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A14450 A learned and excellent treatise containing all the principall grounds of Christian religion Set downe by way of conference in a most plaine and familiar manner. Written first in French by maister Mathew Virell, after translated into Latine: and now turned into English for the vse of our country-men.; Religion chrestienne declarée par dialogue. English Virel, Matthieu.; Egerton, Stephen, 1555?-1621? 1594 (1594) STC 24768; ESTC S119631 209,162 292

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be forbidden namely 1 Worshipping of creatures and 2 Superstition Theoph. What cause hast thou to say that these two euils be forbidden in this commandement Mat. Because they be of the same kind with idolatrie for they tend hereunto to declare by the outward gesture of the bodie the worship which they thinke they giue vnto God Whereupon it is that these two be called by the name of idolatrie Theoph. Right For both the worshippers of creatures and superstitious persons haue accustomably bin called idolaters as well as the worshippers of idols Mat. And verily they be ioyned together by a most neare bond for idolatrie alwayes accompanieth the worshipping of creatures and bringeth forth sundrie superstitions Theoph. Of the adoratiō of creatures Let vs speake of these two euils What vnderstandest thou by the adoration of creatures Mat. The religous worship which is giuē vnto them Theoph. Why so Mat. Because adoration belōgeth onely vnto God whereof the Scripture it selfe is a plentifull witnesse Whereupon it followeth that we can bestow neuer so litle of it vpon any creature whether it be visible or inuisible of what condition soeuer but we do take from and diminish the worship due to the creator Therfore the Angell sayd vnto Iohn Apo. 19. 10 which had fallen downe at his feete to worship him See thou do it not I am thy fellow seruant one of thy brethren Worship God Theoph. But doest thou comprehend vnder that prohibition the worship reuerence which is vsually giuen to men that be aliue Mat Not so verily so as it be onely ciuill for if there be neuer so litle affectiō mingled tending toward Religion it is corrupt and displeaseth God For this cause Peter refused the reuerēce done to him by Cornelius Act. 10. 26. for the holy Apostle perceiued that that reuerence was not meerely ciuill but had mixed with it somwhat of Religiō Now if it be vnlawful to worship Saints yea the very Angels themselues how much more vnlawful is it to worship their images reliques the crosse of Christ the likenesse of it and such like Theoph. Let vs come to superstition what meanest thou by this word Mat. Is it called superstition when any worshippeth God by rites or ceremonies deuised of men Of this sort are 1 To weare a certaine kind of apparell for Religion sake 2 To hold difference of place in worshipping of God 3 To obserue dayes and times for that purpose 4 To make a difference of meates 5 To abstaine from mariage and such other inuentions of men whereof Paule thus speaketh Col. 2. 23. which things haue indeed a shew of wisedome in voluntarie Religion and humblenesse of mind and in not sparing of the bodie yet they are not any thing worth Yea rather they are to the contempt of God and hinder our saluation Theoph. How are they to the contempt of God Matth. Because he preferreth obedience before sacrifice and will be worshipped not after the inuentions of men but according to his owne will which he hath therefore made knowne vnto vs. Therefore Christ sayd to the Scribes and Pharisies Mat. 15. 9. They worship me in vayne teaching doctrines that be the commandements of men Moreouer superstitions bring in the contempt of Gods commandements and of that worship which he requireth of vs to be performed vnto him which experience doth plentifully proue Theoph. But how do superstitiōs hinder our saluatiō Mat. Because superstitious persons imagine that they merite somwhat by them which thought turneth men from Christ and therefore from their owne saluation For that cause Paule calleth the forbidding of meats and of mariage 1. Tim. 4. the doctrine of deuils It is therfore a great deale better to go on slowly in the wayes of the Lord then to runne a pase in the way of superstiton which who soeuer hath entred into the further he goeth forward the further he goeth from God and therefore from eternall life Theoph. Now do I vnderstand what superstition is I demaund why seeing there be three euils by the which the worship of God is defiled Idolatrie onely is shortly touched in this commandement Mat. It is according to our second rule namely that God when he meaneth to forbid many sinnes of the same kind forbiddeth them all vnder the name of one and that the greatest such a one as idolatrie is Theoph. Why thinkest thou idolatrie to be a greater sin then the worshipping of creatures or superstition Matth. The reason in my iudgement is most plaine For although a man be mad already when he forsaketh God for some excellent gifts wherewith any creature hath beene adorned of God and worshippeth that creature yet then he may be sayd to be striken through with rage and furie when he worshippeth an sdoll made by the industrie and helpe of man Therfore the Scripture describing that vanitie calleth Idols the works of mens hands and presently after addeth They haue a mouth and speake Psal 115. 4. not they haue eyes and see not they haue eares and heare not they haue noses and smell not they haue hands and handle not they haue feete and walke not and finally that they be dead In which words he signifieth that men be altogether out of their wits which worship the worke of mans hands an Image dumbe blind deafe that perceiueth nothing and is voyde of all the sences and therefore inferior to his maker and worshipper which appeareth euen by this that neither of them would be like their Idoll Theoph. Against worshipping of Idols But the worshippers of Images will not graunt thee that thou sayest namely that they worship the Images much lesse take them for Gods For they say they be not so voyde of reason but they know they be either of wood or stones or of painting But rather they affirme boldly and constantly that all the worship is done by them in the honour of God or of the Saints whereof they be Images Mat. What although we should graunt them all that they say were not this extreme madnesse that they will worship God by doing the thinges that bee directly forbidden of him Which also hee affirmeth to be despight against him But howsoeuer they denie it it is so For when they preferre one Idoll before another and for religions sake take vppon them long pilgrimages to salute such an Image do mumble their praiers before them euen as for that purpose they haue manie Images with them it is clearer then the light that they thinke there is in them some diuine power And therefore they bee conuinced that those Images be taken of them for Gods Whereupon the Idolaters of that time are most sharpely reproued by Esay although they euen then sought the same Isa 44. 7. shifts So is the Deuill wont to bewitch all those that receiue Idols for religions sake for at the beginning indeede he perswadeth them that they bee receiued that God may bee worshipped in them but by little and little