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argumentum_fw-la to_o draw_v one_o to_o a_o inconvenience_n be_v not_o to_o solve_v the_o argument_n endeavour_v to_o answer_v my_o instance_n abstract_v from_o my_o grant_n but_o let_v we_o set_v aside_o say_v he_o 36_o he_o nu_fw-la 13._o pag._n 36_o widdrington_n grant_v and_o consider_v how_o probable_a be_v the_o instance_n that_o he_o make_v against_o i_o by_o this_o argument_n consider_v in_o itself_o and_o compare_v with_o i_o the_o accessory_a say_v he_o follow_v the_o principal_a and_o therefore_o he_o who_o be_v lord_n of_o all_o horse_n be_v lord_n of_o all_o bridle_n which_o no_o doubt_n be_v true_a if_o he_o speak_v of_o such_o a_o one_o as_o have_v a_o supreme_a dominion_n or_o power_n as_o i_o do_v in_o my_o argument_n when_o i_o speak_v of_o the_o pope_n who_o be_v supreme_a head_n of_o the_o church_n and_o in_o that_o respect_n have_v the_o direct_a charge_n of_o man_n soul_n have_v also_o indirect_o the_o care_n and_o charge_n of_o whatsoever_o be_v accessory_a to_o the_o soul_n and_o subordinate_a thereto_o so_o far_o forth_o i_o mean_v as_o be_v requisite_a for_o the_o good_a of_o soul_n as_o also_o in_o like_a manner_n a_o supreme_a temporal_a prince_n albeit_o he_o be_v not_o direct_o the_o lord_n of_o all_o horse_n and_o bridle_n in_o his_o kingdom_n or_o state_n yet_o have_v direct_o the_o charge_n and_o care_n of_o the_o whole_a common_a wealth_n he_o may_v dispose_v not_o only_o of_o all_o the_o horse_n but_o also_o of_o all_o the_o bridle_n in_o the_o commonwealth_n when_o it_o shall_v undoubted_o be_v convenient_a and_o necessary_a for_o the_o public_a good_a thereof_o 58_o true_a it_o be_v that_o this_o consequence_n the_o accessory_a or_o consequent_a do_v necessary_o follow_v the_o principal_a or_o antecedent_n therefore_o a_o supreme_a temporal_a prince_n who_o be_v lord_n of_o all_o horse_n be_v also_o lord_n of_o all_o bridle_n or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o who_o may_v for_o the_o common_a good_a dispose_n of_o all_o the_o horse_n in_o his_o kingdom_n may_v also_o for_o the_o same_o good_a dispose_n of_o all_o the_o bridle_n be_v a_o true_a and_o good_a consequence_n but_o not_o for_o that_o a_o bridle_n be_v accessory_a or_o necessary_o annex_v and_o consequent_a to_o a_o horse_n as_o my_o adversary_n affirm_v for_o than_o it_o must_v be_v true_a not_o only_o in_o a_o prince_n but_o also_o in_o all_o other_o man_n who_o have_v power_n to_o dispose_v of_o the_o principal_a and_o moreover_o this_o consequence_n will_v also_o be_v good_a the_o accessory_n follow_v the_o principal_a therefore_o a_o supreme_a temporal_a prince_n who_o buy_v all_o horse_n which_o according_a to_o my_o adversary_n doctrine_n be_v the_o principal_a must_v consequent_o buy_v all_o bridle_n which_o be_v the_o accessory_n but_o the_o aforesaid_a consequence_n be_v therefore_o good_a for_o that_o to_o be_v a_o supreme_a temporal_a lord_n of_o all_o bridle_n be_v accessory_n or_o consequent_a to_o be_v a_o supreme_a temporal_a lord_n of_o all_o horse_n which_o be_v the_o more_o noble_a principal_a or_o antecedent_n and_o so_o the_o power_n in_o a_o temporal_a prince_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o horse_n be_v necessary_o connect_v with_o his_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o bridle_n 59_o wherefore_o according_a to_o my_o opinion_n who_o do_v not_o make_v bridle_n to_o be_v accessary_a to_o horse_n in_o that_o sense_n as_o accessary_a be_v take_v in_o that_o maxim_n but_o a_o supreme_a power_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o bridle_n to_o be_v accessary_a or_o consequent_a to_o a_o supreme_a power_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o horse_n for_o that_o a_o supreme_a power_n to_o dispose_v both_o of_o horse_n and_o bridle_n be_v necessary_o include_v in_o a_o supreme_a power_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o temporal_a thing_n as_o a_o part_n in_o the_o whole_a the_o aforesaid_a argument_n speak_v of_o a_o supreme_a temporal_a prince_n be_v good_a not_o only_o vi_o consequentis_fw-la to_o use_v the_o term_n of_o logician_n by_o virtue_n of_o the_o consequent_a but_o also_o vi_fw-la consequentiae_fw-la by_o virtue_n of_o the_o consequence_n or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o not_o only_o the_o consequent_a be_v true_a but_o also_o the_o consequence_n be_v good_a but_o he_o that_o will_v grant_v the_o argument_n to_o be_v good_a in_o regard_n that_o bridle_n be_v accessory_a to_o horse_n as_o my_o adversary_n do_v he_o can_v not_o maintain_v that_o argument_n to_o be_v good_a in_o a_o supreme_a temporal_a prince_n by_o virtue_n of_o the_o consequence_n or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o by_o virtue_n of_o that_o maxim_n the_o accessory_n follow_v the_o principal_a but_o by_o virtue_n of_o a_o other_o maxim_n which_o be_v that_o every_o part_n be_v contain_v in_o the_o whole_a and_o therefore_o a_o temporal_a prince_n who_o for_o the_o common_a temporal_a good_a have_v power_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o temporal_a thing_n have_v power_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o horse_n bridle_n and_o all_o other_o temporal_a thing_n 60_o now_o although_o i_o do_v grant_v this_o consequence_n in_o the_o pope_n that_o because_o the_o accessary_n or_o consequent_a do_v follow_v the_o principal_a or_o antecedent_n therefore_o the_o pope_n have_v power_n to_o command_v spiritual_n have_v also_o power_n to_o command_v temporal_n in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a not_o for_o that_o temporal_n be_v accessary_a or_o consequent_a to_o spiritual_n in_o that_o sense_n as_o accessary_n and_o consequent_a be_v take_v in_o that_o maxim_n but_o for_o that_o a_o power_n in_o the_o pope_n to_o command_v temporal_n in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a be_v by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n accessary_a and_o consequent_a to_o his_o power_n of_o command_a spiritual_n yet_o i_o utter_o deny_v this_o consequence_n the_o accessary_n follow_v the_o principal_a therefore_o the_o pope_n have_v power_n to_o command_v and_o to_o dispose_v of_o spiritual_n or_o
plain_o convince_v both_o by_o his_o own_o principle_n and_o also_o by_o his_o own_o author_n and_o diverse_a other_o that_o this_o translation_n be_v not_o do_v by_o the_o authority_n only_o of_o the_o pope_n as_o he_o pretend_v to_o prove_v in_o that_o his_o book_n of_o the_o translation_n but_o also_o of_o the_o people_n he_o be_v engage_v for_o the_o save_n of_o his_o credit_n to_o have_v in_o some_o sort_n confute_v my_o answer_n but_o to_o pass_v it_o over_o cunning_o with_o a_o dilemma_n not_o belong_v to_o the_o principal_a question_n and_o which_o be_v also_o full_o satisfy_v by_o i_o in_o that_o place_n without_o set_v down_o any_o one_o word_n of_o my_o answer_n and_o so_o omit_v contrary_a to_o his_o accustom_a manner_n above_o twenty_o page_n of_o my_o text_n together_o do_v argue_v no_o good_a and_o sincere_a proceed_n and_o last_o it_o be_v also_o manifest_a what_o the_o reader_n may_v think_v of_o my_o adversary_n sincerity_n who_o in_o this_o place_n do_v so_o bare_o and_o naked_o repeat_v again_o this_o argument_n without_o take_v any_o notice_n of_o the_o answer_n which_o in_o my_o apology_n i_o give_v to_o the_o same_o 50_o but_o the_o empire_n of_o the_o west_n say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 47_o fitzherbert_n nu._n 13._o p._n 47_o be_v acknowledge_v by_o the_o greek_a emperor_n themselves_o to_o be_v the_o pope_n gift_n and_o therefore_o emanuel_n commenus_n 848._o commenus_n blond_n dec_fw-la 2._o l._n 5._o platina_n in_o alex._n 3._o nauclerus_fw-la generate_fw-la 39_o pag._n 848._o emperor_n of_o constantinople_n in_o the_o time_n of_o fridereke_n the_o first_o understand_v of_o the_o dissension_n betwixt_o he_o and_o pope_n alexander_n the_o three_o send_v ambassador_n to_o the_o pope_n and_o offer_v he_o not_o only_o a_o great_a army_n with_o great_a sum_n of_o money_n but_o also_o to_o reunite_v the_o greek_a church_n with_o the_o latin_a if_o he_o will_v restore_v that_o empire_n of_o the_o west_n to_o the_o emperor_n of_o constantinople_n 51_o but_o neither_o emanuel_n commenus_n nor_o any_o other_o greek_a emperor_n although_o from_o the_o particular_a fact_n of_o some_o one_o emperor_n especial_o who_o be_v desirous_a to_o enlarge_v his_o empire_n no_o good_a argument_n can_v be_v draw_v to_o prove_v a_o right_a do_v acknowledge_v the_o empire_n of_o the_o west_n to_o be_v the_o pope_n gift_n in_o any_o other_o manner_n than_o they_o have_v read_v or_o hear_v from_o historiographer_n to_o wit_n that_o the_o pope_n be_v indeed_o the_o chief_a and_o principal_a but_o not_o the_o only_a author_n of_o that_o translation_n and_o therefore_o blondus_n one_o of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n own_o author_n do_v well_o affirm_v it_o to_o be_v manifest_a principle_n blond_n decad_a 1._o l._n 3._o in_o principle_n that_o the_o first_o translation_n of_o the_o roman_a empire_n from_o the_o constantinopolitan_o to_o the_o french_a prince_n be_v do_v by_o the_o authority_n and_o consent_n not_o only_o of_o the_o pope_n clergy_n &_o people_n of_o rome_n but_o also_o by_o the_o suffrage_n of_o the_o people_n and_o principal_a man_n of_o all_o italy_n neither_o do_v emanuel_n commenus_n desire_n of_o pope_n