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bell._n lib._n 4._o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n ca._n 2._o canus_n lib._n 1_o 5._o de_fw-fr locis_fw-la c._n 5._o q._n 4._o and_o also_o that_o the_o pope_n do_v err_v in_o those_o breve_n upon_o false_a information_n and_o supposition_n to_o wit_n for_o that_o he_o suppose_v his_o primacy_n in_o spiritual_n his_o power_n to_o bind_v and_o lose_v to_o excommunicate_v and_o inflict_v censure_n to_o be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n which_o be_v manifest_o false_a &_o that_o his_o power_n to_o depose_v prince_n be_v most_o certain_a and_o of_o faith_n and_o not_o question_v among_o catholic_n which_o be_v no_o less_o untrue_a be_v sufficient_o convince_v by_o he_o in_o his_o theological_a disputation_n câ—teâ—_n disputation_n in_o the_o place_n above_o câ—teâ—_n and_o in_o his_o answer_n to_o mr._n fitzherbert_n 3.6.17_o fitzherbert_n part_n 3.6.17_o sect._n 16._o objection_n a_o four_o difficulty_n i_o find_v say_v you_o about_o the_o swear_n that_o this_o oath_n be_v minister_v unto_o i_o by_o 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