Selected quad for the lemma: sense_n

Word A Word B Word C Word D Occurrence Frequency Band MI MI Band Prominent
sense_n word_n work_n young_a 39 3 5.6633 4 false
View all documents for the selected quad

Text snippets containing the quad

ID Title Author Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication) STC Words Pages
A95338 Truths conflict with error. Or, Universall redemption controverted, in three publike disputations. The first between M. John Goodwin, and M. Vavasour Powell, in Coleman-street London. The other two between M. John Goodwin, and M. John Simpson, at Alhallowes the great in Thames-street: in the presence of divers ministers of the City of London, and thousands of others. Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665.; Weekes, John.; Powell, Vavasor, 1617-1670.; Simpson, John, 17th cent. 1650 (1650) Wing T3167B; Thomason E597_2; ESTC R202232 95,080 122

There are 13 snippets containing the selected quad. | View original text

decree_n such_o as_o be_v take_v up_o in_o time_n this_o be_v absolute_o deny_v before_o but_o this_o be_v that_o which_o i_o say_v that_o if_o you_o will_v understand_v the_o place_n of_o the_o person_n of_o jacob_n and_o esau_n for_o in_o the_o process_n of_o the_o discourse_n i_o will_v have_v grant_v you_o that_o though_o it_o be_v more_o than_o the_o place_n will_v afford_v and_o that_o place_n in_o genesis_n be_v direct_o contrary_a to_o it_o for_o it_o be_v speak_v of_o two_o nation_n two_o nation_n be_v in_o thy_o womb_n and_o two_o manner_n of_o people_n shall_v be_v separate_v from_o thy_o bowel_n yet_o whether_o you_o respect_v the_o two_o nation_n or_o the_o two_o head_n of_o these_o nation_n to_o wit_n jacob_n and_o esau_n the_o apostle_n do_v not_o speak_v of_o they_o here_o either_o under_o any_o consideration_n or_o relation_n to_o their_o person_n nor_o simple_o to_o their_o posterity_n but_o he_o speak_v of_o they_o as_o of_o type_n and_o figure_n of_o god_n different_a dispensation_n whereby_o he_o do_v declare_v and_o teach_v the_o nation_n of_o the_o jew_n both_o in_o abraham_n family_n in_o the_o case_n of_o ishmael_n and_o isaac_n and_o in_o isaac_n family_n in_o the_o case_n of_o jacob_n and_o esau_n the_o doctrine_n of_o justification_n by_o faith_n which_o be_v the_o great_a doctrine_n dispute_v and_o depend_v between_o he_o and_o the_o jew_n and_o if_o you_o mind_n the_o argument_n you_o will_v see_v that_o he_o argue_v very_o plain_o and_o evident_o they_o be_v not_o all_o israel_n say_v he_o which_o be_v of_o israel_n neither_o because_o they_o be_v the_o seed_n of_o abraham_n be_v they_o all_o child_n that_o be_v they_o be_v not_o all_o heir_n of_o heaven_n that_o be_v the_o natural_a seed_n of_o abraham_n but_o in_o isaac_n shall_v thy_o seed_n be_v call_v that_o be_v those_o shall_v be_v count_v for_o the_o seed_n of_o abraham_n who_o shall_v inherit_v that_o shall_v be_v beget_v and_o bear_v after_o the_o manner_n of_o isaac_n which_o be_v by_o promise_n for_o so_o he_o be_v bear_v by_o force_n and_o virtue_n of_o a_o promise_n which_o be_v this_o at_o this_o time_n will_v i_o come_v and_o sarah_n shall_v have_v a_o son_n and_o therefore_o say_v he_o god_n do_v intend_v by_o this_o to_o show_v that_o those_o only_a shall_v be_v the_o seed_n of_o abraham_n who_o shall_v inherit_v atexikin_n that_o shall_v be_v bear_v not_o of_o the_o law_n the_o bondwoman_n but_o of_o the_o promise_n which_o be_v make_v to_o the_o world_n in_o jesus_n christ_n and_o this_o be_v signify_v in_o abraham_n family_n in_o ishmael_n the_o son_n of_o the_o bondwoman_n and_o in_o isaac_n the_o son_n of_o the_o freewoman_n and_o not_o only_o so_o mark_v it_o but_o when_o rebecca_n also_o have_v conceive_v by_o one_o even_o by_o our_o father_n isaac_n before_o the_o child_n be_v bear_v or_o have_v do_v either_o good_a or_o evil_n it_o be_v say_v unto_o she_o the_o elder_a shall_v serve_v the_o young_a as_o if_o he_o have_v say_v god_n do_v not_o only_o teach_v this_o doctrine_n of_o justification_n by_o faith_n in_o opposition_n to_o justification_n by_o the_o work_v of_o the_o law_n