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council_n do_v consequent_o affirm_v that_o the_o service_n and_o prayer_n in_o the_o reform_a church_n in_o the_o vulgar_a tongue_n be_v better_a for_o the_o edification_n of_o the_o church_n for_o it_o be_v manifest_a out_o of_o the_o very_a same_o place_n cite_v by_o our_o adversary_n himself_o that_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n do_v command_v that_o the_o pastor_n do_v frequent_o expound_v some_o part_n of_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v read_v in_o the_o mass_n not_o for_o that_o it_o have_v decree_v the_o contrary_a can_v possible_o hold_v it_o better_a to_o have_v the_o mass_n in_o a_o vulgar_a language_n then_o otherwise_o but_o because_o that_o suppose_v for_o other_o reason_n it_o be_v better_a for_o the_o church_n the_o mass_n shall_v not_o be_v in_o a_o vulgar_a tongue_n and_o that_o beside_o this_o it_o include_v matter_n of_o great_a instruction_n for_o the_o faithful_a people_n therefore_o the_o council_n prudentlie_o decree_v not_o for_o one_o only_o but_o for_o both_o 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that_o he_o use_v no_o great_a sincerity_n in_o the_o citation_n and_o translation_n of_o the_o testimony_n of_o some_o of_o the_o author_n he_o cit_v in_o this_o paragraph_n as_o may_v appear_v particular_o in_o the_o quotation_n of_o waldensis_n i_o say_v not_o to_o stand_v here_o upon_o this_o which_o i_o shall_v more_o convenientlie_o examen_fw-la afterwards_o i_o answer_v that_o those_o author_n affirm_v that_o which_o we_o do_v not_o deny_v to_o wit_n that_o perhaps_o which_o word_n sir_n humphrey_n deceitfullie_o leave_v out_o in_o his_o translation_n of_o s._n tho._n testimony_n cite_v out_o of_o his_o 3._o lection_n upon_o 1._o cor._n 14._o 3._o in_o 1._o cor._n 14._o lect_n 3._o the_o case_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n be_v different_a from_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o ptesent_a time_n in_o this_o matter_n yet_o withal_o the_o same_o author_n do_v affirm_v that_o the_o alteration_n be_v make_v upon_o just_a cause_n which_o cause_n be_v so_o sufficient_o deliver_v by_o bellarmine_n and_o other_o even_o those_o who_o the_o knight_n here_o cit_v that_o i_o need_v not_o rehearse_v their_o reason_n they_o be_v so_o easy_o to_o be_v find_v as_o they_o be_v to_o those_o that_o read_v their_o book_n and_o although_o '_o saint_n thomas_n advertise_v his_o reader_n that_o it_o may_v have_v seem_v madness_n in_o the_o primitive_a church_n to_o have_v perform_v all_o the_o ecclesiastical_a office_n in_o the_o latin_a tongue_n for_o that_o they_o be_v rude_a &_o ignorant_a in_o the_o rite_n of_o the_o church_n and_o ceromony_n yet_o do_v he_o add_v that_o now_o all_o be_v so_o well_o instruct_v that_o though_o it_o be_v in_o latin_a the_o people_n understand_v what_o be_v do_v in_o the_o church_n who_o saying_n be_v most_o true_a at_o least_o in_o general_a yea_o and_o in_o particular_a so_o far_o as_o be_v necessary_a for_o every_o person_n state_n and_o vocation_n for_o that_o throu_fw-fr '_o the_o diligence_n of_o their_o pastor_n and_o preacher_n and_o their_o own_o industry_n they_o may_v have_v sufficient_a instruction_n howbeit_o that_o if_o it_o be_v necessary_a for_o every_o one_o that_o pray_v or_o sing_v to_o understand_v all_o they_o say_v the_o puritan_n themselves_o may_v put_v up_o their_o pipe_n it_o be_v most_o certain_o true_a that_o there_o be_v many_o thing_n