yet be said to have no Communion with him to separate from him is an Aenigma that needs some Oedipus to unravel He tells us 2dly The Major is not true if the Idolatry be in worshiping in any other way than what he hath prescribed or if the Idolatry be secret or if open if by infirmity a man falls into it and repents or be not censured as such or teacheth not such Idolatry nor requires any communion with him in his Idolatry Answ 1. If the Major be not true it follows that its lawful to have Communion with Idolaters for with persons guilty of Idolatry the Major saith we must not have Communion Mr. T. is driveâ— to his shifts indeed when to defend the cause he hath undertaken he is forced to plead for such gross absurdities so contradictory to the Scriptures and the judgment of all sober Christians that ever were in the world 2. If worshipping God in another way than he hath appointed be in Scripture Idolatry and in it we are commanded to abstain from such Worship and Worshippers then though the Idolatry consist therein the Major is true When the Scripture commands us to flee from Idolatry it means that which is so in its own sense not Mr. T 's 3. 'T is true I am not to separate from a person I know not to be guilty of Idolatry till I know he is so but this reacheth not the case of the present Ministers whom we prove manifestly guilty hereof When Ezekiel once came to understand that the Antients of the House of Israel committed Idolatry in the Chambers of their Imagery Ezek. 8. 7 to 13. he might not have Communion with them though they committed it in the dark 4. Repentance restores a man fallen into the same place amongst the Saints he was in before he fell but this is not at all to the purpose the present Ministers justifie their actings would compel aâ—l to do as they do 5. That 't is not our duty to separate from Idolaters till they are under Church-censure is a meer fancy 1st What if they are such as are in no Church-state persons without with whom the Church hath nothing to do 2dly What if the so called Church be generally overspread with Idolatry as our Animadverter will confess the Church of Rome is must I wait the Churches censure till I refuse to hold communion with Idolaters Is it ever likely that an Apostate Idolatrous Church will pass sentence upon it self or rational that I hold communion with them till they do So is 6. That 't is not our duty so to do except they teach it and require my communion with them in it For 1. he that practiseth it teacheth it by his practice 2. As it relates to the present Ministers 't is vain and frivolous they both practise and preach it and require my communion with them in it He saith 3dly The Texts do not prove the Major Answ Let the judicious Reader judge for himself whether they do or no 1 Cor. 5. 11. we have already vindicated from his exceptions That 1 Cor. 10. 14. is not to our purpose because the Apostle onely saith Flee from Idolatry not from teachers that are Idolaters is a fond conceit The intendment of the Apostle is to provoke to the greatest circumspection not onely to avoid the thing it self which saith Pareus Was not only the gross Idolatry of the Gentiles but every kind of Idolatry but all the occasions thereof And certainly the hearing or attending on the ministry of persons guilty of Idolatry is no mean occasion thereof 2 Cor. 6. 14 15 16 17 18. commands separation from the Idol Mr. T. grants Now I must profess I know not by what Logick he will prove that though it be my duty to separate from Idols I may so far retain communion with the Idolater as to own him for my Teacher the very repeating these absurdities is confutation sufficient Before we attempt the proof of the minor Proposition we premise in S. T. That Idolatry may be considered under a threefold Notion 1. Most gross and absurd Idolatry when the creature is worshiped terminatively This we say few are guilty of In the matter of the golden Calf Israel was not they worshipped God in it Exod. 32. 5. Maimonides de Idolat 8. 2 3. tells us That through the Idols Idolaters worshipped
Word and to build without Hay and Stubble like Israel in Egypt when they be not allowed some warrant out of the Scripture which only can combine the matter of the work and make the frame of the building sure And Chrysostom giveth a reason why we must take nothing from the Prelates which is not clarè perspicuously demonstrated from the Scriptures for our Cogitation halteth when the Word wanteth which halting is sâ—n because we are bound to the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of a full perswasion even in indifferent things and all Chrys in 1 Cor. Homil. 13. So the Churches of Helvetia The universal Church of Christ hath fully explained in the Scriptures whatever things appertain to saving Faith and to the informing the Life rightly to please God To which that nothing may be added or diminished is distinctly commanded by the Lord. We judge therefore that from these Scriptures true Wisdom and Piety is to be sought Also the Reformation and Government of the Church which are with Mr. T. Adjuncts of Worship and the Institution of all duties of Piety C. 1. Conf. Helvet poster in Harmon Conf. And those famous Witnesses of Christ the Waldenses speak after the same rate In hac enim de Scripturâ ejus perfectione loquuntur quae ad Doctrinam Sanctae Ecclesiae Disciplinam Gubernationem ad singulos universos in ordinario salutis Ministerio unde vera fides existit necessaria sunt Ea inquam omnia plene omnino quantum opus est ut in eximio artificiocissimoque Sancti Spiritus opere in hac comprehensae sunt conclusa quâ nec Angelus de Coelo ullus proferre aliquid certius potest si adferret diversum aliquid credi ei non deberet Conses Bohem. seu Walden in Harmo Confes Which if Mr. T. will not others will believe speak home to the matter in hand The Declaration of the Congregational Elders chap. 1. I own and told Mr. T. as much as they say in S. T. Circumstances concerning the Worship of God c. common to humane actions and societies are to be ordered by the Light of Nature and Christian prudence as place time of meetings c. but they assert not that Circumstances of Worship as such are so to be ordered or to be practised without warrant from Scripture which is that we deny Thus far of the Major Proposition of our first Argument His Exceptions to the Minor will receive a speedy dispatch of which in the next Section Sect. 2. Hearing the Word part of Instituted Worship proved Mr. T. his Objection refelled The Judgment of Mr. Burroughs in this matter Hearing the present Ministers not warranted in the Scripture Of the tendency of the Separation pleaded-for Mr. T. a self-contradicter Of declaring for or against things according to affection The saying of Hierome THe Minor Proposition of our first Argument against Hearing we say consists of two parts 1. That Hearing is part of Instituted Worship which we proved by this Argument That in which we wait upon God in the way of an Ordinance for the communication of good beyond the vertue of any creature to conveigh is part of Instituted Worship But in the hearing the Word we thus wait upon God Therefore To which Mr. T. replies 1. by way of concession In some sense he grants Hearing to be part of Instituted Worship But 2dly if he takes not the Argument to be demonstrative sith there be many things As Marriage Eating Drinking c. in which we wait upon God in the way of an Ordinance for the communication of good beyond the vertue of any creature to convey to us and yet are not parts of the Instituted Worship of God Answ 1. But how sophistically and ludicrously doth he argue The Argument is of Good Spiritual and Eternal Mr. T. talks of Good Natural Political Temporary If he will prove the Argumenâ— not to be demonstrative he must prove that that in which we wait upon God in the way of an Ordinance for the communication of Spiritual and Eternal Good beyond the vertue of any creature to convey to us is not part