alexander_n the_o three_o that_o he_o alone_o without_o the_o consent_n and_o suffrage_n of_o the_o prince_n and_o people_n will_v restore_v the_o empire_n of_o the_o west_n to_o the_o emperor_n of_o constantinople_n but_o that_o he_o will_v be_v a_o mean_n that_o it_o may_v be_v restore_v or_o translate_v to_o they_o again_o as_o he_o be_v a_o chief_a mean_n and_o principal_a author_n that_o it_o be_v translate_v from_o the_o grecian_n to_o the_o french_a 52_o in_o like_a manner_n say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 47._o fitzherbert_n nu._n 13._o p._n 47._o the_o second_o translation_n of_o the_o west_n empire_n from_o the_o french_a that_o be_v to_o say_v from_o the_o family_n of_o charles_n the_o great_a unto_o the_o german_n be_v make_v especial_o by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a 3_o bell._n l._n 2._o c._n 2._o &_o 3_o as_o card._n bellarmine_n proove_v clear_o in_o his_o treatise_n of_o the_o translation_n of_o the_o empire_n if_o my_o adversary_n have_v say_v only_o by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a he_o have_v speak_v to_o the_o purpose_n but_o that_o word_n especial_o clean_o overthrow_v his_o argument_n for_o i_o will_v not_o contend_v with_o he_o at_o this_o present_a whether_o it_o be_v do_v especial_o by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a in_o that_o manner_n as_o i_o grant_v before_o that_o the_o first_o translation_n from_o the_o grecian_n to_o the_o french_a be_v do_v especial_o chief_o or_o principal_o by_o the_o pope_n authority_n but_o that_o either_o the_o first_o or_o second_o translation_n be_v do_v only_o by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a and_o not_o also_o of_o the_o people_n this_o i_o utter_o deny_v neither_o have_v card._n bellarmine_n in_o the_o aforesaid_a treatise_n by_o any_o one_o sufficient_a argument_n prove_v or_o be_v able_a to_o prove_v the_o same_o 53_o we_o read_v also_o say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n that_o clodoveus_fw-la 12._o clodoveus_fw-la papyrius_n maso_n in_o vita_fw-la henrici_fw-la primi_fw-la see_v bozius_n de_fw-fr signis_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la lib._n 10._o cap._n 12._o the_o first_o christian_a king_n of_o france_n be_v desirous_a after_o his_o baptism_n to_o make_v good_a and_o establish_v his_o right_n and_o title_n to_o that_o kingdom_n profess_v to_o receive_v the_o same_o from_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o archbishop_n of_o rheims_n by_o authority_n and_o commission_n of_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a but_o true_o it_o be_v strange_a to_o see_v what_o strange_a argument_n and_o void_a of_o all_o probability_n my_o adversary_n dare_v bring_v for_o proof_n of_o so_o great_a a_o matter_n as_o be_v the_o give_v take_v away_o translate_n of_o kingdom_n and_o empire_n for_o what_o historiographer_n ever_o write_v that_o clodoveus_fw-la the_o first_o christian_a king_n of_o france_n have_v no_o good_a right_n and_o title_n to_o his_o kingdom_n before_o he_o become_v christian_a or_o that_o he_o receive_v his_o title_n right_a and_o authority_n to_o reign_v from_o s._n remigius_n by_o commission_n of_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a and_o that_o he_o himself_o profess_v as_o much_o or_o that_o it_o belong_v to_o the_o archbishop_n of_o rheims_n to_o choose_v the_o king_n of_o france_n if_o we_o will_v speak_v proper_o of_o choose_v as_o though_o the_o king_n of_o france_n be_v king_n by_o election_n and_o not_o by_o hereditatie_a succession_n or_o that_o the_o right_a and_o title_n which_o the_o king_n of_o france_n have_v to_o their_o kingdom_n depend_v upon_o the_o election_n of_o the_o archbishop_n of_o rheims_n or_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a if_o my_o adversary_n be_v in_o france_n and_o will_v affirm_v thus_o much_o i_o fear_v i_o he_o will_v be_v glad_a to_o recant_v his_o doctrine_n in_o this_o point_n or_o to_o interpret_v his_o word_n in_o a_o 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say_v he_o 7_o he_o pag._n 72._o nu_fw-la 7_o concern_v the_o power_n and_o authority_n of_o the_o high_a priest_n in_o temporal_a thing_n that_o whereas_o both_o the_o dignity_n spiritual_a and_o temporal_a be_v sometime_o in_o one_o person_n as_o in_o moses_n heli_n and_o the_o maccabee_n and_o sometime_o disjoin_v in_o distinct_a and_o several_a person_n as_o in_o the_o time_n of_o josue_n the_o judge_n and_o the_o king_n it_o be_v manifest_a that_o when_o they_o be_v sever_v the_o spiritual_a be_v always_o superior_a as_o it_o may_v appear_v by_o the_o commandment_n of_o almighty_a god_n to_o moses_n when_o he_o bid_v h_z m_z take_v josue_n 17._o num._n 17._o and_o lay_v his_o hand_n upon_o he_o before_o eleazar_n the_o priest_n and_o all_o the_o multitude_n and_o give_v he_o part_v of_o his_o glory_n and_o that_o eleazar_n shall_v consult_v with_o god_n all_o the_o affair_n of_o josue_n conclude_v ad_fw-la verbum_fw-la illius_fw-la egredietur_fw-la etc._n etc._n according_a to_o 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nor_o a_o levite_n but_o of_o the_o tribe_n of_o ephraim_n as_o it_o appear_v num._n cap._n 13._o and_o he_o do_v command_v not_o only_o the_o inferior_a priest_n of_o who_o it_o be_v speak_v in_o this_o place_n but_o also_o the_o high_a priest_n as_o it_o appear_v num._n 27._o where_o it_o be_v say_v for_o he_o if_o any_o thing_n be_v to_o be_v do_v eleazar_n the_o priest_n shall_v consult_v the_o lord_n at_o his_o word_n to_o wit_n at_o the_o word_n of_o josue_n shall_v he_o to_o wit_n eleazar_n and_o all_o the_o child_n of_o israel_n go_v out_o and_o shall_v go_v in_o and_o the_o cause_n hereof_o be_v this_o for_o that_o in_o the_o old_a testament_n the_o secular_a and_o ecclesiastical_a or_o the_o priestly_a and_o regal_a jurisdiction_n be_v not_o distinct_a as_o they_o be_v now_o although_o the_o office_n of_o the_o priest_n and_o levite_n be_v altogether_o distinct_a from_o the_o action_n aboperibus_fw-la action_n aboperibus_fw-la of_o the_o lay_v man_n whereupon_o the_o priest_n when_o they_o offend_v may_v be_v put_v to_o death_n by_o the_o king_n as_o the_o lay_v man_n may_v etc._n etc._n 27_o but_o some_o will_v say_v say_v the_o same_o abulensis_n josue_n abulensis_n q._n 2._o in_o cap._n 14._o josue_n that_o the_o state_n of_o eleazar_n be_v more_o honourable_a because_o he_o be_v the_o high_a priest_n and_o josue_n be_v the_o prince_n of_o the_o people_n but_o the_o state_n of_o priest_n be_v great_a than_o the_o state_n of_o lay_v man_n as_o the_o pope_n be_v more_o excellent_a than_o the_o emperor_n or_o king_n but_o it_o be_v to_o be_v answer_v that_o this_o be_v false_a for_o the_o state_n of_o priest_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n be_v not_o more_o excellent_a than_o the_o state_n of_o king_n but_o the_o priest_n be_v judge_v by_o king_n and_o not_o only_o concern_v king_n but_o also_o josue_n who_o be_v no_o king_n be_v great_a than_o the_o high_a priest_n as_o it_o appear_v num._n cap._n 27._o where_o it_o be_v say_v that_o eleazar_n the_o high_a 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understand_v those_o word_n of_o holy_a scripture_n ad_fw-la verbum_fw-la eius_fw-la etc._n etc._n at_o his_o word_n he_o shall_v go_v out_o and_o shall_v go_v in_o in_o the_o clean_a contrary_a sense_n then_o wherein_o mr._n fitzherbert_n do_v expound_v they_o and_o yet_o forsooth_o it_o be_v manifest_a out_o of_o this_o place_n say_v he_o that_o when_o the_o dignity_n spiritual_a and_o temporal_a be_v disjoin_v in_o distinct_a and_o several_a person_n as_o in_o the_o time_n of_o josue_n the_o spiritual_a be_v always_o superior_a but_o second_o i_o will_v go_v far_o with_o mr._n fitzherbert_n and_o grant_v he_o only_o for_o disputation_n sake_n that_o those_o word_n be_v so_o to_o be_v understand_v that_o at_o the_o word_n of_o eleazar_n josue_n
raise_v 58_o another_o slander_n not_o much_o unlike_a to_o the_o former_a do_v this_o doctor_n unconscionable_o impose_v upon_o i_o in_o his_o word_n immediate_o follow_v near_o also_o or_o adjoin_v to_o his_o say_v this_o doctor_n 563._o doctor_n pag._n 563._o be_v that_o which_o widdrington_n teach_v in_o the_o number_n 460._o that_o the_o pope_n in_o his_o opinion_n then_o subject_a to_o the_o emperor_n and_o as_o subject_a might_n and_o real_o do_v with_o the_o tacit_a ere_fw-we express_v consent_n of_o the_o people_n of_o rome_n lawful_o and_o with_o validity_n take_v away_o the_o empire_n of_o the_o west_n from_o the_o emperor_n of_o constantinople_n and_o transfer_v it_o to_o charles_n the_o great_a for_o how_o little_o a_o part_n of_o the_o empire_n be_v then_o the_o people_n of_o rome_n or_o what_o power_n have_v they_o in_o the_o election_n of_o the_o emperor_n from_o this_o therefore_o it_o do_v evident_o and_o necessary_o follow_v that_o every_o subject_n with_o the_o 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consuetudine_fw-la recti_fw-la feudi_fw-la lib._n 2._o de_fw-la feudis_fw-la tit_n 33._o and_o in_o this_o sense_n the_o gloss_n do_v understand_v the_o word_n institution_n to_o wit_n for_o invest_v installing_n or_o put_v joas_n into_o possession_n of_o his_o kingdom_n or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o make_v he_o king_n de_fw-fr facto_fw-la for_o it_o be_v too_o too_o manifest_a that_o he_o be_v before_o the_o rightful_a heir_n and_o king_n by_o succession_n and_o not_o then_o make_v or_o institute_v the_o rightful_a heir_n by_o the_o election_n of_o joiada_n and_o of_o prince_n 77_o wherefore_o the_o last_o inference_n which_o this_o doctor_n make_v in_o these_o word_n therefore_o joiada_n do_v institute_v the_o king_n and_o depose_v the_o queen_n etc._n etc._n be_v very_o true_a if_o he_o mean_v that_o he_o do_v constitute_v the_o king_n de_fw-fr facto_fw-la or_o put_v he_o in_o possession_n of_o