in_o the_o family_n of_o abraham_n and_o in_o the_o person_n of_o ishmael_n and_o isaac_n the_o one_o be_v a_o child_n of_o promise_n and_o the_o other_o a_o son_n of_o the_o bondwoman_n but_o much_o more_o do_v he_o teach_v it_o in_o the_o family_n of_o isaac_n in_o the_o case_n and_o under_o the_o type_n of_o rebecca_n two_o son_n jacob_n and_o esau_n and_o the_o meaning_n of_o this_o phrase_n and_o not_o only_o this_o be_v clear_o this_o whereas_o the_o jew_n may_v find_v some_o exception_n against_o that_o instance_n which_o paul_n have_v bring_v in_o abraham_n family_n to_o wit_n the_o example_n of_o ishmael_n it_o be_v true_a might_n the_o say_v he_o be_v reject_v by_o god_n and_o look_v upon_o as_o a_o stranger_n and_o isaac_n he_o be_v make_v the_o heir_n but_o it_o be_v because_o ishmael_n be_v a_o rough_a fellow_n and_o a_o ungracious_a son_n and_o the_o like_a but_o isaac_n he_o be_v a_o darling_n child_n now_o because_o the_o jew_n be_v ready_a thus_o to_o object_n against_o that_o therefore_o paul_n come_v upon_o they_o and_o back_n his_o former_a argument_n with_o another_o instance_n against_o which_o there_o lie_v no_o exception_n in_o the_o least_o and_o not_o only_o this_o which_o be_v as_o if_o he_o have_v say_v thus_o i_o know_v you_o will_v be_v apt_a to_o quarrel_v against_o what_o i_o now_o say_v but_o i_o will_v produce_v you_o another_o instance_n against_o which_o you_o shall_v have_v nothing_o to_o say_v it_o be_v true_a ishmael_n he_o be_v the_o son_n of_o hagar_n the_o bondwoman_n and_o isaac_n he_o be_v the_o son_n of_o the_o freewoman_n and_o therefore_o you_o will_v be_v ready_a to_o say_v there_o be_v great_a reason_n why_o ishmael_n shall_v be_v reject_v for_o come_v of_o the_o bondwoman_n he_o have_v no_o right_n to_o the_o inheritance_n but_o isaac_n who_o come_v of_o the_o freewoman_n he_o have_v but_o now_o say_v the_o apostle_n i_o will_v bring_v you_o another_o instance_n against_o which_o you_o shall_v have_v no_o such_o thing_n to_o object_n and_o that_o be_v of_o rebecca_n she_o also_o conceive_v by_o one_o even_o by_o our_o father_n isaac_n now_o you_o can_v say_v that_o esau_n and_o jacob_n be_v bear_v the_o one_o of_o the_o freewoman_n and_o the_o other_o of_o the_o bond_n and_o yet_o before_o they_o be_v bear_v that_o the_o purpose_n of_o god_n according_a to_o election_n may_v stand_v not_o of_o work_n but_o of_o he_o that_o call_v it_o be_v say_v unto_o she_o the_o elder_a etc._n etc._n the_o meaning_n clear_o be_v this_o that_o the_o purpose_n of_o god_n according_a to_o election_n may_v stand_v that_o be_v that_o the_o decree_n or_o purpose_n of_o god_n concern_v those_o who_o he_o will_v elect_v unto_o life_n and_o salvation_n and_o make_v choice_n of_o to_o inherit_v that_o this_o purpose_n of_o he_o may_v stand_v that_o be_v that_o it_o may_v appear_v to_o stand_v and_o be_v declare_v to_o be_v firm_a unalterable_a and_o unchangeable_a therefore_o he_o bring_v in_o the_o case_n of_o the_o two_o son_n of_o isaac_n esau_n and_o jacob_n before_o they_o be_v yet_o bear_v or_o have_v do_v good_a or_o evil_n the_o apostle_n bring_v in_o this_o by_o way_n of_o answer_n to_o that_o objection_n which_o the_o jew_n may_v make_v which_o be_v as_o if_o he_o shall_v say_v you_o can_v say_v here_o that_o the_o one_o of_o these_o be_v a_o ungracious_a son_n and_o the_o other_o towards_o and_o gracious_a but_o before_o they_o be_v bear_v or_o have_v do_v good_a or_o evil_n it_o be_v say_v this_o be_v the_o oracle_n from_o heaven_n that_o the_o elder_a shall_v serve_v the_o young_a that_o be_v that_o justification_n by_o faith_n the_o young_a brother_n that_o be_v the_o latter_a covenant_n the_o new_a way_n or_o covenant_n of_o life_n which_o god_n have_v establish_v with_o the_o world_n this_o shall_v have_v the_o preeminency_n and_o take_v place_n and_z the_o elder_a brother_n that_o be_v the_o old_a way_n of_o justification_n by_o work_n this_o shall_v be_v servile_a to_o it_o of_o which_o two_o covenant_n esau_n and_o jacob_n be_v type_n mr_n ames_n sir_n i_o have_v only_o one_o word_n humble_o to_o present_v