of Instituted Worship 2. Precious Mr. Burroughs speaks fully to this Objection When I am busied in natural civil actions there I must profess that these things can do me no good without God but I do not wait â—pon God in an Ordinance for the conveyance of Natural good beyond what God hath put into the creature 't is his blessing with it that God in the ordinary course of his Providence doth convey such natural or civil good in the use of those creatures But now when I come to hear his Word I here come to wait on God in the way of an Ordinance for the conveyance of some spiritual good that this Ordinance hath not in it self take it materially but meerly as it hath an Iâ—stitution in it and is appointed by God for the conveyance of such and such things God doth appoint meat to nourish me and together with his Appointment he hath given a natural power to meat to nourish my body that in an ordinary course of Providence is enough for the nourishment of my body But now when I come to hear the Word I must look upon that not only as a thing to work upon my soul and to save my soul by not as a thing that hath any efficacy put into it as the other hath in a natural way it is not in the nature of the thing that carries such a power in it but it is the Institution of God and the Ordinance of God in it But I say 3dly Hearing the present Ministers is not warranted in the Scriptures This will be manifested when we come to thâ— ventilating and scanning those places which usually are produced for the abetting the practice of some in this matter To which Mr. T. subjoyns 1. The Scripture warrants the hearing them whilst they teach the Doctrine of Gods Word Answ When he shews us where it doth so he will say somewhat till then we are not bound to believe him Every one that teacheth true Doctrine we have proved is not to be heard He adds 2. The Scripture forbids only the hearing false Prophets Mat. 7. 15. Antichrists 1 John 2. 18. c. Answ 1. This Assertion is false as we have already manifested 2. We have in S. T. chap. 6. proved the present Ministers to be false Prophets and in our Answer to Mr. T. his Exceptions to the Preface Sect. 10. He saith further 3. Personal Exceptions against their entry into the Ministry or their sinful practices or the ventilating the places produced for the abetting the practices of some in this matter will not prove the Minor Answ But if we prove they act from an Antichristian Call and that 't is the mind of Christ we should not attend upon a Ministry that so acts if we prove them guilty of such sinful practices as Christ commands us to withdraw from persons
they have not This belongs to Patrons Lord-Bishops c. 2. The power of admission of Members and ejection of the Scandalous by excommunication they have not The first a man hath by buying or renting a piece of Land in the Parish and dwelling there the other is managed in the Bishops Courts by a sorry thing call'd a Chancellor it may be as deboist as the worst that is brought before him Now that with respect to these things Christ hath entrusted his Church with power we evince chap. 2 4. of S. T. 4ly That company of men that are not capable of performing those duties and cannot answer that end that Christ requires of his Churches for which he instituted them are not a true Church of Christ But the Parish-Assemblies of England are not capable of performing those duties Therefore 'T is the Minor needs proof The duties Christ requires to be performed by them the end he aimed at in instituting his Churches was 1. To set forth his honour and praise Eph. 3. 21. 1 Pet. 2. 9. 2. To promote the true Light and Knowledge of God Ephes 1. 8. 1 John 1. 6 7. 3. The mutual edification of one another in the things of God 1 Thess 5. 11. Eph. 4. 29. 1 Cor. 14. 26. Jude 20. I appeal to any unbyassed man in the world whether he thinks in his conscience that the Parish-Assemblies of England can perform these duties answer this end The contrary is most evident and too notoriously known to be true than to admit of a denial But I shall not enlarge on what is already so judiciously asserted and argued by others which Mr. T. is not able to evert The Ordination of Lord-Bishops of which he next speaks is forreign from Scripture if the Office it selâ— be This we prove chap. 3. of S. T. and Mr. T. once swore to extiâ—pate it as such and I am sorry to find him now pleading for it Whether I have abused John 10. 1 9. neither Mr. T. nor I must now be judge the judicious Reader will judge for us both and I doubt not according to truth Sect. 4. The Ministers of Engl. not to be heard as gifted-Brothren Judas not particularly declared by Christ Joh. 6. 70. to be a Devil The Animadverter abuseth the Author of the S. T. in affirming he â—ies up Saintship to particular Churches whom the Scripture makes Brethren Mr. T. reduceth the Brotherhood to a smaller scantling than we We cannot perform the duties of Brethren to the Ministers of Engl. and why If we own the best of them for Brethren we must own the worst Of Judas his receiving the Sacrament The mixt multitude making acclamation to Christ of joyning with other in Worship We separate no more from the Church of England than they do from us 1 Cor. 5. 1â— 'T is not lawful to break Bread with the visibly prophane proved Iâ— what sense the Bishops are styled Reverend Fathers They are not to be owned as such The Ministers of Engl. disorderly walkers proved They engage against Scripture-Reformation 2 Thes 3. 6. explained Of Obedience to Ministers Rom. 13. 1. Heb. 13. 7. opened We ought not to hear those from whom 't is our duty to withdraw Mr. T. his Aâ—guments to the contrary answered IN Sect. 4. our Animadverter replies to the proofs produced in S. T. for the confirmation of the second part of our Minor Proposition viz. That 't is not lawful to hear them as gifted-Brethren because 1. The most of them are not gifted nor 2. Brethren being Canonical Drunkards Swearers c. To this he saith 1. That any of them are such is to be bewayled in a Christian way the persons guilty are to be rebuked Lev. 19. 17. not to be thus charged in print in a Book vented in the dark tending to make them odious Answ 1. When he shall be pleased to manifest the Rule of Christ I have trangressed in thus charging them I shall as publickly acknowledge my error Those that sin rebuke before all 1 Tim. 5. 20. is some part of what I have to plead for my so doing 2. If the Book were vented in the dark I may thank them for it who would have such things stifled that their works may not be made manifest 3. I make them not odious they have made themselves so throughout the Nation 4. Mr. T. his hoping this is not true proves nothing the contrary is manifest to thousands He adds 2dly Were all this and more true yet they might be heard preach the Gospel as Brethren gifted Answ But knows he what he saith We affirm that they are not gifted nor Brethren that this should be true and more too and yet they might be heard as gifted Brethren is such a Paradox to me that comes but a little short if a little of down-right nonsense i. e. there are some may be heard as Brethren gifted that are neither gifted nor Brethren That Judas was declared by Christ to be a Devil John 6. 70. as he suggests is false He saith one of them was so but names him not 'T is true John tells us ver 71. that he spake of Judas but this neither he nor any of the rest knew till afterwards We add in S. T. 3dly The best of them cannot by Saints in respect of Gospel-communion be accounted Brethren For 1. There was never any giving up our selves each to other whence such a Brotherhood doth result To this Mr. T. answers 1. By Saints he means such as are members of a particular instituted Congregational Church distinct from the Presbyterian for such only are accounted Saints by him as give up themselves each to other c. Answ False and untrue I am amazed to see with what conscience this matter is managed by him no regard seems to be had to truth and honesty so he can cast dirt upon his Antagonist 2. 'T is contrary to my avowed principle and practice 3. I do verily believe that there are many Saints in England that are neither for the Presbyterian Parochial or Congregational way yea with Dr. Ames Trip. p. 523. afterwards cited by him I doubt not to say according to my conscience that amongst those which live under the tyranny of the Popâ—s and do not utterly separate from him through ignorance there be many Christians belonging to the true Catholick Church and so to be accounted our godly Brethren viz. upon the account of their Catholicism and so I believe there are in the Church of England somâ— amongst the Ministers thereof of whom I say still I deny not but they may be good men But yet we say 4. That upon the account of Gospel-Communion they cannot be accounted by us as Brethren because they are as Mr. T. saith rightly no members of a Christian Church i. e. any particular instituted Church of Christ That which is added by him makes much against him 1. 'T is false That the Scriptures make all who hold the same Faith and are Baptized into Christ