material_o of_o a_o equal_a or_o not_o inferior_a order_n and_o excellency_n than_o the_o thing_n figure_v so_o that_o formal_o as_o they_o be_v figure_n or_o in_o that_o they_o be_v figure_n they_o be_v less_o perfect_a and_o excellent_a then_o be_v the_o thing_n figure_v now_o this_o doctor_n do_v crafty_o take_v here_o figure_n and_o the_o thing_n figure_v not_o formal_o and_o according_a to_o that_o wherein_o they_o be_v figure_n but_o material_o for_o otherwise_o as_o you_o shall_v see_v he_o say_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n and_o to_o the_o confute_v of_o my_o answer_n for_o neither_o manna_n nor_o the_o paschall_n lamb_n be_v figure_n of_o the_o eucharist_n as_o the_o accident_n of_o the_o eucharist_n do_v concur_v to_o the_o nourish_a of_o the_o body_n but_o only_o as_o they_o be_v profitable_a to_o the_o nourish_a of_o the_o soul_n neither_o be_v corporal_a leprosy_n or_o the_o separation_n of_o leper_n from_o civil_a conversation_n a_o figure_n of_o spiritual_a leprosy_n 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be_v evident_a that_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n according_a to_o his_o own_o principle_n have_v not_o any_o way_n prove_v that_o because_o corporal_a leprosy_n and_o the_o punishment_n annex_v thereunto_o in_o the_o old_a law_n to_o wit_n the_o deprive_v of_o temporal_a kingdom_n jurisdiction_n or_o administration_n as_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n contend_v be_v a_o figure_n of_o spiritual_a leprosy_n and_o of_o the_o punishment_n annex_v thereunto_o in_o the_o new_a law_n therefore_o the_o same_o punishment_n to_o wit_n the_o deprive_v of_o temporal_a dominion_n jurisdiction_n or_o administration_n be_v figure_v by_o they_o and_o consequent_o may_v now_o by_o virtue_n of_o the_o figure_n be_v ordain_v against_o spiritual_a leper_n for_o this_o be_v not_o according_a to_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n doctrine_n to_o fulfil_v the_o figure_n and_o to_o put_v in_o place_n thereof_o something_o more_o excellent_a but_o to_o put_v that_o very_o same_o thing_n which_o the_o law_n in_o that_o figure_n 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authority_n or_o right_o to_o reign_v and_o not_o resign_v it_o over_o whole_o and_o full_o to_o his_o son_n joathan_n wherefore_o take_v those_o word_n he_o sit_v still_o in_o his_o throne_n in_o this_o sense_n that_o word_n still_o may_v be_v equivocal_a and_o of_o purpose_n thrust_v in_o by_o mr._n fitzherbert_n to_o signify_v that_o he_o offend_v for_o keep_v still_o his_o royal_a authority_n and_o right_a to_o reign_v whereas_o the_o word_n of_o s._n chrysostome_n only_o be_v that_o he_o sit_v in_o his_o throne_n break_v again_o the_o law_n of_o god_n not_o for_o that_o he_o break_v again_o the_o law_n of_o god_n because_o he_o sit_v in_o his_o throne_n or_o which_o i_o take_v for_o all_o one_o keep_v still_o his_o royal_a authority_n and_o right_a to_o reign_v although_o his_o son_n joathan_n do_v govern_v the_o kingdom_n in_o his_o name_n and_o by_o his_o authority_n and_o as_o his_o deputy_n lieutenant_n or_o viceroy_n but_o for_o that_o he_o depart_v not_o our_o of_o the_o city_n as_o s._n chrysostome_n himself_o express_o declare_v but_o if_o mr._n fitzherbert_n will_v have_v s._n chrysostome_n to_o take_v that_o word_n throne_n for_o the_o material_a royal_a seat_n or_o chair_n of_o estate_n which_o remain_v in_o the_o city_n for_o so_o also_o the_o latin_a word_n may_v be_v english_v than_o this_o sense_n be_v in_o effect_n all_o one_o with_o the_o first_o which_o i_o contend_v to_o be_v chrysostom_n meaning_n to_o wit_n that_o ozias_n transgress_v the_o law_n again_o for_o remain_v in_o the_o city_n for_o leprosy_n do_v not_o debar_v he_o by_o the_o law_n from_o sit_v in_o a_o chair_n of_o estate_n out_o of_o the_o city_n or_o from_o any_o jot_n of_o his_o kingly_a right_n power_n or_o authority_n as_o i_o show_v before_o 171_o but_o last_o it_o be_v worth_a the_o note_n to_o observe_v how_o well_o forsooth_o mr._n fitzherbert_n agree_v with_o card._n bellarmine_n in_o urge_v this_o example_n of_o king_n ozias_n for_o card._n bellarmine_n contend_v that_o ozias_n be_v thrust_v out_o both_o of_o the_o city_n and_o also_o of_o his_o kingdom_n but_o this_o man_n labour_v to_o prove_v that_o according_a to_o s._n chrysostome_n he_o be_v neither_o cast_n out_o of_o his_o kingdom_n nor_o out_o of_o the_o city_n other_o with_o josephus_n affirm_v that_o he_o live_v in_o deed_n out_o of_o the_o city_n but_o withal_o that_o he_o still_o reign_v or_o remain_v king_n although_o joathan_n in_o his_o name_n and_o authority_n or_o as_o his_o deputy_n lieutenant_n or_o viceroy_n administer_v the_o kingdom_n nevertheless_o abulensis_n exodi_fw-la abulens_n q._n 29_o in_o cap._n 25._o exodi_fw-la although_o he_o great_o commend_v josephus_n as_o a_o most_o skilful_a historiographer_n of_o the_o jew_n of_o who_o also_o he_o write_v reg._n write_v q_o 9_o in_o cap._n 15._o lib._n 4._o reg._n that_o it_o be_v likely_a he_o know_v all_o the_o particular_a fact_n of_o those_o king_n yet_o he_o leave_v the_o opinion_n of_o josephus_n in_o this_o 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because_o otherwise_o wicked_a prince_n may_v without_o punishment_n nourish_v heretic_n and_o overthrow_v religion_n to_o this_o argument_n i_o answer_v in_o my_o apology_n seq_fw-la apolog._n 176._o &_o seq_fw-la grant_v to_o card._n bellarmine_n that_o every_o perfect_a and_o well_o institute_v commonwealth_n ought_v to_o have_v always_o sufficient_a authority_n for_o as_o much_o as_o concern_v the_o authority_n itself_o to_o the_o attain_n of_o her_o end_n although_o she_o have_v not_o always_o sufficient_a power_n force_n mean_n or_o ability_n actual_o to_o obtain_v the_o same_o and_o to_o remove_v all_o impediment_n which_o may_v hinder_v the_o same_o and_o so_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n be_v a_o perfect_a and_o well_o institute_v spiritual_a commonwealth_n have_v all_o sufficient_a spiritual_a authority_n forasmuch_o as_o concern_v the_o authority_n itself_o to_o the_o attain_n of_o her_o spiritual_a and_o which_o be_v the_o save_n of_o soul_n albeit_o she_o have_v not_o 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punishment_n nourish_v heretic_n and_o overthrow_v religion_n for_o the_o church_n by_o her_o spiritual_a authority_n may_v punish_v they_o grievous_o with_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n which_o punishment_n be_v so_o great_a and_o dreadful_a that_o of_o themselves_o they_o be_v able_a to_o terrify_v any_o christian_a prince_n and_o to_o withdraw_v he_o from_o evil_n but_o if_o some_o christian_a prince_n for_o want_v of_o due_a consideration_n be_v not_o terrify_v with_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n the_o spiritual_a authority_n of_o the_o church_n can_v inflict_v upon_o he_o any_o temporal_a or_o civil_a punishment_n for_o that_o the_o only_a and_o last_o punishment_n which_o the_o church_n or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o the_o spiritual_a pastor_n thereof_o by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n can_v inflict_v be_v excommunication_n or_o some_o such_o like_a spiritual_a censure_n or_o punishment_n thus_o i_o answer_v in_o my_o apology_n 23_o now_o d._n schulckenius_n to_o confute_v this_o my_o answer_n fly_v from_o card._n bellarmine_n reason_n ground_v upon_o the_o nature_n of_o every_o perfect_a and_o well_o institute_v commonwealth_n which_o reason_n i_o take_v upon_o i_o in_o that_o place_n to_o confute_v to_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n which_o be_v his_o common_a scar_n crow_n for_o when_o he_o can_v confute_v the_o answer_n which_o i_o give_v to_o any_o reason_n or_o authority_n bring_v by_o card._n bellarmine_n to_o prove_v the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n than_o his_o custom_n be_v to_o fly_v from_o that_o reason_n or_o authority_n to_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n as_o though_o that_o only_a decree_n of_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n of_o which_o card._n bellarmine_n in_o his_o controversy_n make_v no_o account_n at_o all_o be_v now_o a_o sufficient_a proof_n to_o make_v good_a all_o his_o other_o reason_n and_o authority_n which_o decree_n nevertheless_o he_o expound_v according_a to_o his_o 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it_o be_v not_o true_a that_o the_o chief_a bishop_n have_v any_o temporal_a authority_n even_o over_o the_o inferior_a priest_n as_o necessary_o due_a to_o he_o by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n but_o only_o from_o the_o free_a grant_n of_o the_o temporal_a commonwealth_n or_o the_o supreme_a governor_n thereof_o and_o therefore_o at_o sometime_o the_o chief_a bishop_n have_v great_a temporal_a authority_n as_o in_o the_o beginning_n when_o the_o roman_n be_v govern_v by_o king_n in_o who_o both_o regal_a and_o