in_o the_o psalm_n which_o they_o sing_v so_o merry_o and_o in_o the_o scripture_n which_o they_o read_v so_o ready_o 65._o conscquitur_fw-la ergo_fw-la canonem_fw-la clare_v &_o aperte_fw-la legendum_fw-la ut_fw-la ad_fw-la gratiarum_fw-la actionem_fw-la sacerdotis_fw-la populus_fw-la respondeat_fw-la amen_o cassander_n ex_fw-la gerardo_n lorichio_n p._n 65._o which_o by_o reason_n of_o their_o great_a obscurity_n they_o can_v possible_o understand_v even_o in_o their_o own_o mother_n tongue_n and_o from_o hence_o i_o pass_v to_o a_o brief_a survey_v of_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o author_n cite_v
in_o this_o paragraph_n among_o which_o i_o find_v cassander_n in_o the_o first_o rank_n of_o corruption_n for_o although_o the_o testimony_n which_o cassander_n cite_v do_v not_o prove_v full_o his_o intent_n yet_o be_v it_o evident_a by_o the_o word_n of_o those_o he_o produce_v that_o he_o speak_v in_o that_o place_n of_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o mass_n especial_o when_o he_o say_v in_o the_o title_n of_o his_o chapter_n canonicam_fw-la precem_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o sir_n humphrey_n translate_v it_o not_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o mass_n as_o he_o ought_v to_o have_v do_v but_o canonical_a prayer_n so_o odious_a and_o reformidable_a unto_o he_o be_v the_o report_n of_o that_o great_a canon_n that_o he_o dare_v not_o name_v it_o moreover_o the_o testimony_n of_o cassander_n be_v detort_v by_o sir_n humphrey_n quite_o from_o the_o sense_n in_o which_o he_o speak_v it_o for_o he_o speak_v not_o there_o of_o the_o vulgar_a tongue_n one_o word_n but_o whether_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o 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exhortation_n of_o the_o father_n etc._n etc._n and_o also_o other_o before_o they_o which_o he_o ought_v to_o have_v rehearse_v complete_o because_o they_o be_v to_o the_o same_o purpose_n i_o will_v put_v the_o whole_a tenor_n of_o his_o word_n in_o the_o margin_n that_o the_o reader_n may_v more_o plain_o see_v the_o fraud_n 16._o latini_n patres_fw-la quos_fw-la citat_fw-la whitakerus_n loqunn_n tur_fw-la de_fw-fr eo_fw-la tempore_fw-la quo_fw-la lingua_fw-la latina_n erat_fw-la multis_fw-la gentibus_fw-la vulgaris_fw-la aut_fw-la valde_fw-la communis_fw-la hinc_fw-la omnes_fw-la simul_fw-la psallebant_fw-la &_o missae_fw-la linguae_fw-la populo_fw-la nota_fw-la celebantur_fw-la quia_fw-la latina_n lingua_fw-la erat_fw-la omnibus_fw-la vel_fw-la plerisque_fw-la nota_fw-la hincillae_fw-la patrun_v exhortationes_fw-la ut_fw-la omnes_fw-la simul_fw-la psallant_a utque_fw-la faciant_fw-la attente_fw-la &_o intelligibiliter_fw-la vocenque_fw-la svam_fw-la cum_fw-la sacerdotum_fw-la vocibus_fw-la coniungant_fw-la quae_fw-la admonitiones_fw-la iustissimae_fw-la erant_fw-la quamdoquidem_fw-la lingua_fw-la auditoribus_fw-la non_fw-la ignosa_fw-la omne_fw-la peragebantur_fw-la &_o consuetudo_fw-la ita_fw-la ferebat_fw-la ut_fw-la tota_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la simul_fw-la