that they might not be heard as gifted Brethren Of which he gives us three learned reasons 1. Because the withdrawing themselves from every Brother that walks disorderly cannot be meant of their excluding themselves from Hearing Praying or receiving the Lords Supper if such an one be present Answ Right but though this withdrawment from such a Brother cannot be meant of exclusion from hearing whilst he is present yet I hope it may from hearing him who walks thus disorderly The same may be said of receiving the Lords Supper If he be there as a looker-on meerly this ought not to hinder any from waiting upon Christ in that institution though the Church of England in imitation of the old Pagan custom of the Druides c. of old interdicts the Priests saying service whilst an excommunicate person is there but if he shall be forced upon the Congregation as a member to joyn with them in that ordinance and much more as their Minister to celebrate it as is our case it is the duty of the Saints to surcease the performance of that duty for that season It was the keeping themselves from being polluted that caused them to sever from him that reason remaining which it doth till he hath testified his repentance their withdrawment is to continue He adds 2ly That the withdrawment mentioned 2 Thes 3. 6 14. is only from arbitrary communion in entertainments c. Answ This is an old shift of Mr. T. we have already refuted He further tells us 3ly If we omit it we omit the Worship of God and so break his Commandments Answ 1. This is a meer petitio principii we deny the ministration of the Sacraments according to the rights of the Church of England to be the Worship of God strictly so called 2ly There 's no need through grace of omitting the Worship of God if we worship not with them there are meetings of his people whither we may have recourse to worship him in his own way To what follows in this chapter we have already answered We attend his advance towards the discussion of our third argument of which in the next chapter CHAP. IIII. Sect. 1. Such as act from an Antichristian calling not to be heard proved 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 what it signifies Who is Antichrist what is Antichristian explained The Ministers of England derive their Office-power from the Papacie The Bishops of England Petty-Popes 'T is unlawful to attend upon the teachings of Antichrist therefore upon the teachings of such as act by a power derived from him Christ calls his People to separate from every thing of Antichrist Rev. 18. 4. and 14. 9. explained Of trying the Spirits 1 Joh. 4. 1. of Christs instituting Officers of his owâ— No promise of a blessing in attending upon an Antichristian Ministry IN Chap. 3. of S. T. a third Argument is produced against hearing the present Mâ—nisters viz. Those that act in the holy things of God by vertue of an Antichristian Power Office or Calling are not to be heard but to be seperated from But the present Ministers of England act in the holy things of God by vertue of an Antichristian Power Office or Calling Therefore The Major is evident for 1. The Power Office and Calling of Antichrist is opposite and contrary to the Power Office and calling of Christ not to separate from such as act by vertue of such an Office-power is to stand by and plead for Antichrist against Christ The sum of what Mr. T. answers hereunto is If by Antichristian Power Office and Calling be meant the Papal Power and the acting in the holy things be by preaching the doctrine of the Trent Council in the points determined therein against Protestants by administring Sacraments according to the Roman Missal and Discipline according to the Canon-Law of the Popes the Major is granted and the Minor denied But if by Antichristian power c. be meant by vertue of ministry according to the Liturgy Articles of Religion and Homilies of the Câ—urch of England from the Ordination and Licence of the Bishops his Major is denied that which he calls Antichristian is not truly such and it is denied that what he calls Antichristian is opposite and contrary to the Power Office and Calling of Christ Answ 1. The word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as this Animadverter tells us found only in the Epistle of John and principally 1 John 2. 18. where the Apostle distinguisheth between 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 between the mean Antichrists and the main Antichrist The best interpretation of the word seems to be a false Christ or â— Counter-Christ one that under the pretence of being for Christ doth really oppose Christ the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 both in opposition and composition signifies For in the Scripture as Mat. 2. 22. Acts. 13. 7. and in Classical Writers as Homer Hesycheius c. in his Offices Ministry Discipline Worship He is Antichrist that under the pretence of acting for Christ doth indeed though covertly act against him in his name and under the vizard of his authority That is Antichristian that though it be pretendedly for and from Christ it really is not And in this sense the Major is to be understood Those that act in the holy things of God viz. Praying Preaching Administration of Sacraments c. by vertue of a Power Office and Calling that is not though pretendedly really from Christ are to be separated from as we plainly declare in the first proof of the Major proposition in S. T. which Mr. T. would have disproved if he could But in the stead thereof he labours to raise a dust with a multitude of words before the eyes of the Reader that he might not be able to perceive wherein the weight of the Argument lay 2ly He acknowledges the Major to be true if understood of the Papal Power Office and Calling so that he which acts in the Holy things of God i. e. in Preaching for whether it be the doctrine of the Trent Councel or otherwise is not in this case considerable for if he act from an Antichristian Office-Power 't is not his preaching Truth which would make that Antichristian Office-Power Christian administration of Sacraments according to the Roman Missal and discipline according to the Canon-Law by vertue of an Antichristian Papal Power is not to be heard but in this sense he denies the Minor And I cannot but wonder at the confidence of the man doth he not know that they derive their Office-Power from the Papacy he is not so ignorant as noâ— to know it Do not the Bishops of England exercise the same power over the Clergy and Laity as they are called thereof as the Pope doth over his so that they are upon the matter Papilli Petty-Popes Is this power Antichristan in the Papacy and not so in the Prelacy Is not the manner of administation of Sacraments in use amongst us taken out of the Popish Missal Mr. T. knows