pontifical_a authority_n be_v conjoin_v and_o by_o who_o as_o be_v both_o king_n and_o chief_a bishop_n all_o matter_n as_o well_o concern_v state_n as_o religion_n be_v determine_v and_o execute_v at_o some_o time_n they_o have_v less_o as_o afterward_o 27._o alexand._n lib._n 3._o genial_a dier_z cap._n 3._o &_o sabellicus_n lib._n 2._o ennead_n 4._o alexand._n ibidem_fw-la &_o lib._n 1._o cap._n 27._o alexand._n lib._n 3._o cap._n 27._o when_o they_o have_v put_v down_o their_o king_n for_o that_o they_o begin_v to_o tyrannize_v over_o they_o and_o be_v govern_v by_o the_o senate_n and_o two_o consul_n who_o at_o the_o first_o be_v choose_v out_o of_o the_o nobility_n but_o afterward_o at_o the_o instance_n of_o the_o people_n the_o senate_n be_v force_v to_o grant_v that_o they_o may_v be_v choose_v also_o out_o of_o the_o commmunaltie_n which_o consul_n lest_o they_o shall_v challenge_v to_o themselves_o kingly_a authority_n can_v put_v no_o citizen_n to_o death_n without_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o people_n 32_o for_o to_o the_o end_n that_o the_o kingly_a name_n which_o be_v by_o the_o roman_n fortunate_o begin_v and_o for_o many_o year_n happy_o continue_v shall_v still_o remain_v and_o also_o that_o the_o priestly_a authority_n which_o the_o king_n have_v shall_v not_o be_v abolish_v they_o do_v create_v a_o king_n who_o they_o call_v rex_fw-la sacrorum_fw-la a_o king_n of_o sacred_a thing_n who_o have_v only_o the_o name_n of_o a_o king_n without_o regal_a authority_n and_o shall_v perform_v the_o sacred_a rite_n and_o ceremony_n belong_v to_o religion_n which_o the_o former_a king_n do_v perform_v which_o king_n of_o sacred_a thing_n by_o reason_n of_o the_o odious_a and_o suspect_a name_n and_o authorititie_n of_o a_o king_n can_v have_v no_o authority_n or_o command_n over_o the_o army_n and_o legion_n nor_o bear_v any_o office_n or_o have_v any_o temporal_a government_n over_o the_o people_n but_o his_o power_n and_o authority_n be_v limit_v to_o religion_n and_o contain_v only_o within_o the_o temple_n of_o the_o go_n and_o this_o king_n of_o sacred_a thing_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o chief_a bishop_n as_o all_o other_o priest_n be_v who_o as_o they_o be_v priest_n have_v only_o to_o intermeddle_v in_o sacred_a thing_n but_o afterward_o they_o have_v also_o great_a temporal_a authority_n grant_v they_o by_o the_o senate_n and_o people_n for_o the_o chief_a priest_n or_o bishop_n have_v not_o only_a power_n give_v they_o to_o punish_v with_o pecuniary_a mulct_n the_o inferior_a priest_n who_o shall_v disobey_v their_o command_n but_o also_o they_o be_v make_v consul_n captain_n and_o chief_a magistrate_n in_o the_o commonwealth_n but_o all_o this_o temporal_a authority_n of_o the_o religious_a priest_n do_v proceed_v from_o the_o free_a grant_n of_o the_o temporal_a commonwealth_n and_o not_o as_o necessary_o due_a to_o they_o by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n which_o those_o word_n of_o cicero_n cite_v by_o my_o adversary_n do_v only_o confirm_v to_o wit_n that_o it_o be_v notable_o and_o divine_o ordain_v that_o the_o bishop_n shall_v have_v a_o chief_a command_n in_o matter_n that_o appertain_v as_o well_o to_o the_o commonwealth_n as_o to_o the_o religion_n of_o the_o go_n 33_o but_o that_o the_o temporal_a magistrate_n say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n be_v command_v and_o correct_v he_o mean_v with_o temporal_a punishment_n as_o occasion_v require_v by_o the_o spiritual_a be_v the_o custom_n of_o the_o roman_n because_o no_o doubt_n they_o hold_v it_o to_o be_v most_o conform_a to_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n but_o first_o those_o word_n to_o be_v most_o conform_a to_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n be_v equivocal_a and_o may_v have_v a_o double_a signification_n for_o as_o every_o law_n for_o as_o much_o as_o concern_v the_o directive_a power_n or_o force_v thereof_o for_o the_o coercive_v power_n or_o force_v of_o every_o law_n consist_v mere_o in_o punish_v have_v one_o of_o these_o three_o effect_n to_o command_v to_o forbid_v to_o permit_v or_o grant_v some_o thing_n so_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n as_o it_o be_v directive_a may_v be_v take_v either_o as_o it_o command_v or_o as_o it_o forbid_v or_o as_o it_o permit_v or_o grant_v some_o thing_n if_o therefore_o my_o adversary_n meaning_n be_v to_o signify_v by_o those_o word_n that_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n command_v the_o spiritual_a magistrate_n or_o give_v he_o authority_n as_o he_o be_v a_o spiritual_a person_n to_o punish_v the_o temporal_a magistrate_n transgress_v his_o commandment_n with_o temporal_a punishment_n &_o that_o in_o this_o sense_n the_o custom_n of_o the_o roman_n be_v conform_v to_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n this_o i_o say_v be_v very_o untrue_a neither_o can_v he_o bring_v any_o colour_n of_o a_o probable_a proof_n to_o confirm_v the_o same_o nay_o which_o be_v more_o he_o can_v not_o prove_v as_o you_o shall_v see_v beneath_o that_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n give_v to_o religious_a priest_n as_o they_o be_v such_o authority_n to_o command_v in_o spiritual_n or_o to_o punish_v with_o spiritual_a punishment_n the_o supreme_a temporal_a magistrate_n for_o that_o stand_n in_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n there_o be_v no_o public_a spiritual_a authority_n which_o be_v not_o subject_a and_o subordinate_a to_o the_o temporal_a commonwealth_n and_o the_o supreme_a governor_n thereof_o 34_o but_o if_o he_o mean_v that_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n or_o the_o light_n and_o dictamen_fw-la of_o natural_a reason_n do_v not_o forbid_v but_o do_v permit_v that_o temporal_a prince_n or_o commonwealth_n may_v give_v authority_n to_o those_o religious_a priest_n who_o they_o shall_v appoint_v to_o be_v in_o their_o steed_n public_a minister_n of_o sacred_a rite_n to_o punish_v with_o temporal_a punishment_n those_o that_o shall_v contemn_v their_o just_a command_n and_o that_o in_o this_o sense_n the_o custom_n of_o the_o roman_n give_v authority_n to_o their_o religious_a priest_n to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n be_v conform_v that_o be_v be_v not_o repugnant_a to_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n but_o agreeable_a thereunto_o as_o a_o laudable_a and_o decent_a custom_n but_o not_o as_o necessary_o enjoin_v by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n this_o be_v very_o true_a but_o not_o to_o the_o purpose_n for_o that_o which_o my_o adversary_n pretend_v to_o prove_v be_v that_o religious_a priest_n have_v by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n and_o not_o only_o by_o the_o free_a grant_n of_o temporal_a prince_n or_o commonwealth_n authority_n to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n which_o nevertheless_o he_o will_v never_o be_v able_a to_o prove_v by_o any_o probable_a argument_n or_o any_o probable_a show_n thereof_o 35_o three_o therefore_o for_o the_o better_a clear_n of_o the_o whole_a matter_n the_o reader_n may_v observe_v out_o of_o learned_a abulensis_n seq_fw-la abulens_n in_o cap._n 13._o gen._n q._n 8._o 9_o &_o seq_fw-la that_o there_o be_v a_o great_a difference_n betwixt_o the_o priest_n of_o the_o old_a law_n &_o of_o the_o new_a &_o the_o priest_n that_o be_v in_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n for_o in_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n before_o the_o law_n of_o god_n be_v publish_v by_o moses_n we_o may_v consider_v every_o man_n either_o by_o himself_o or_o as_o he_o be_v a_o part_n of_o some_o community_n if_o he_o be_v consider_v by_o himself_o and_o as_o dwell_v alone_o in_o no_o society_n it_o be_v lawful_a
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he_o pag._n 101._o num_fw-la 12._o of_o my_o discourse_n in_o my_o supplement_n concern_v the_o law_n of_o nature_n whereby_o thou_o see_v good_a reader_n that_o i_o have_v sufficient_o show_v two_o thing_n the_o one_o that_o according_a to_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n the_o temporal_a state_n and_o power_n be_v subordinate_a and_o subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a when_o they_o be_v conjoin_v in_o one_o body_n no_o less_o than_o the_o family_n be_v subordinate_a and_o subject_a to_o the_o commonwealth_n in_o like_a case_n because_o the_o end_n of_o the_o temporal_a power_n be_v subordinate_a to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o spiritual_a power_n which_o overthrow_v my_o adversary_n false_a principle_n to_o wit_n that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a and_o civil_a society_n be_v so_o distinct_a in_o nature_n and_o office_n that_o though_o they_o be_v join_v together_o yet_o they_o have_v no_o dependence_n the_o one_o of_o the_o other_o upon_o which_o false_a ground_n and_o vain_a supposition_n often_o affirm_v by_o barclay_n and_o he_o and_o never_o prove_v by_o either_o of_o they_o they_o find_v all_o their_o false_a doctrine_n 45_o but_o how_o untrue_a this_o be_v i_o have_v already_o show_v for_o in_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n the_o temporal_a state_n and_o power_n be_v not_o subject_a and_o subordinate_a to_o the_o spiritual_a or_o religious_a except_o only_o in_o excellency_n and_o nobility_n whereof_o there_o