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reason_n of_o state_n will_v not_o take_v so_o much_o pain_n i_o will_v do_v it_o for_o he_o the_o council_n therefore_o in_o the_o 25._o sess_n page_n 202._o decreeth_n in_o this_o manner_n the_o image_n of_o christ_n the_o virgin_n the_o mother_n of_o god_n and_o other_o saint_n be_v chief_o in_o church_n to_o be_v have_v and_o retain_v and_o due_a honour_n and_o veneration_n be_v to_o be_v give_v unto_o they_o not_o that_o it_o be_v believe_v there_o be_v in_o they_o any_o divinity_n or_o virtue_n for_o which_o they_o be_v to_o be_v worship_v or_o that_o any_o thing_n be_v to_o be_v ask_v of_o they_o or_o that_o confidence_n be_v to_o be_v put_v in_o they_o as_o in_o time_n past_o the_o gentile_n do_v who_o put_v their_o trust_n in_o idol_n but_o because_o the_o honour_n which_o be_v exhibit_v unto_o image_n be_v refer_v unto_o the_o prototipes_n which_o they_o represent_v so_o that_o by_o the_o image_n which_o we_o salute_v and_o before_o which_o we_o uncover_v our_o head_n and_o kneel_v we_o adore_v christ_n and_o reverence_n the_o saint_n who_o similitude_n they_o have_v that_o which_o by_o the_o decree_n of_o counsel_n especial_o of_o the_o second_o nicene_n synod_n have_v be_v establish_v against_o the_o oppugner_n of_o image_n thus_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n in_o which_o we_o find_v not_o one_o word_n either_o wicked_a or_o blasphemous_a nay_o rather_o every_o word_n sound_v nothing_o but_o piety_n and_o religion_n towards_o christ_n and_o his_o saint_n who_o it_o will_v have_v honour_v not_o only_o in_o themselves_o but_o also_o in_o and_o by_o their_o image_n which_o manner_n of_o honour_n as_o it_o be_v declare_v by_o the_o council_n be_v not_o only_o not_o contrary_a to_o scripture_n as_o sir_n humphrey_n false_o affirm_v but_o also_o very_o conformable_a to_o they_o both_o in_o regard_n the_o scripture_n make_v mention_n of_o honour_n due_a unto_o material_a thing_n for_o the_o relation_n of_o representation_n which_o they_o 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a_o very_a child_n may_v conceive_v it_o to_o be_v free_a from_o all_o superstitious_a worship_n and_o adoration_n in_o so_o much_o that_o it_o be_v but_o gross_a ignorance_n malice_n and_o madness_n in_o our_o adversary_n to_o exclaim_v against_o the_o romanist_n as_o idolater_n for_o the_o honour_n they_o give_v to_o image_n and_o i_o will_v fain_o know_v of_o sir_n humphrey_n or_o any_o other_o of_o his_o reform_a companion_n in_o what_o place_n of_o scripture_n this_o proposition_n the_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o saint_n be_v to_o be_v du_o honour_v be_v condemn_v for_o wicked_a &_o blasphemous_a and_o the_o same_o i_o say_v of_o the_o ancient_a father_n and_o if_o they_o can_v produce_v as_o much_o as_o one_o only_a place_n either_o out_o of_o scripture_n or_o father_n which_o do_v true_o serve_v to_o that_o purpose_n i_o mean_v which_o do_v true_o condemn_v the_o foresay_a proposition_n in_o that_o manner_n as_o i_o know_v neither_o they_o nor_o the_o knight_n can_v perform_v let_v he_o confess_v that_o be_v censure_n of_o the_o romanist_n be_v temerarious_a and_o false_a and_o nothing_o else_o but_o a_o renovation_n of_o a_o old_a jewish_a complaint_n against_o the_o christian_n of_o more_o ancient_a age_n it_o be_v true_a i_o know_v the_o reformer_n use_v common_o to_o allege_v for_o their_o denial_n of_o honour_n to_o image_n both_o scripture_n and_o father_n as_o also_o sir_n humphrey_n do_v in_o this_o paragraffe_v and_o particular_o they_o use_v to_o produce_v the_o word_n of_o that_o which_o they_o call_v the_o second_o cammaundement_n to_o wit_n thou_o shall_v not_o make_v to_o thyself_o any_o grave_a image_n but_o touch_v this_o i_o have_v show_v above_o period_n in_o the_o 4._o period_n that_o according_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o