Mr. T. Sect. 3. 1. Mr. Gataker interprets the Words of Corporal Adultery Answ 1. It may be so I have not that Author to converse with 2. He is no Oracle that his Dictates must be subscribed to 3. The Adultery mentioned in the Text is made a Character of a false Prophet which corporal Adultery Mr. T. saith is noâ— He saith 2dly Every departure from the Institutions of the Lord in Worship to the inventions of men is not any where committing Adultery Answ Of this matter we have treated chap. 1. sect 12. whither we refer the Reader 3dly Walking in lies he tells us is a character of a false Prophet but they are lies in Doctrine not Worship that is intended in the places cited Answ 1. Of the Annotators he cites not one of them is of his mind Diodati interprets the Phrase of false worships and superstitions as do the Assembly in their Annotations on Am. 2. 4. 2dly We have manifested from other Scriptures that the expression is used by the Spirit of the Lord in this sense both heâ—e and Sect. 10. p. 96. to refute which he offers nothing and his own Dictates will never pass for proof 3dly We demonstrate the present Ministers walk in lies in the sense contended for by this Animadverter chap. 10. of S. T. 4thly To the Qâ—eries he answers The Institution of Preaching the Gospel they have not mixed with their own inventions Answ But this they evidently do whilst none must be allowed to Preach the Gospel but such as subject to Episcopal Ordination promise Canonical Obedience to their Ordinaries observe the Regulations for Preaching given forth by the Pope of Canterbury they are bound to omit the preaching of the Gospel when they have not time to Preach and read Service too Wherein Divine Institution must give place to humane inventions In Baptism he will tell you they mix an Institution of Christ's with the inventions of man in respect of the wrong Subject and they evidently do so whilst they sign with the sign of the Cross and make it such an essential part of Baptism that it is not lawful to be omitted The Institution of the Lord's Supper they mix with that Popish humane invention of kneeling in the Act of receiving which they constitute such a necessary part thereof that they will not admit any to receive in any other posture To the second viz. From how many have they gone a whoring He answers it concerns him that accuseth to shew Answ And that concern I dispatched chap. 4. of S. T. To the third viz. Is not a great part of their Worship drops of the Whores cup of Fornication Mr. T. though he multiply many words answers not at all not understanding or being willingly ignorant of my intendment in those expressions which was solely this that their Divine Service wherein a great part of their Worship doth consist is for the most part taken out of the Service-Book of Rome which Mr. T. may disprove if he can Sect. 2. A third Character of false Prophets mentioned Jer. 23. 13. A fourth Jer. 6. 14. c. A fifth Isa 56. 11. c. Which exactly agree to the present Ministers THE third Character of a false prophet mentioned in S. T. is this That they strengthen the hands of evil doers that none doth return from his wickedness Jer. 23. 13. This it 's said the present Ministers do whilst though in the general they denounce the Judgments of God against sinners they Saint them in the Chancel tell them that the body of Christ was broken for them To which our Animadverter â—ubjoyns Sect. 4. 1. Mr. Gatakers Paraphrase upon the Text is That they confirmed them in their wickedness by bearing them in hand that they should do well enough whatsoever Gods Messengers tell them though they continue in their sins Answ 1. The sin laid to their charge is strengthening the hands of evil doers whether they did this practically or doctrinally is not expressed 't is all one Probably they told them they were the holy People the true Church had his Temple and Ordinances with and amongst them and therefore God could not reject destroy them notwithstanding the Prophesie of Jeremiah to the contrary whom they reviled as a made seditious fellow thereby labouring to take off the people from an attendance on the Prophesie and threatnings given forth by him This we charge the present Ministers to be guilty of as the holy People and Church of God they admit the visibly prophane and wicked to the Lords Table and their Children to Baptism bury them as holy Brethren whom they call so not upon the accoâ—nt of Creation but Christianity which their conversations contradict and Church-membership with them though they die in the very act of drunkenness of whose joyful resurrection to eternal Life they profess they have a sure and certain hope which can be referred to no other but the person interred they asperse reproach those who would deal truly and roundly with them as seditious mad persons that are fit for the Stocks Prisons Dungeons whereby they evidently strengthen their hands in their wickedness 2. It is not true that the false Prophets told them expresly that they should do well enough though they continued in their siâ—s they flattered them with the mercy and patience of God the priviledges and immunities he had crowned them with by which they lead them into the belief of this that God would not reject them 3. The Assembly in their Annotations explain the Phrase of strengthening the hands of evil doers with this they confirm them in their wickedness and so keep them from Repentance Ezek. 13. 22. Which by the wayes and means instanced in 't is known the present Ministers do 4. 'T is not charity as he intimates to say to a known Drunkard Swearer that the body of Christ was broken the blood of Christ shed for him that he should take and eat and drink the Bread and Wine in â— membrance that Christ died for him but cruelty tending to the nourishment of false peace and confidence to the ruine of millions of Souls If Judas was at the Sacrament he was a visible Saint is no Warrant to administer it to persons of the complexion intimated The expressions above mentioned are not at all like those used by the Apostle 1 Cor. 8. 11. Heb. 10. 29. He speaks of visibly Saints these are spoken of and to the visible wicked and prophane 5. That these things do not confirm and strengthen the hands of evil doers was the alone thing to have been proved by our Animadverter but to that he speaks not at all What he further mentions is a pretended reply to what is remarked touching the Ministers of England that it is a rare thing to hear of one Soul that is brought over to God by all their Preaching so that visibly that Judgment of God seems to be upon them Jer. 23. 32. Therefore they shall not at all profit this people
in another way than he hath said he will be worshipped and is prescribed by him is in S. T. thus demonstrated Those that worship God after the way of the Common-Prayer-Book worship him in another way than he hath said he will be worshiped in and is prâ—scribed by him But the present Ministers of England worship God after the way of the Common-Prayer-Book Therefore The Minor cannot be denied their subscription before they are admitted into the Ministry with their daily and constant practice are sufficient evidences thereof To this Mr. T. replies Sect 3. 