be_v no_o question_n but_o contrariwise_o the_o priest_n of_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n be_v subject_a in_o spiritual_a and_o religious_a affair_n to_o the_o supreme_a civil_a governor_n when_o they_o be_v distinct_a person_n neither_o do_v they_o make_v two_o distinct_a commonwealth_n as_o they_o do_v in_o the_o law_n write_v but_o the_o civil_a commonwealth_n have_v authority_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o matter_n as_o well_o concern_v religion_n as_o state_n and_o not_o only_o to_o make_v priest_n and_o to_o give_v they_o priestly_a power_n but_o also_o to_o increase_v diminish_v alter_v or_o to_o take_v away_o from_o they_o their_o priestly_a authority_n and_o to_o determine_v of_o all_o thing_n both_o temporal_a and_o spiritual_a which_o be_v not_o so_o in_o the_o law_n write_v wherein_o priest_n have_v their_o authority_n from_o the_o positive_a institution_n and_o law_n of_o god_n himself_o 46_o true_a it_o be_v that_o the_o heathen_a commonwealth_n give_v great_a authority_n privilege_n and_o exemption_n to_o those_o person_n who_o they_o choose_v and_o appoint_v to_o be_v their_o priest_n especial_o to_o the_o chief_a priest_n or_o bishop_n whereof_o read_v alexander_n lib._n 2._o cap._n 8._o and_o lib._n 3._o cap._n 27._o to_o who_o the_o roman_n give_v such_o great_a honour_n that_o they_o do_v esteem_v he_o next_o to_o the_o king_n or_o supreme_a temporal_a prince_n and_o give_v he_o authority_n to_o command_v and_o also_o to_o punish_v the_o king_n of_o sacred_a rite_n and_o all_o the_o other_o inferior_a priest_n yea_o even_o to_o vestal_a virgin_n who_o be_v priest_n of_o the_o goddess_n vesta_n such_o honour_n be_v give_v by_o the_o roman_n that_o if_o by_o chance_n they_o shall_v meet_v any_o malefactor_n that_o be_v lead_v to_o death_n he_o shall_v not_o for_o that_o time_n be_v put_v to_o death_n 12._o plutarch_n in_o numa_n alex._n lib._n 5._o cap._n 12._o upon_o condition_n that_o the_o virgin_n must_v swear_v that_o her_o meeting_n of_o he_o be_v casual_a and_o not_o of_o purpose_n but_o from_o hence_o it_o can_v be_v gather_v that_o the_o religious_a priest_n have_v by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n such_o authority_n privilege_n and_o prerogative_n but_o only_o that_o the_o commonwealth_n in_o honour_n of_o religion_n do_v grant_v they_o such_o temporal_a honour_n and_o authority_n and_o will_v have_v they_o to_o be_v obey_v in_o some_o matter_n of_o great_a moment_n under_o pain_n of_o death_n 47_o now_o in_o the_o new_a law_n in_o what_o manner_n the_o temporal_a commonwealth_n or_o rather_o those_o person_n who_o be_v part_n and_o member_n thereof_o be_v subject_a to_o spiritual_a pastor_n i_o have_v at_o large_a declare_v above_o in_o the_o second_o part_n where_o i_o have_v sufficient_o prove_v out_o of_o card._n bellarmine_n own_o ground_n that_o the_o conjunction_n of_o temporal_a power_n and_o of_o spiritual_a subjection_n in_o the_o same_o christian_a man_n be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o make_v the_o temporal_a and_o spiritual_a commonwealth_n among_o christian_n one_o total_a body_n or_o commonwealth_n whereof_o the_o pope_n be_v the_o supreme_a visible_a head_n for_o then_o the_o pope_n must_v be_v both_o a_o temporal_a and_o spiritual_a monarch_n of_o all_o christendom_n and_o christian_n and_o that_o although_o they_o shall_v make_v one_o total_a body_n or_o commonwealth_n whereof_o christ_n only_o be_v the_o head_n in_o that_o manner_n as_o i_o there_o declare_v yet_o from_o thence_o it_o can_v not_o be_v conclude_v that_o the_o temporal_a power_n or_o commonwealth_n be_v per_fw-la se_fw-la and_o natural_o subject_a and_o subordinate_a to_o the_o spiritual_a power_n or_o commonwealth_n but_o only_o that_o christian_a prince_n not_o as_o they_o have_v temporal_a power_n but_o as_o be_v member_n of_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n they_o have_v spiritual_a subjection_n and_o consequent_o in_o spirituall_n and_o not_o in_o temporall_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a power_n or_o commonwealth_n and_o the_o spiritual_a pastor_n thereof_o and_o there_o also_o i_o answer_v all_o the_o argument_n which_o d._n schulckenius_n bring_v to_o prove_v the_o contrary_n let_v mr._n fitzherbert_n impugn_v that_o treatise_n and_o then_o he_o may_v have_v some_o cause_n to_o brag_v that_o this_o doctrine_n of_o i_o and_o barclay_n be_v a_o false_a and_o vain_a supposition_n of_o our_o own_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n the_o reader_n may_v clear_o see_v how_o vain_o and_o frivolous_o he_o have_v prove_v by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n that_o the_o temporal_a power_n be_v subject_a and_o subordinate_a to_o the_o spiritual_a and_o that_o in_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n religious_a priest_n as_o they_o be_v such_o may_v command_v and_o correct_v temporal_o the_o temporal_a commonwealth_n or_o supreme_a temporal_a prince_n whereas_o the_o quite_o contrary_a be_v manifest_a by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n 48_o the_o other_o thing_n say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n that_o i_o have_v show_v be_v that_o by_o reason_n of_o this_o natural_a subordination_n and_o subjection_n of_o the_o law_n and_o less_o perfect_a society_n to_o the_o high_a and_o more_o perfect_a it_o be_v most_o conform_a to_o nature_n that_o the_o head_n of_o the_o church_n who_o be_v the_o supreme_a spiritual_a magistrate_n may_v command_v and_o correct_v all_o inferior_a magistrate_n as_o well_o temporal_a as_o spiritual_a when_o the_o necessity_n either_o of_o the_o whole_a body_n or_o of_o the_o church_n only_o which_o be_v the_o most_o perfect_a and_o supreme_a society_n do_v require_v it_o as_o in_o like_a case_n the_o supreme_a civil_a magistrate_n who_o be_v prince_n and_o head_n of_o the_o commonwealth_n just_o command_v and_o punish_v the_o head_n of_o family_n or_o city_n notwithstanding_o that_o the_o say_v family_n and_o city_n be_v distinct_a society_n and_o body_n and_o have_v their_o law_n and_o magistrate_n apart_o no_o less_o than_o the_o commonwealth_n and_o church_n have_v they_o 49_o but_o first_o it_o be_v untrue_a that_o there_o be_v any_o natural_a subordination_n and_o subjection_n of_o the_o temporal_a power_n or_o commonwealth_n to_o the_o spiritual_a except_o in_o dignity_n and_o perfection_n which_o be_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n and_o whereof_o no_o man_n make_v doubt_n neither_o do_v the_o dignity_n and_o perfection_n of_o the_o more_o noble_a and_o excellent_a society_n infer_v a_o superiority_n in_o command_n and_o authority_n over_o the_o less_o worthy_a and_o less_o noble_a society_n unless_o we_o will_v have_v the_o company_n of_o goldsmith_n to_o have_v
the_o priest_n of_o the_o new_a law_n must_v have_v authority_n to_o do_v the_o like_a but_o thing_n far_o more_o noble_a and_o excellent_a for_o that_o the_o verity_n must_v be_v of_o a_o more_o high_a and_o excellent_a order_n than_o the_o figure_n as_o in_o the_o five_o chapter_n i_o prove_v more_o at_o large_a and_o therefore_o as_o in_o the_o old_a law_n all_o the_o figure_n promise_n and_o punishment_n be_v temporal_a so_o in_o the_o new_a law_n the_o verity_n promise_n and_o punishment_n which_o correspond_v thereunto_o must_v be_v spiritual_a not_o temporal_a for_o otherwise_o the_o figure_n shall_v be_v the_o same_o with_o the_o verity_n and_o not_o of_o a_o high_a nature_n and_o order_n then_o the_o verity_n so_o that_o temporal_a life_n must_v correspond_v to_o spiritual_a life_n temporal_a kingdom_n to_o spiritual_a kingdom_n temporal_a good_n to_o spiritual_a good_n temporal_a promise_n and_o reward_n to_o spiritual_a promise_n and_o reward_n and_o temporal_a punishment_n to_o spiritual_a punishment_n all_o which_o spiritual_a punishment_n be_v contain_v in_o excommunication_n maior_n and_o minor_a and_o in_o other_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n and_o punishment_n and_o to_o that_o which_o he_o add_v in_o the_o end_n that_o i_o must_v acknowledge_v according_a to_o my_o own_o doctrine_n that_o the_o church_n may_v punish_v temporal_o see_v that_o she_o may_v excommunicate_v i_o have_v already_o full_o cap._n full_o cap._n answer_v and_o deny_v his_o consequence_n for_o that_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n neither_o by_o excommunication_n nor_o by_o any_o other_o way_n have_v by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n authority_n to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n but_o only_o to_o punish_v temporal_o by_o way_n of_o command_n which_o no_o man_n deny_v and_o thus_o much_o concern_v the_o old_a law_n 10_o now_o to_o the_o authority_n which_o mr._n fitzherbert_n bring_v out_o of_o the_o new_a testament_n i_o answer_v thus_o six_o those_o place_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n quodcunque_fw-la solueris_fw-la super_fw-la terram_fw-la etc._n etc._n 16._o etc._n matth._n 16._o whatsoever_o thou_o shall_v loose_v upon_o earth_n etc._n etc._n and_o pasce_fw-la oves_fw-la meas_fw-la 21._o meas_fw-la joan._n 21._o feed_v my_o sheep_n as_o also_o the_o reason_n which_o fa._n parson_n bring_v to_o wit_n that_o otherwise_o the_o ecclesiastical_a commonwealth_n shall_v be_v imperfect_a and_o not_o sufficient_a for_o itself_o be_v explicate_v by_o i_o elsewhere_o and_o that_o