s._n augustin_n there_o be_v no_o such_o second_o commandment_n those_o word_n be_v only_o a_o part_n of_o the_o first_o secondlie_o howsoever_o the_o matter_n stand_v certain_a it_o be_v that_o except_o the_o 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the_o reform_a doctor_n common_o do_v which_o place_n never_o the_o less_o seclude_v their_o own_o gloss_n upon_o they_o do_v not_o in_o any_o sort_n favore_fw-la their_o cause_n and_o so_o sir_n hunfrey_n instead_o of_o father_n he_o cite_v jew_n and_o gentile_n in_o who_o doctrine_n touch_v this_o point_n he_o show_v himself_o to_o be_v more_o conversant_a then_o in_o christian_a writer_n as_o find_v more_o for_o his_o purpose_n in_o they_o then_o in_o these_o and_o therefore_o also_o as_o i_o imagine_v he_o use_v no_o other_o answer_n to_o bellarmin_n affirm_v that_o the_o make_n of_o image_n be_v not_o absolute_o prohibit_v by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n because_o god_n command_v image_n to_o be_v make_v the_o knight_n i_o say_v use_v no_o other_o anser_fw-la than_o the_o anser_fw-la of_o the_o jew_n to_o wit_n that_o god_n do_v lay_v a_o general_a command_n upon_o they_o and_o not_o upon_o himself_o and_o so_o i_o say_v no_o more_o of_o it_o but_o leave_v to_o the_o reader_n to_o 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teach_v in_o that_o matter_n it_o can_v not_o argue_v any_o disagreement_n from_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o romanist_n in_o this_o particular_a the_o knight_n also_o citete_v bellarmin_n &_o canus_n but_o i_o have_v before_o sufficient_o declare_v their_o meaning_n in_o a_o other_o occasion_n and_o as_o for_o canus_n he_o by_o labour_v to_o establish_v his_o own_o singular_a opinion_n that_o matrimony_n be_v no_o sacrament_n but_o only_o a_o civil_a contract_n except_o it_o be_v celebrate_v by_o a_o priest_n with_o sacred_a &_o solemn_a word_n as_o he_o be_v a_o ecclesiastical_a minister_n only_o allege_v the_o uncertainty_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o divine_n touch_v the_o determinate_a matter_n &_o form_n of_o that_o sacrament_n and_o about_o the_o manner_n how_o it_o give_v grace_n or_o rather_o when_o it_o give_v grace_n &_o when_o it_o do_v not_o by_o reason_n he_o hold_v it_o uncertain_a among_o divine_n whether_o it_o be_v a_o sacrament_n or_o not_o except_o in_o those_o case_n in_o which_o it_o be_v celebrate_v by_o the_o priest_n &_o by_o consequence_n he_o hold_v it_o uncertain_a among_o divine_n whether_o in_o those_o occasion_n it_o confer_v grace_n to_o the_o receiver_n which_o he_o will_v not_o have_v for_o a_o matter_n of_o faith_n nor_o yet_o more_o than_o the_o more_o common_a opinion_n 5._o si_fw-mi hoc_fw-la matrimonium_fw-la inquam_fw-la argumententur_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la non_fw-la esse_fw-la tunc_fw-la catholicus_n respondeat_fw-la fidenter_fw-la animose_n defendat_fw-la secure_a contra_fw-la pugnet_fw-la canus_n l._n 8._o c._n 5._o &_o therefore_o he_o say_v nego_fw-la scholae_fw-la certo_fw-la constantique_fw-la decreto_fw-la definitum_fw-la matrimonium_fw-la sine_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la ministro_fw-la contractum_fw-la esse_fw-la veer_fw-la &_o proprie_fw-la sacrnmeneum_fw-la nego_fw-la eam_fw-la rem_fw-la ad_fw-la fidem_fw-la &_o religionem_fw-la pertinere_fw-la yet_o notwithstanding_o all_o divine_v agree_v &_o canus_n with_o 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