1. Way of Worship not prescribed by God he tells us may be 1st When the Worship is to another thing besides or with God in which sense the Minor was denied and should have been proved Answ 1. But in this sense we discharged the Ministers of England of the guilt of Idolatry What obligation lies upon us to prove a charge against them we never impleaded them as guilty I know not 2. If this be all Mr. T. contends about That they worship not another thing besides or with the true God he fights with a man of straw of his own making 3. When he demonstrates as he how dictates that this alone proves Idolatry i. e. there is no other Idolatry but the worshipping that which is not God by Nature I will acknowledge my mistake we have proved the contrary in which we have the concurrent testimony of the most all Expositors and Casuists that have written about Idolatry who make worshipping the true God in a way not of his perscription to be the Idolatry forbidden in the second Commandment Dr. Willet one of their own tells us as much Com. on Exod. p. 338. So doth the learned Usher Ball Ursin Calvin Wendeline Altingius Ravanellus Maccovius c. besides those we have already mentioned He adds 2dly By another way may be meant another Ceremony or Rite in which the Worship of God is placed but this Author goes not about to prove the minor in this sense Answ 1. By worshipping God in another way I understand the tendring to God a Worship and Service of humane devising that he no where calls for This I prove the Ministers of England do when they draw nigh to God with their Common-Prayer-Book-Service in their hands And Mr. T. talks idely when he saith The Worship of God is not placed therein If it be not they have in many places of the Land no Worship of God at all 't is frequently by them call'd Diviâ—e Service and the Service of the Church 'T is made such a necessary part of Worship that Preaching must give place to it As to what he adds 1. That I suppose that God hath appointed the particularities of the way of his Worship We answer ' That particularities of Worship as such are determined by the Lord we have asserted and proved what Mr. T. hath offered to the contrary in answer to the Preface Sect. 20. chap. 1. Sect. 3. chap. 4. Sect. 9. chap. 5. Sect. 3 4 5 7. is fully answered in our Reply thereunto 2. That the Argument may be retorted upon my self is a vanity of the Animadverter because 1. our dispute is not as he would bear the Reader in hand about every form of expression but of such a form wherein the Worship of God is placed which is â—mposed upon the Churches of Christ without subjection to which it is denied them to worship God at all as such for refusing whereof they are exposed to Excommunications and total ruine in this World 2. We have already proved that forms of prayer enjoyned are condemned by the Lord and praying in the Spirit commended and commanded We proceed in S. T. and prove That to worship God after the way of the Common-Prayer-Book is to worship him in a way that is not of his appointment which is the major proposition because the least footsteps of such a way of Worship is not to be found in the Old or New Testament enjoyned by Christ or his Apostles nor for several centuries of years afterwards of which we treat at large in S. T. What Mr. T. is pleased Sect. 4. in the first and second place to answer hereunto we have already replied to He adds 3dly He still acknowledgeth that the Common-Prayer-Book-Worship is the Worship of the true God Answ 1. I do so indeed and so was the Athenian Worship Acts 17. 23. yet an Idolatrous Worship and they themselves Idolaters 2dly Though I grant it to be the Worship of the true God yet I prove it not to be the true Worship of God and therefore Idolatrous He adds 4thly That he doth not except against the matter of the prayers in the Common-Prayer-Book Answ True in the place under consideration I do not but it doth not therefore follow that it 's not liable to exception Somewhat was hinted in S. T. touching this matter and more may be added in its proper place He adds That these three things are affirmed by me 1. That all Liturgies or stinted forms of prayer are not of Gods appointment but of humane invention 2. That they are unduly imposed on Ministers 3. That Ministers do sinfully yea idolatrously use them because it 's â— way of Worship not appointed of God With respect to which he affirms 1. That stinted forms of Prayer and Service of God which are not otherwise faulty then in that they are stinted may be lawfully used by a Minister of the Gospel in his publick Administration 2. That such Prayers and Service are a Worship of God in a way of his appointment Answ 1. And both these might be granted him without the least detriment to the Cause undertaken by us For the Common-Prayer-Book-Service is otherwise faulty than in that it is stinted viz. because abused to Idolatry the matter of it is in not a few things liable to exceptions the Rites and Modes enjoyned therein abominable 2. He should have proved one thing more viz That a Service devised by man as the Common-Prayer-Book is may lawfully be imposed and as so submitted to and that this is justifiable A failure wherein renders us unconcern'd in what is nextly offered by him This he expresly tells us p. 222. He will not justifie So brave a Champion is he for the Clergy that when he should come to a close encounter he fairly takes his heels and quits the Field leaving them poor men to shift for themselves as well as they can However we attend the proof of his Assertions 1. Christ appointed the Lords Prayer to be used by the Apostles as a stinted form tying them to the use of so many words and no more Mat. 6. 9. Luke 11. 2. Answ 1. Notoriously false as we have manifested together with the invalidity of mens arguings from hence for a stinted imposed Liturgie cap. 6. of this Treatise 2. Nor is this one of the Placita of the Separatists Grotius is of the same mind on Luke 11. 1. Teach us a compendium of those
thus formed That the doing whereof doth cast contempt upon the wayes and Institutions of our Lord Jesus and hardens persons in a false way of Worship and Rebellion against him is utterly unlawful for the Saints to do But the hearing the present Ministers of England is that the doing whereof doth cast contempt upon the wayes and Institutions of our Lord Jesus and hardens persons in a false way of Worship and Rebellion against him Therefore The Major we understand of real contempt and hardening in which sense Mr. T. acknowledgeth the truth of it Chap. 9. Sect. 1. In the Minor we say three things are asserted 1st That hearing the present Ministers casts contempt upon the ways and Institutions of Christ The truth whereof we evince by the review of several Institutions of Christ which they pour forth coâ—tempt upon As 1. That separation from the World and all wayes of false worship and the inventions of men thereabout until the Saints of the most High be apparently a people dwelling alone and not reckoned amongst the Nations is one grand Institution of Christ Numb 23. 9. John 15. 19. 2 Cor. 6. 14 15 17 19. Ephes 5. 8 11. 2 Tim. 3. 5. Hos 4. 15. Rev. 18. 4. Prov. 14. 7. Which we say is not denyed by some of our conforming Brethren By the World we understand persons in an unregenerate state in their enmity rebellion against God who though accounted Christians are really visibly enemies to the Cross of Christ By the Saints dwelling alone we mean their distance from the worship of the World and worldly carnal anti-evangelical Church as Israel was from the wayes and worship of the Nations This saith Mr. T. is false and dangerous not proved by the Texts Numb 23. 9. Is a prophâ—sie of Balaam concerning the people of Israel after the flesh that they should dwell alone and not be reckoned among the Nations which yeelds a better proof for a Nations-Church-Christian than for separation This must be a little farther considered First then that the people of Israel were Typical of the Church and people of God hath hitherto for the most part been taken for granted These upon this bottom are call'd his Israel Israelites indeed Jews the Circumcision the Seed of Abraham who is said to be their Father an holy Nation a Royal Priesthood a peculiar People as Israel of old was called Heb. 8. 8. John 1. 47. Rom. 2. 29. Phil. 3. 3. Gal. 3. 29. Rom. 4. 16. 1 Pet. 2. 5 9. They are the chosen called of God taken by Covenant near to him above the rest of the World sensible and sighing under a worse than Egyptian bondage from whence God brings redeems them by an out-stretched Arm Their Enemies pursue overtake them they are surrounded with Red-Sea difficulties ruine destruction inavoidable in the eye of reason yet God lifts up his hand wonderfully for them and makes a way for escape they then magnifie him and sing his Praises They are brought into a Wilderness yet not without the Pillar and Cloud the directing protecting presence of God with them Lions Bears Beasts of prey continually ready to devour them yeâ— upon them as his glory Jehovah hath a defence provides plenteously for them and at last brings them into the rest remaining for them as Israel in the Letter and Type 2dly Of this the Apostle discourseth at large 1 Cor. 10. 