corporal_a kill_n of_o ananias_n and_o saphira_n and_o the_o visible_a deliver_v of_o the_o fornicatour_n to_o satan_n be_v to_o be_v refer_v to_o the_o grace_n of_o miracle_n neither_o will_v this_o author_n say_v as_o i_o imagine_v that_o the_o pope_n have_v power_n to_o kill_v wicked_a man_n and_o malefactor_n with_o the_o word_n of_o his_o mouth_n 11_o to_o this_o my_o answer_n mr._n fitzherbert_n repli_v in_o the_o same_o order_n and_o first_o to_o my_o answer_n to_o those_o two_o place_n whatsoever_o thou_o shall_v loose_v etc._n etc._n and_o feed_v my_o sheep_n which_o i_o make_v in_o my_o apology_n seq_fw-la apology_n apolog._n nu_fw-la 35._o &_o seq_fw-la &_o nu_fw-la 203._o &_o seq_fw-la whereunto_o i_o remit_v the_o reader_n he_o repli_v thus_o 6.7.8_o thus_o pag._n 115._o nu_fw-la 6.7.8_o that_o which_o widdrington_n say_v in_o his_o apology_n concern_v these_o two_o text_n allege_v out_o of_o the_o gospel_n be_v no_o other_o but_o to_o prove_v that_o christ_n give_v thereby_o to_o s._n peter_n a_o spiritual_a authority_n only_o which_o we_o willing_o grant_v as_o d._n adolphus_n schulckenius_n 136_o schulckenius_n adolph_n schulck_n in_o apolog_n c._n 4._o §_o respondeo_fw-la p._n 136_o in_o his_o answer_n for_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n have_v declare_v sufficient_o and_o tell_v my_o adversary_n widdrington_n withal_o how_o vain_o he_o have_v labour_v with_o a_o long_a discourse_n and_o many_o idle_a word_n to_o prove_v that_o which_o neither_o the_o cardinal_n nor_o any_o other_o catholic_a will_v deny_v 12_o for_o we_o willing_o grant_v say_v schulckenius_n that_o the_o pope_n power_n be_v formal_o spiritual_a though_o virtual_o it_o be_v also_o temporal_a extend_v itself_o to_o temporal_a thing_n so_o far_o forth_o as_o they_o be_v subordinate_a to_o the_o spiritual_a and_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o church_n shall_v require_v so_o he_o ibidem_fw-la he_o ibidem_fw-la and_o afterward_o he_o also_o explicate_v the_o same_o in_o these_o word_n nam_n &_o animus_n noster_fw-la spiritus_fw-la est_fw-la etc._n etc._n for_o our_o soul_n say_v he_o be_v a_o spirit_n and_o have_v a_o spiritual_a power_n and_o yet_o it_o do_v not_o only_o thereby_o govern_v the_o body_n which_o be_v subject_a unto_o it_o but_o do_v also_o chastise_v it_o with_o corporal_a punishment_n as_o watch_v haircloth_n fast_v and_o whip_v and_o therefore_o if_o bellarmine_n do_v say_v that_o the_o pope_n do_v judge_v the_o fault_n of_o prince_n and_o upon_o their_o desert_n deprive_v they_o sometime_o of_o their_o government_n by_o a_o temporal_a power_n his_o adversary_n widdrington_n shall_v say_v somewhat_o to_o the_o purpose_n but_o now_o see_v that_o bellarmine_n say_v that_o the_o pope_n use_v a_o spiritual_a power_n when_o he_o deprive_v prince_n of_o their_o state_n for_o spiritual_a and_o ecclesiastical_a crime_n such_o as_o heresy_n and_o schism_n be_v his_o adversary_n widdrington_n do_v idle_o beat_v the_o air_n etc._n etc._n for_o he_o shall_v have_v prove_v that_o a_o supreme_a spiritual_a power_n can_v extend_v itself_o to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_a thing_n as_o they_o be_v refer_v to_o spiritual_a thing_n thus_o say_v schulckenius_n 13_o and_o thereof_o my_o adversary_n widdrington_n may_v have_v take_v notice_n if_o it_o have_v please_v he_o when_o he_o refer_v i_o and_o his_o reader_n to_o his_o apology_n for_o answer_v to_o those_o place_n for_o albeit_o he_o may_v perhaps_o pretend_v that_o he_o have_v not_o see_v schulckenius_n his_o apology_n for_o the_o cardinal_n before_o he_o have_v end_v his_o theological_a disputation_n yet_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o he_o have_v see_v and_o read_v it_o before_o he_o write_v his_o admonition_n to_o the_o reader_n wherein_o he_o write_v against_o i_o for_o he_o not_o only_o make_v mention_v therein_o of_o the_o apology_n of_o schulckenius_n but_o also_o carp_v at_o he_o for_o some_o thing_n that_o he_o handle_v and_o therefore_o if_o he_o have_v mean_v sincere_o he_o will_v not_o have_v remit_v we_o to_o his_o own_o apology_n for_o this_o point_n without_o some_o confutation_n of_o schulckenius_n his_o answer_n thereto_o i_o mean_v of_o so_o much_o as_o concern_v this_o matter_n for_o otherwise_o he_o may_v multiply_v book_n and_o write_v of_o this_o controversy_n as_o long_o as_o he_o live_v and_o all_o to_o no_o purpose_n if_o he_o will_v still_o stand_v upon_o his_o first_o ground_n and_o dissemble_v the_o answer_n that_o be_v make_v thereto_o and_o therefore_o as_o he_o remit_v i_o to_o his_o apology_n so_o i_o remit_v he_o also_o to_o the_o answer_n of_o schulckenius_n which_o i_o have_v partly_o lay_v down_o here_o and_o may_v be_v see_v more_o at_o large_a in_o he_o and_o this_o shall_v suffice_v for_o this_o point_n 14_o but_o true_o it_o be_v intolerable_a that_o these_o man_n shall_v so_o shameful_o both_o abuse_v i_o and_o delude_v their_o reader_n i_o do_v not_o say_v only_o in_o dissemble_v the_o answer_n i_o make_v to_o their_o argument_n but_o in_o plain_o corrupt_v the_o word_n and_o manifest_a sense_n thereof_o in_o which_o manner_n they_o may_v multiply_v book_n and_o make_v reply_v with_o ease_n but_o with_o shame_n enough_o for_o it_o be_v too_o too_o apparent_o untrue_a that_o i_o labour_v in_o that_o place_n to_o prove_v nothing_o else_o as_o those_o man_n false_o affirm_v but_o that_o which_o neither_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n nor_o any_o other_o catholic_a will_v deny_v to_o wit_n that_o christ_n give_v to_o s._n peter_n a_o spiritual_a authority_n only_o although_o it_o be_v well_o know_v that_o the_o common_a opinion_n of_o the_o canonist_n do_v deny_v the_o same_o who_o contend_v that_o christ_n give_v thereby_o to_o s._n peter_n not_o only_o spiritual_a but_o also_o temporal_a authority_n and_o make_v he_o thereby_o not_o only_o a_o spiritual_a but_o also_o a_o temporal_a monarch_n and_o therefore_o mr._n fitzherbert_n be_v gross_o mistake_v in_o say_v so_o bold_o that_o neither_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n nor_o any_o other_o catholic_a will_v deny_v that_o christ_n give_v thereby_o to_o s._n peter_n a_o spiritual_a authority_n only_o for_o i_o do_v not_o contend_v in_o that_o place_n about_o the_o authority_n which_o be_v give_v to_o saint_n peter_n to_o bind_v and_o loose_v which_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n take_v to_o be_v all_o one_o with_o to_o feed_v his_o sheep_n whether_o it_o be_v temporal_a or_o spiritual_a or_o both_o as_o the_o canonist_n will_v have_v it_o but_o about_o the_o act_n
it_o will_v not_o be_v amiss_o to_o set_v down_o the_o substance_n of_o that_o i_o answer_v to_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n second_o argument_n which_o be_v the_o same_o in_o effect_n with_o that_o of_o fa._n parson_n and_o also_o to_o examine_v what_o d._n schulckenius_n repli_v to_o the_o same_o to_o prove_v therefore_o that_o the_o church_n have_v power_n to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_a thing_n and_o to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n cardinal_n bellarmine_n bring_v this_o argument_n 7._o bel._n l._n 5._o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n c._n 7._o the_o ecclesiastical_a commonwealth_n ought_v to_o be_v perfect_a and_o sufficient_a for_o itself_o in_o order_n to_o her_o end_n for_o such_o be_v all_o well_o establish_v commonwealth_n therefore_o she_o ought_v to_o have_v all_o power_n necessary_a to_o the_o attain_n of_o her_o end_n but_o power_n to_o use_v and_o to_o dispose_v of_o temporall_n be_v necessary_a to_o the_o spiritual_a end_n because_o otherwise_o wicked_a prince_n may_v 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of_o heresy_n or_o apostasy_n from_o christian_a religion_n the_o subject_n can_v not_o be_v absolve_v from_o the_o oath_n of_o allegiance_n or_o from_o the_o obligation_n that_o they_o owe_v to_o their_o prince_n these_o his_o word_n i_o say_v do_v neither_o contradict_v those_o english_a catholic_n who_o defend_v our_o english_a oath_n to_o be_v lawful_a nor_o do_v show_v or_o signify_v that_o widdrington_n have_v not_o bring_v any_o divine_n or_o lawyer_n both_o frenchman_n and_o of_o other_o nation_n who_o affirm_v that_o the_o pope_n have_v no_o authority_n to_o depose_v prince_n and_o to_o absolve_v subject_n from_o the_o bond_n of_o their_o temporal_a allegiance_n for_o the_o cardinal_n word_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v secundum_fw-la subiectam_fw-la materiam_fw-la according_a to_o the_o matter_n which_o he_o treat_v of_o and_o which_o he_o will_v persuade_v his_o reader_n the_o three_o estate_n of_o france_n endeavour_v to_o establish_v by_o their_o oath_n to_o wit_n that_o 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maior_n in_o 4._o do_v 24._o q._n 3._o where_o he_o write_v according_a to_o his_o own_o opinion_n though_o not_o in_o his_o treatise_n de_fw-fr potestate_fw-la ecclesiastica_fw-la which_o the_o cardinal_n cit_v where_o he_o comment_v occam_n and_o speak_v according_a to_o occams_n doctrine_n albeit_o these_o doctor_n do_v on_o the_o other_o side_n affirm_v that_o the_o commonwealth_n have_v authority_n to_o depose_v a_o wicked_a and_o incorrigible_a king_n and_o so_o that_o the_o pope_n may_v according_o to_o they_o depose_v he_o per_fw-la accidens_fw-la as_o joan._n parisiensis_fw-la write_v or_o to_o