11. their Institutions and Ordinances were all Typical of the Spiritual things of the Gospel Their Laws and Statutes touching the Non-admission of persons legally unclean into the Camp Sanctuary Temple Numb 5. 2. 19. 20. for which end Porters were set at the Gates 2 Chron. 23. 19. were Types of the exclusion of persons morally so from the New-Testament Churches their Canaan was a Type of the Rest that remaineth for the People of God into which Joshua will lead them Heb. 4. 1 2 3 9. There dwelling alone not being reckoned amongst the Nations i. e. their separation from the Nations of the World with respect to Faith and Worship as Exod. 19. 5. Levit. 20. 24 26. Ezra 9. 2. was Typical of the separation of the New-Testament Saints from the Wicked of the World in their Communion Worship and Service of God Answ 1. That Israel should in most remarkable passages be Typical of New-Testament Saints and not in this as remarkable as any upon some accounts the most remarkable of them all is not probable 2. With respect to their Separation from the World they are called Exod. 19. 5 6. A peculiar Treasure to God a Kingdom of Priests an Holy Nation In answer whereunto Peter so calls New-Testament-Believers 1 Pet. 2. 9. The Chaldee saith Ye shall be before me Kings Priests and an holy People such hath Christ made the Saints unto God Rev. 1. 6. 5. 10. 1 Pet. 2. 5. Rom. 12. 1. 3. Accordingly the Church of Christ is said to be chosen out of the World John 15. 19. 1 Pet. 2. 9. They are said to be of God in opposition to the whole World beside which is said to lie in wickedness 1 John 5. 19. So that evidently the duty of the New-Testament-Believers with respect to separation from the World and its Worship is typed out in what is spoken of Israel according to the flesh the great Type of them Numb 23. 9. The weakness of Mr. T. his Assertion that from this Scripture a National-Church-Christian may better be proved than separation is from what hath been said abundantly evinced Israel was to the Nations of the World what the Churches of Christ now in the Nations thereof are distinct from them in their Ministration Worship and Service Herein they were Types not of National Churches which are not of the institution of the Lord in the New-Testament but of particular Churches as we have proved His exceptions to the other Scriptures will receive a speedy dispatch In his answer to John 5. 19. He supposeth that persons professing Christ from education or compulsion being formed up by Penal Laws into a National Church under Ecclesiastical Heads and Governors that are forreign to the Scripture though they live in a course of debauchery and actual Rebellion against him are not the World nor so call'd by Christ Of which we expect his proof Of this matter we have discoursed at large in this Treatise What he hath before said of 2 Cor. 6. 14. Ephes 5. 8 11. Rev. 18 4. we have already considered What Paul writes to Timothy 2 Tim. 3. 5. he writes 1. For our Instruction 2. It being a prophesie of the last dayes Apostacy under the Conduct and Regiment of Antichrist it was more directly and immediately intended for us than him 3. 'T is not a separation in respect of Arbitrary society in the World the Apostle is giving directions how we should behave our selves with respect to Instituted Worship that is enjoyned and yet if it were certainly those with whom we may not have such society we may not walk with in the fellowship
the Apostle would have them abstain from 2. Mr. T. himself saith pag. 279 That it was unlawful for them to touch or go to the Idols Temple and sit at meat there 3. The place it self in our case is the Idol it s worshipped adored idolized by the People of the Nation as it s known therefore not to be touched He saith further 2. They which joyn not in any Idol-Service or Honour keep themselves from Idols as is required 1 John 5. 21. Answ All self-devised Worship as is the Worship carried on in those places at this day is Idol-worship the deviser thereof being in a conformity thereunto idolized the second Precept touching Idolatry thereby violated those that would keep themselves from Idols must upon Mr. T. his own grounds keep themselves from that Worship and consequently from those places where it is solemnized and carried on 2. The place it self as was said is the great Idol of the Nation if we must keep our selves from Idols we must keep our selves from it Jude 23. enjoynes us to avoid the very appearances and occasions of evil and is therefore righteously urged by Mr. Robinson for Separation from the places of false Worship Rev. 14. 9. 18. 4. enjoyn a total relinquishment of all the things of Antichrist whereof his Ecclesiastical Holds as Mr. Mede calls them are a part What he talks with respect to the Common-Prayer-Book-Worship hath been shewed we have already replied to and proved it to be false-worship notwithstâ—nding all our Dictator is able to say to the contrary He adds Were there some superstition in the Worship it were not sufficient to make the places places of false-Worship as is evident from 1 Sam. 2. 17. 1 Cor. 11. 20 21 22. 14. 26. nor were it necessary to go out of them except Idolatrous Answ But if false-worship be managed and carried on in the places they must undoubtedly be places of false-worship i. e. places where false-worship is managed and carried on to assert the contrary were absurd and ridiculous Nor is there any thing in either of the Scriptures produced by our Animadverter that speaks the least syllable to what 〈◊〉 produced by him for The first gives us an account of the wickeâ—â—â—â—s of Samuels Sons but that they offered not the Sacrifices commanded by the Lord upon the Altar of the Lord at the place appointed by him it saith not The latter condemns some disorder about some acts of Worship in some Members of the Church but thâ—t there was any superstition in the Worship it saith not much less was there as in our case the introducing a new formal sapless Service cut out dressed and served in for the nourishment of an Idol and idle dumb Priesthood of which the Scriptures speak not a tittle 3. The places themselves are superstitious and Idolatrous as we have shewed and therefore Hos 4. 15. Am. 4. 4. are rightly cited by us as our Animadverter hiâ—self acknowledgeth What he adds That Gods People were required to go up to Jerusalem to worship after it had been defiled with Idolatry and the Idol removed and that Christ himself went up thither he â—ill upon the review I suppose raze out upon the account of its egregious impertinency That place was built by the appointment of the Lord his Name placed there there was the Ark Altar c. there he was solemnly to be worshipped and would be no where else none of which can be said of the Temples of England He further tells us That its false that we cannot go to hear the present Ministers without we go to their places and Assemblies of false Worship Which if understood of the publick Meeting-places allowed by Law as he must mean if he speaks pertinently for of such is the reason of the consequence meant I suppose he cannot prove That they frequent private Meetings set up Conventicles as they are call'd is not likely it being expresly against the Canons of their Church To which he adds That we are guilty of Judaizing in tying people to worship only in the place of the separated Churches contrary to John 4. 21. 1 Tim. 2. 