use_v joannes_n maior_n his_o word_n applicando_fw-la activa_fw-la passivis_fw-la as_o he_o that_o apply_v fire_n to_o straw_n be_v say_v to_o burn_v the_o straw_n to_o wit_n by_o persuade_v advise_v command_a and_o also_o by_o spiritual_a censure_n compel_v they_o who_o have_v authority_n to_o wit_n the_o people_n or_o commonwealth_n to_o depose_v he_o and_o after_o he_o be_v depose_v 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itself_o for_o to_o little_a purpose_n be_v that_o gloss_n or_o exposition_n which_o be_v more_o obscure_a than_o the_o text_n itself_o we_o must_v gather_v the_o sense_n &_o meaning_n of_o such_o gloss_n from_o the_o drift_n sense_n &_o circumstance_n not_o only_o of_o the_o particular_a canon_n gloss_v but_o also_o of_o other_o canon_n and_o gloss_n of_o the_o same_o expositour_n or_o gloss_a in_o other_o part_n and_o place_n of_o the_o law_n but_o with_o this_o caveat_n and_o proviso_n that_o if_o the_o same_o glosser_n or_o expositour_n bring_v two_o diverse_a or_o contrary_a exposition_n of_o the_o same_o canon_n which_o be_v ground_v upon_o two_o contrary_a opinion_n we_o must_v have_v a_o regard_n to_o distinguish_v these_o two_o contrary_a opinion_n and_o the_o gloss_n ground_v thereon_o and_o for_o the_o understanding_n of_o the_o gloss_n or_o exposition_n which_o suppose_v one_o opinion_n not_o to_o fly_v to_o that_o gloss_n which_o suppose_v the_o contrary_a doctrine_n and_o opinion_n for_o otherwise_o we_o shall_v make_v the_o sense_n and_o meaning_n of_o the_o gloss_n to_o be_v more_o obscure_a and_o intricate_a then_o plain_a and_o manifest_a as_o for_o example_n if_o the_o same_o glosser_n or_o expositour_n give_v two_o diverse_a exposition_n of_o the_o same_o canon_n whereof_o the_o one_o suppose_v the_o pope_n to_o have_v either_o direct_a or_o indirect_a dominion_n in_o temporal_n and_o to_o have_v authority_n either_o direct_o or_o indirect_o to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_n and_o to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n and_o the_o other_o gloss_n suppose_v that_o he_o have_v no_o such_o dominion_n or_o authority_n in_o temporal_n for_o the_o understanding_n of_o that_o gloss_n which_o suppose_v the_o pope_n to_o have_v such_o a_o dominion_n or_o authority_n in_o temporal_n we_o must_v not_o fly_v to_o that_o other_o gloss_n which_o suppose_v that_o he_o have_v no_o such_o dominion_n or_o authority_n 5._o authority_n page_n 167._o num_fw-la 5._o 12_o second_o say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n the_o penalty_n impose_v in_o the_o two_o decree_n here_o gloss_v be_v of_o different_a nature_n and_o quality_n the_o one_o concern_v only_o the_o confiscation_n of_o good_n which_o be_v express_o ordain_v in_o diverse_a place_n of_o the_o law_n and_o the_o other_o touch_v only_o the_o effusion_n of_o blood_n by_o death_n or_o mutilation_n which_o be_v not_o where_o ordain_v or_o permit_v but_o express_o forbid_v to_o all_o ecclesiastical_a judge_n 13_o but_o first_o although_o it_o be_v true_a that_o the_o penalty_n impose_v in_o these_o two_o canon_n be_v of_o different_a nature_n and_o quality_n in_o particular_a for_o that_o the_o one_o ordain_v a_o civil_a punishment_n to_o wit_n the_o confiscation_n of_o good_n the_o other_o a_o criminal_a penalty_n to_o wit_n the_o effusion_n of_o blood_n by_o mutilation_n and_o also_o death_n yet_o both_o of_o they_o be_v as_o i_o say_v before_o of_o the_o
delatori_fw-la 28_o but_o this_o have_v be_v at_o large_a already_o answer_v and_o first_o that_o albeit_o the_o former_a gloss_n do_v acknowledge_v that_o the_o church_n do_v by_o this_o canon_n ordain_v the_o confiscation_n of_o layman_n good_n and_o deprivation_n of_o their_o dignity_n which_o be_v also_o confirm_v by_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n yet_o the_o former_a gloss_n do_v not_o acknowledge_v that_o the_o church_n do_v ordain_v this_o by_o that_o authority_n which_o she_o have_v receive_v from_o christ_n and_o not_o from_o the_o grant_n and_o privilege_n of_o christian_a prince_n whereof_o only_o we_o now_o dispute_v second_o that_o those_o word_n of_o the_o former_a gloss_n confiscate_v and_o depose_v may_v well_o be_v understand_v in_o that_o sense_n wherein_o the_o same_o glosser_n expound_v the_o word_n depose_v in_o the_o canon_n alius_fw-la 15._o q._n 6._o and_o so_o as_o i_o show_v before_o the_o late_a gloss_n do_v not_o contradict_v the_o former_a but_o 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cardinal_n bellarmine_n of_o the_o true_a sense_n and_o meaning_n of_o the_o aforesaid_a clause_n 25_o and_o by_o this_o that_o also_o which_o mr._n fitzherbert_n immediate_o add_v to_o tax_v i_o of_o temerity_n and_o malice_n and_o of_o accuse_v his_o holiness_n of_o lack_n of_o wisdom_n of_o impiety_n and_o manifest_a lie_v be_v both_o answer_v and_o his_o fraud_n and_o falsehood_n plain_o discover_v and_o howsoever_o say_v he_o 3_o he_o pa._n 212._o n._n 3_o my_o adversary_n widdrington_n or_o any_o other_o may_v be_v so_o temerarious_a to_o have_v that_o conceit_n at_o the_o first_o yet_o he_o can_v not_o without_o great_a malice_n persist_v in_o that_o opinion_n after_o the_o publication_n of_o the_o second_o breve_fw-la wherein_o his_o holiness_n acknowledge_v and_o avow_v that_o the_o former_a be_v not_o false_a or_o surreptitious_a but_o write_v upon_o his_o own_o certain_a knowledge_n motion_n and_o will_v and_o after_o long_a and_o grave_a deliberation_n have_v concern_v all_o thing_n contain_v therein_o and_o that_o therefore_o the_o catholic_n be_v bind_v to_o observe_v it_o whole_o reject_v all_o interpretation_n to_o the_o contrary_n this_o be_v so_o according_a to_o my_o adversary_n own_o relation_n it_o be_v most_o evident_a that_o his_o holiness_n have_v take_v sufficient_a information_n of_o the_o whole_a matter_n 59_o disp_n theol._n c._n 10._o sec_fw-la 2._o nu_fw-la 59_o and_o all_o the_o circumstance_n thereof_o even_o before_o he_o publish_v his_o first_o breve_fw-la and_o therefore_o widdrington_n affirm_v the_o contrary_n can_v have_v that_o opinion_n which_o a_o charitable_a and_o pious_a catholic_a aught_o to_o have_v either_o of_o the_o wisdom_n and_o piety_n of_o his_o supreme_a pastor_n or_o of_o the_o authority_n and_o verity_n of_o his_o apostolical_a breve_n and_o decree_n but_o do_v in_o effect_n charge_v he_o to_o have_v lie_v manifest_o in_o his_o second_o breve_fw-la when_o he_o testify_v that_o he_o make_v the_o first_o with_o such_o mature_a deliberation_n and_o certain_a knowledge_n as_o you_o have_v hear_v 26_o to_o this_o second_o breve_fw-la which_o his_o holiness_n purposely_o send_v hither_o as_o he_o himself_o in_o the_o begin_n thereof_o affirm_v for_o that_o it_o be_v report_v unto_o he_o that_o some_o here_o do_v say_v that_o his_o letter_n or_o breve_fw-la date_v the_o 22._o of_o october_n 1606._o concern_v the_o forbid_v of_o the_o oath_n be_v not_o write_v according_a to_o his_o own_o mind_n and_o his_o own_o proper_a will_n but_o rather_o for_o the_o respect_n and_o at_o the_o instigation_n of_o other_o for_o which_o cause_n they_o go_v about_o to_o persuade_v other_o that_o his_o commandment_n in_o the_o say_a letter_n be_v not_o to_o be_v regard_v i_o give_v this_o answer_n 59_o answer_n dis_n theol._n c._n 10_o sec_fw-la 2._o nu_fw-la 59_o which_o my_o fraudulent_a adversary_n altogether_o conceal_v in_o the_o second_o breve_fw-la which_o be_v date_v the_o first_o of_o september_n 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precept_n which_o be_v only_o
fitzherbert_n turn_v and_o wind_v in_o such_o a_o run_a and_o fraudulent_a manner_n that_o his_o reader_n can_v well_o perceive_v of_o what_o imputation_n he_o mean_v when_o he_o say_v that_o if_o the_o second_o breve_fw-la be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o clear_v his_o holiness_n of_o this_o imputation_n yet_o his_o three_o breve_fw-la must_v needs_o be_v abundant_o sufficient_a to_o do_v it_o for_o that_o which_o i_o say_v only_o be_v that_o his_o holiness_n by_o all_o likelihood_n be_v not_o true_o inform_v by_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o his_o other_o divine_n of_o the_o true_a sense_n and_o meaning_n of_o some_o clause_n of_o the_o oath_n against_o which_o you_o have_v see_v with_o what_o fraud_n and_o falsity_n my_o ignorant_a adversary_n have_v wrangle_v and_o iangle_v as_o though_o i_o have_v tax_v his_o holiness_n for_o publish_v his_o first_o breve_fw-la before_o he_o have_v see_v or_o mature_o weigh_v and_o ponder_v the_o oath_n itself_o and_o all_o the_o clause_n thereof_o 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consideration_n and_o diligent_a discussion_n of_o the_o whole_a controversy_n and_o sufficient_a information_n of_o all_o the_o circumstance_n thereof_o therefore_o his_o holiness_n neither_o be_v nor_o can_v all_o this_o time_n which_o be_v more_o than_o two_o year_n be_v ignorant_a of_o the_o nature_n and_o quality_n of_o the_o oath_n and_o that_o therefore_o he_o can_v not_o be_v ignorant_a but_o certain_o know_v that_o there_o be_v many_o thing_n in_o the_o oath_n flat_a contrary_n to_o faith_n and_o salvation_n as_o he_o have_v declare_v by_o his_o first_o breve_fw-la 32_o but_o to_o omit_v now_o those_o word_n sufficient_a information_n etc._n etc._n and_o that_o his_o holiness_n do_v sufficient_o inform_v himself_o etc._n etc._n which_v my_o adversary_n here_o diverse_a time_n repeat_v