8. Answ 1. This is notoriously false we tie persons to worship in no place upon the account of its holiness but an House a Mouâ—tain a Ship any place if not polluted with Idolatry is equal and alike esteemed by us 2. This may righteously be retorted upon the Clergy of England who judaize in their going about to compel us to worship in their Temples dedicated to Antichristian Mahuzzims and consecrated with Popish Holy Water and Prayers and accounted more holy than other places in the Nation of which they are notoriously guilty contrary to John 4. 21. 1 Tim. 2. 8. Sect. 3. There is no promise of a blessing upon hearing the present Ministers therefore 't is not lawful to hear them Isa 55. 3. Luke 11. 28. explained Sion typical of the New-Testament-Churches Babylon of the Antichristian Herd National Churches bear a resemblance not to Sion but old Babel THE 11th Argument produced in S. T. against hearing the present Ministers is That upon the doing whereof Saints have no promise of a blessing nor ground to expect it is not lawful for them to do But in the hearing the present Ministers there is no promise of a blessing nor ground to expect it Therefore The Major or first Proposition we took for granted But Mr. T. is pleased to enter his demurrer against it Sect. 8. He tells us Blessings are of many sorts 1. Immunity from evil or punishment in this sense the Major is true 2. Collation of some special good in this sense it is not true there are many things lawful to be done as eating drinking buying selling in respect of which men have no ground to expect any such blessing Ezekiel preached lawfully when he was told Israel would not hearken Ezek. 3. 2 7. And Jonah when he thought Niniveh would not repent Jonah 4. 2. Answ 1. Not to make many words the things done by the Saints are either such as appertain to the sustenance of their life and being the management and carrying on the concerns of their particular Callings in the World in respect unto which they have ground to expect not only a general but a special Blessing Psalm 1. 3. 1 Tim. 4. 8. 2. The things relating to the Worship and Service of God in which sense the Major is to be understood his instances of eating drinking are impertinent hereunto that I am to do nothing in the Worship of God in the doing of which I have no promise of a blessing nor ground to expect it viz. a special Spiritual Blessing God having said Where he records his Name he will meet with his People and bless them Exod. 20. 24. That where two or three are met together in his Name he will be in the midst of them Mat. 18. 20. viz. In respect of his gracious prâ—sence or communication of special Grace I had thought we
the 5th Whether Officers instituted by Christ are not only Pastors Teachers Deacons and Helpers he replies I find not Helperâ— Officers instituted by Christ but others I find here mentioned 1 Cor. 12. 28. Eph. 4. 11. Answ 1. Of helpers you may read Rom. 16. 3 9. 2. There are indeed other Officers mentioned of Christ's Institution in the places cited by him but they being such as are confessedly gone off the Stage we purposely omitted them Those mention'd are the alone knownstanding Officers in the Churches of Christ directions touching whose qualifications Election Office Work are laid down in the Scriptures To the 6th Whether the Offices of Arch-Bishops Lord-Bishops Deans Subdeans Prebendaries Chancellors Priests Deacons as the first step to a Priesthood Arch-Deacons Subdeacons Commissaries Officials Proctors Registers Apparitors Parsons Vicars Curats Canons Petty-Canons Gospellers Epistolers Chanters Virgers Organ-players Queristers be Officers any where instituted by the Lord Jesus in the Scripture He Answers Some are some are not See the Answer to Chap. 3. Answ To our Reply thereunto we refer the Reader for satisfaction in this matter To the 7th Whether the Calling and admission into theâ—e last mentioned Offices their Administration and Maintenance now had and received in England be according to the Word of God he replies This is answered before in sundry places Answ The vanity of his Answers we have already discovered To the 8th Whether every true visible particular Church of Christ be not a select company of People called and separated from the world and the false worship thereof by the Spirit and Word of God and joyned together in the fellowship of the Gospel by their own free and voluntary consent giving up themselves to Christ and one another according to the will of God He answers The terms are so ambiguously used that in some sence it may be answered Affirmatively in some Negatively Answ We have already explained the terms and demonstrated the truth of the Question in the Affirmative in all the branches thereof To the 9th Whether a company of People living in a Parish though the most of them be visible Drunkards and Swearers or at least strangers to the work of Regeneration upon their souls coming by compulsion or otherwise to the hearing of publick Prayers or Preaching are in the Scripture account Saints and the Church of Christ according to the pattern given forth by him He answers If their Faith be right they are i. e. if I mistake not If they assent to the Doctrine of the Church of England if they own no other Doctrinals but what are right for as to true saving Faith the persons described are undoubtedly strangers to it 't is impossible but they should be so whilst they abide such Now I believe never man in the world gave such an account of Saints Saint Drunkard and St. Swearer and St. Whoremaster sounds but harsh in the ears of men of understanding they themselves will swear they are no Saints That external profession of Faith is sufficient to constitute a person a Church-Member Bellarmine indeed affirms it may be Mr. T. received his notion from him and is therein opposed by the learned Whitaker who cites that saying of August Collat. 3. cum Donat. The Church is one Body in which is both a Soul and Body the Soul is the internal gifts of the Holy Ghost i. e. the internal graces The Body is the external profession of Faith and Communion of Sacraments And Sutliffe one of their own saith better To the Church not only profession of Faith but also holiness is required If the persons characterized by us are not the Church of Christ the Bride the Lambs Wife as we have proved they are not they must be accounted Daughters of the old Whore and Babel spoken of in the Scripture To the 10th Whether in such a Church there is or can rationally be supposed to be a true Ministry of the Institution of Christ He replies It may But we have proved the contrary To the 11th Whether the Book of Common-Prayer or stinted Liturgies be of the prescription of Christ and not of mans devising and invention he saith The Worship or matter for the greatest part of the Common-Prayer-Book is of Christ though the method and Form of Words be of men Answ 1. Modestly spoken however The whole of the matter of the Common-Prayer-Book he seems to grant is not of God though the greatest part he thinks is 2. Sufficiently impertinent 't is the method and Form of words that is the Liturgie or stinted Service to these men are tied If these are not of Christ as he grants their Liturgie is not To the 12th Whether some part of the Worship used by a People be polluted the whole of the Worship be not to be look'd upon in a Scripture account as polluted and abominable according to 1 King 18. 21. 2 King 17. 33. Isa 66. 3. Hos 4. 15. Ezek 43. 8. Zeph. 1. 5. So that if their Prayers be nought and polluted their Preaching be not so to He answers No nor is any such thing said in these Texts Answ Let the Reader consult them and he will find that they condemn the whole of the Worship though they did somwhat that was for the matter of it right and of the appointment of the Lord as polluted and accursed because some part of it was so His talk of the Imperfections of Ministers in prayer is impertinent every imperfection in Prayer renders not the Prayer naught and polluted in that sence in which we affirm the prayers of the Church of England or their devised Liturgie to be so upon the account of its non-institution by the Lord and oblation to an Idol To the 13th Whether a Ministry set up in direct opposition to a Ministry of Christ which riseth upon its fall and falls by its rise can by such as so account of it be lawfully joyned unto He replies No but they are bound to leave this account if it be erroneous Answ 1. But they think it not to be erroneous And 2. Mr. T. was lately of their mind when he swore to extirpate the Hierarchy To the 14th Whether such as have forsworn a Covenant-Reformation according to the Word of God and swear to a Worship that is meerly of humane devising that have nothing of the essentials of a Ministry of Christ to be found upon them may be accounted of as his Ministers and be adhered to He replies No. Wherein he hath given away the Cause pleaded for by him The Ministers of England are known and we have evinced it in this Treatise to be persons of the Complexion intimated To the 15th VVhether such as shall do so be not guilty of casting contempt upon the Institutions of Christ and disobedience against his Roâ—al Edicts commanding them to separate from persons of the complexion intimated He saith They would be if they should do so wittingly and willingly Answ But if they do it ignorantly though their sin be not
the hearing the present Ministers to be are not to be subjected to Acts 4. 19 20. 5. 29. Dan. 3. 16 17. 6. 10. We remark the Testimony of August de Verâ— Dom. Ser. 6. in this matter who was fully of the same mind with us Sed timeo inquies He tells us plainly That such as fear to offend â—heir superiours should much more fear to offend God who is greater than all The Emperors and Monarchs of the World threaten us with a Prison if we disobey them The Lord threatens us with Hell upon our disobâ—dience to him To which Mr. T. answers not at all The 9th Objection in S. T. is The Ministers of England are true Gospel Ministers for they convert souls which the Apostle makes the Sâ—al of his Ministry or Apostleship Therefore its lawful to hear them To which we say That the conversion of Souls proves not â— lawful Ministry 1. Paul makes it not 1 Cor 9. 2. singly a sufficient demonstration of his Apostleship 2. Many have converted souls that were not Apostles as ordinary Ministers yea Brethren Women remarkable Providences yet who will say that these last are Apostles or Ministers of the Lord Jesus 3. Should it be granted that Conversion of souls is an Argument of a lawful Ministry Where are the Churches nay where are the particular persons converted by them In answer to which Mr. T. grants That Conversion of souls is no certain sign of a true Gospel Minister whereby he hath discharged this Argument as insufficient from further attendance upon this service In what follows there is nothing but what hath already been replied to in this Sect. that requires our stay The last Objection proposed and answered in S. T. is Our Ministers are removed and we know not where to go to hear would you havâ— us sit at home idle Answ 1. Though we are not against any Ordinance of Christ yet we are afraid that those that know not how to spend the Lords â—ay without hearing do too much Idolize that Ordinance and never knew what 't was to spend that day with him Mr. T. adjoyns That such persons conceive they cannot spend â—he Lords day without hearing is not out of any Idolizing that Ordinance of God but because it is one duty of sanctifying the Lords day not only to exercise themselves in Reading and Prayer at home for that is every days duty but also to frequent the publick Assemblies where God is worshipped Heb. 10. 25. Exod. 20. 8. Acts 20. 7. Rev. 1. 10. 1 Cor. 16. 1 2. Joh. 20. 26 29. Answ 1. If by Publick Assemblies he mean the Assemblies of Swearers Drunkards Adulterers Idolaters called Christians where God is worshipped in a way of mans devising by an Antichristian Formal Superstitious and it may be Drunken Priest in opposition to the Private Meetings and Assemblies of the Saints The frequenting such Assemblies is so far from being that wherein the sanctifying the Lords Day doth consist that it is a profanation thereof being rebellion against that solemn Institution of our Lord Jesus enjoyning persons to separate from such Assemblies The Scriptures produced by him totally evert his Figment the most of them preaching forth the duty and practice of the Saints in opposition to such Assemblies And Rev. 1. 10. John was alone on the Lords Day and yet I hope sanctified it according to the will of God 2. I cannot but wonder that People especially men of learning reading should talk so much of Publick Assemblies and Publick Ordinances when they cannot but know that ever since Christianity had a being in the world for the most part the Assemblies of Pagans and Antichristians with their Ordinances and Worship were publick and the Assemblies of the true Church and Worship of Christ retired and private Whence in Rev. 12. 6. when you have the Beast and Whore in their Ruffe and Gallantry the whole World wondering after them Rev. 13. 3. you have the poor Witnesses of Christ prophesying in sackcloth Rev. 11. and the Church flying into the Wilderness a state of solitariness and retirement Rev. 12. 6 14. Might not the Papists in the Marian dayes have pleaded thus against the Protestants Such Publick Assemblies as Mr. Cotton spake of viz. The Assemblies of Believers in a particular Church-State we say are not carelesly or willfully to be neglected or forsaken But what 's this to the Parochial Assemblies of England who are not such Mr. Crofton's Argument cited by him is easily answered 'T is this Communion with the Church-visible in Gods solemn Worship is an essential part of the sanctification of the Sabbath an indispensible duty But Communion with the English Church in the Worship by her celebrated is Communion with the Church-visible in Gods solemn Worship Therefore Answ 1. By the Church-visible he must understand a particular instituted Church for with the Universal-Church-Visible of which some talk as such I cannot have Communion in the celebration of Ordinances of the appointment of Christ by Goâ—'s solemn Worship Worship appointed instituted by him to be managed and performed according to his will for otherwise it is not his Worship Iâ— which sense we grant his Major Communion with the Church-visible i. e. a particular instituted Church of Christ in Gods solemn Worship i. e. Worship of his own appointment celebrated in his own way is an essential part of the sanctification of the Sabbath an indispensible duty with this limitation when and where there is any such Church with whom I may meet But then the Minor is most notoriously false and untrue because the Church of England is no such particular instituted Church as we have proved the Worship celebrated by her is not Worship of the appointment of God managed in his own way but of mans devising performed by Antichristian Officers as we have demonstrated We say further in S. T. 2dly You need not sit at home idle you may soon hear of some or other of the Assemblies of the Saints whither you may repair to wait upon the Lord with them Mr. T. is mistaken that such Assemblies as these are not in many places to be found Through the grace of the Lord 't is for the most part far otherwise than he intimates We add 3dly Were it or should it be otherwise yet better be idle than do worse better do nothing than sin against God encourage others in their evil deeds Which he confesseth to be true upon supposition that publick hearing is a sin 't were better be idle than do that Whether we have manifested it to be so let the indifferent Reader judge We add 4thly There is no necessity of being idle if thou knowest not where to hear on that day If thou hast a sight of thy interest in God thou mayst spend thy time in admiring magnifying the rich love of the Lord to thee if not in getting thy interest cleared up unto thee in studying thine own heart getting sin mortified grace quickened strengthened reaching after