which_o because_o they_o be_v equivocal_a and_o may_v have_v a_o double_a sense_n i_o will_v declare_v beneath_o it_o be_v very_o untrue_a and_o contrary_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o of_o all_o other_o learned_a divine_n to_o say_v that_o certain_a and_o infallible_a knowledge_n of_o truth_n be_v in_o the_o pope_n necessary_o annex_v to_o his_o long_a grave_a mature_a and_o diligent_a consideration_n and_o discussion_n of_o any_o doctrine_n or_o matter_n unless_o the_o doctrine_n and_o matter_n be_v of_o such_o a_o nature_n and_o the_o discussion_n thereof_o be_v do_v with_o such_o circumstance_n and_o in_o such_o a_o manner_n as_o christ_n have_v promise_v he_o his_o infallible_a assistance_n which_o even_o according_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o canus_n christ_n have_v not_o promise_v he_o in_o such_o decree_n or_o definition_n which_o be_v not_o direct_v and_o do_v not_o appertain_v to_o the_o whole_a church_n as_o be_v these_o his_o breve_n forbid_v the_o oath_n whereof_o the_o two_o first_o be_v only_o direct_v to_o english_a catholic_n and_o the_o three_o only_a to_o mr._n birket_n than_o archpriest_n for_o in_o custom_n law_n or_o decree_n which_o be_v not_o common_a to_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o be_v refer_v to_o private_a person_n or_o church_n not_o only_o the_o pope_n but_o also_o the_o church_n may_v err_v and_o be_v deceive_v through_o ignorance_n i_o say_v say_v canus_n not_o only_o in_o her_o judgement_n of_o fact_n 3._o canus_n lib._n 5._o q._n 5._o conel_n 3._o or_o thing_n do_v as_o whether_o such_o a_o one_o commit_v such_o a_o sin_n have_v lose_v his_o faculty_n aught_o to_o be_v censure_v and_o such_o like_a but_o also_o in_o her_o private_a precept_n and_o law_n themselves_o and_o the_o true_a and_o proper_a reason_n hereof_o he_o bring_v from_o the_o authority_n of_o pope_n innocent_a the_o three_o which_o i_o relate_v also_o above_o 11._o above_o chap._n 13._o nu_fw-la 11._o for_o that_o albeit_o the_o judgement_n of_o god_n be_v always_o ground_v upon_o truth_n which_o neither_o deceive_v nor_o be_v deceive_v yet_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n be_v now_o and_o then_o lead_v by_o opinion_n which_o oftentimes_o do_v deceive_v and_o be_v deceive_v etc._n etc._n 33_o whereupon_o the_o reader_n may_v most_o clear_o perceive_v how_o unlearned_o my_o ignorant_a adversary_n do_v infer_v that_o because_o his_o holiness_n have_v a_o long_a grave_a and_o mature_a deliberation_n and_o consultation_n concern_v the_o true_a sense_n of_o the_o oath_n and_o of_o every_o clause_n thereof_o and_o do_v send_v hither_o his_o three_o breve_fw-la for_o punish_v those_o priest_n that_o shall_v take_v or_o defend_v the_o same_o therefore_o he_o can_v not_o be_v ignorant_a of_o the_o true_a sense_n of_o every_o clause_n thereof_o but_o must_v certain_o and_o infallible_o know_v that_o many_o thing_n be_v therein_o contain_v flat_a contrary_n to_o faith_n and_o salvation_n as_o he_o by_o his_o first_o breve_fw-la have_v declare_v as_o though_o his_o sentence_n and_o judgement_n in_o decree_n which_o be_v direct_v only_o to_o private_a person_n or_o church_n shall_v be_v always_o ground_v upon_o truth_n which_o neither_o can_v deceive_v nor_o be_v deceive_v and_o that_o he_o can_v err_v through_o ignorance_n or_o be_v lead_v by_o opinion_n which_o oftentimes_o do_v deceive_v &_o be_v deceive_v in_o his_o private_a law_n &_o decree_n which_o be_v not_o common_a to_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o do_v belong_v to_o private_a man_n bishop_n or_o church_n and_o that_o therefore_o those_o priest_n who_o he_o bind_v or_o punish_v by_o his_o censure_n and_o sentence_n may_v not_o be_v free_a before_o god_n and_o those_o other_o priest_n who_o he_o do_v not_o censure_n may_v not_o deserve_v punishment_n in_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n according_a to_o that_o which_o pope_n innocent_a in_o the_o end_n of_o his_o aforesaid_a reason_n do_v affirm_v 34_o but_o those_o word_n which_o mr._n fitzherbert_n often_o repeat_v that_o his_o holiness_n after_o so_o long_a and_o grave_a deliberation_n have_v concern_v all_o thing_n contain_v in_o his_o first_o breve_fw-la among_o which_o the_o principal_a be_v that_o many_o thing_n be_v contain_v in_o the_o oath_n which_o be_v manifest_o repugnant_a to_o faith_n and_o salvation_n be_v sufficient_o inform_v of_o the_o whole_a matter_n be_v very_o equivocal_a and_o may_v have_v a_o double_a sense_n for_o first_o these_o word_n may_v signify_v that_o his_o holiness_n after_o so_o long_a and_o grave_a deliberation_n be_v sufficient_o inform_v to_o excuse_v he_o from_o sin_n for_o do_v what_o he_o do_v and_o for_o send_v hither_o his_o breve_n to_o forbid_v the_o oath_n and_o to_o punish_v those_o priest_n that_o shall_v take_v the_o oath_n or_o teach_v it_o to_o be_v lawful_a and_o with_o this_o point_n for_o that_o it_o little_o import_v our_o present_a question_n whether_o the_o oath_n not_o only_o in_o the_o pope_n opinion_n and_o conscience_n but_o also_o real_o true_o and_o certain_o contain_v in_o it_o many_o thing_n flat_o contrary_a to_o faith_n and_o salvation_n or_o no_o and_o for_o that_o it_o be_v a_o thing_n secret_a and_o unknown_a to_o i_o i_o will_v not_o inter_v meddle_v but_o leave_v it_o to_o the_o conscience_n of_o his_o holiness_n and_o to_o the_o judgement_n of_o god_n who_o search_v the_o heart_n and_o reins_n of_o man_n yet_o this_o i_o dare_v bold_o say_v that_o in_o my_o judgement_n his_o holiness_n may_v have_v be_v more_o sufficient_o inform_v of_o the_o whole_a matter_n if_o he_o have_v consult_v this_o question_n concern_v the_o certainty_n of_o his_o authority_n to_o depose_v prince_n and_o whether_o his_o spiritual_a supremacy_n or_o any_o other_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n or_o manner_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n not_o only_o with_o his_o own_o divine_n who_o be_v know_v to_o maintain_v with_o such_o violence_n both_o his_o authority_n in_o temporal_n over_o temporal_a prince_n which_o be_v the_o principal_a mark_n at_o which_o the_o oath_n do_v aim_v and_o his_o spiritual_a authority_n
over_o the_o whole_a church_n or_o a_o general_n council_n but_o also_o with_o the_o divine_n of_o france_n who_o be_v not_o so_o vehement_a for_o either_o of_o they_o and_o with_o the_o learned_a priest_n and_o catholic_n of_o england_n who_o it_o do_v most_o concern_v and_o i_o be_o full_o persuade_v or_o rather_o moral_o certain_a that_o both_o the_o cardinal_n peron_n and_o many_o other_o learned_a catholic_n both_o of_o france_n and_o england_n will_v at_o that_o time_n plain_o have_v tell_v his_o holiness_n and_o give_v he_o sufficient_a reason_n for_o their_o say_n that_o neither_o the_o doctrine_n for_o his_o power_n to_o depose_v prince_n which_o be_v express_o deny_v in_o the_o oath_n be_v certain_a and_o of_o faith_n or_o the_o contrary_a improbable_a nor_o that_o his_o power_n to_o excommunicate_v or_o any_o other_o spiritual_a authority_n of_o he_o which_o be_v certain_a and_o of_o faith_n be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n 35_o and_o this_o also_o of_o my_o own_o knowledge_n 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prove_v that_o in_o the_o oath_n be_v contain_v many_o thing_n flat_o contrary_a to_o faith_n and_o salvation_n be_v very_o gross_o mistake_v and_o if_o his_o holiness_n trust_v to_o the_o learning_n and_o honesty_n of_o these_o man_n be_v move_v to_o condemn_v the_o oath_n for_o that_o cause_n by_o the_o instigation_n of_o they_o as_o by_o all_o probable_a conjecture_n or_o rather_o by_o moral_a certainty_n he_o be_v as_o i_o convince_v before_o it_o be_v alas_o too_o too_o manifest_a that_o he_o be_v delude_v to_o the_o great_a ignominy_n of_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a the_o grievous_a scandal_n of_o protestant_n and_o to_o the_o utter_a temporal_a ruin_n of_o very_a many_o catholic_n 58_o now_o you_o shall_v see_v how_o childish_o mr._n fitzherbert_n cavil_v at_o that_o word_n if_o as_o though_o now_o at_o last_o i_o make_v a_o doubt_n and_o dare_v not_o absolute_o aver_v that_o his_o holiness_n be_v move_v by_o the_o instigation_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o the_o other_o 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same_o and_o say_v that_o his_o holiness_n do_v not_o understand_v the_o word_n of_o the_o oath_n in_o that_o sense_n wherein_o card._n bellarmine_n and_o the_o other_o divine_n of_o rome_n do_v conceive_v they_o but_o childish_o will_v make_v his_o reader_n believe_v that_o i_o myself_o grant_v it_o to_o be_v very_o conjectural_a and_o uncertain_a by_o conclude_v my_o second_o answer_n with_o a_o if_o whereas_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o i_o say_v plain_o it_o be_v moral_o certain_a and_o therefore_o that_o if_o to_o be_v refer_v thereunto_o and_o to_o have_v this_o sense_n if_o it_o be_v true_a or_o moral_o certain_a as_o true_a it_o be_v that_o his_o holiness_n be_v move_v etc._n etc._n or_o why_o do_v he_o not_o answer_v the_o argument_n which_o i_o bring_v to_o prove_v that_o it_o be_v moral_o certain_a but_o pass_v they_o over_o as_o you_o have_v see_v with_o fraud_n and_o silence_n and_o when_o you_o mr._n fitzherbert_n in_o your_o supplement_n understand_v the_o oath_n to_o 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