unto_o you_o after_o this_o large_a exposition_n of_o rom._n 9_o which_o be_v to_o entreat_v your_o sense_n in_o this_o whether_o the_o holy_a ghost_n in_o this_o place_n where_o paul_n speak_v of_o jacob_n and_o esau_n quote_v out_o of_o genesis_n make_v this_o particular_a serviceable_a to_o the_o ancient_a decree_n that_o the_o elder_a shall_v serve_v the_o young_a found_v upon_o that_o eternal_a maxim_n that_o the_o decree_n of_o god_n according_a to_o election_n shall_v stand_v whether_o this_o discourse_n of_o the_o apostle_n bring_v down_o this_o ancient_a decree_n through_o several_a family_n and_o show_v it_o in_o the_o person_n of_o jacob_n and_o esau_n do_v not_o demonstrate_v that_o the_o decree_n of_o god_n do_v take_v particular_a notice_n and_o be_v determine_v upon_o particular_a person_n mr_n goodw._n i_o say_v the_o decree_n of_o god_n respect_v particular_a person_n but_o not_o under_o a_o particular_a consideration_n mr_n symps_n yes_o under_o a_o particular_a consideration_n and_o my_o argument_n be_v this_o if_o the_o decree_n of_o god_n do_v respect_n esau_n and_o jacob_n than_o they_o respect_v particular_a person_n but_o here_o be_v a_o decree_n of_o election_n and_o reprobation_n which_o do_v respect_v the_o person_n of_o jacob_n and_o esau_n ergo._n mr_n goodw._n if_o you_o have_v put_v your_o argument_n into_o such_o term_n that_o my_o former_a answer_n need_v not_o to_o have_v be_v repeat_v i_o will_v
of_o his_o son_n the_o salvation_n of_o all_o man_n m._n powell_n your_o argument_n depend_v upon_o the_o word_n world_n suppose_v it_o to_o be_v take_v in_o a_o uniform_a sense_n m._n lordell_n if_o it_o please_v you_o sir_n deny_v one_o of_o the_o proposition_n m._n powell_n i_o deny_v your_o minor_a if_o by_o the_o world_n you_o mean_v all_o adam_n posterity_n m._n goodwin_n very_o well_o i_o prove_v it_o thus_o either_o by_o the_o world_n here_o must_v be_v mean_v all_o adam_n posterity_n or_o particular_o those_o who_o you_o call_v in_o your_o language_n the_o elect_a of_o god_n but_o by_o the_o world_n be_v not_o mean_v only_o the_o elect_n of_o god_n in_o your_o sense_n and_o therefore_o by_o the_o world_n be_v mean_v all_o mankind_n without_o exception_n m._n powell_n i_o may_v deny_v both_o your_o proposition_n m._n goodwin_n repeat_v they_o and_o then_o deny_v they_o m._n powell_n repeat_v the_o argument_n and_o answer_v thus_o first_o your_o major_a proposition_n the_o world_n be_v take_v in_o scripture_n not_o only_o for_o all_o the_o world_n that_o be_v every_o particular_a man_n and_o for_o all_o the_o elect_n but_o several_a other_o way_n but_o i_o come_v to_o your_o minor_a and_o say_v that_o by_o the_o world_n in_o this_o place_n be_v mean_v the_o elect_n of_o god_n m._n goodwin_n if_o by_o the_o world_n be_v mean_v the_o elect_n of_o god_n only_o than_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o place_n must_v run_v thus_o so_o god_n love_v the_o elect_a of_o god_n that_o whosoever_o of_o these_o elect_n of_o god_n shall_v believe_v they_o shall_v not_o perish_v but_o etc._n etc._n which_o clear_o imply_v that_o some_o of_o the_o elect_a of_o god_n will_v not_o believe_v and_o so_o consequent_o may_v perish_v but_o this_o be_v to_o put_v a_o nonsense_n upon_o the_o place_n and_o to_o destroy_v the_o savour_n that_o be_v in_o it_o and_o therefore_o can_v be_v the_o sense_n of_o it_o as_o take_v in_o this_o argument_n that_o which_o destroy_v the_o construction_n of_o the_o sentence_n and_o the_o savour_n which_o be_v in_o it_o which_o alone_o be_v fit_a to_o feed_v the_o understanding_n of_o a_o man_n that_o can_v be_v the_o sense_n of_o the_o place_n but_o now_o to_o understand_v the_o word_n world_n in_o this_o place_n of_o the_o elect_a only_o it_o make_v the_o sense_n altogether_o unprofitable_a and_o senseless_a ergo_fw-la m._n powell_n to_o this_o argument_n i_o answer_v that_o this_o may_v be_v the_o sense_n of_o the_o word_n world_n and_o the_o word_n may_v as_o well_o be_v read_v thus_o so_o god_n love_v his_o elect_n that_o he_o give_v etc._n etc._n that_o such_o and_o such_o may_v be_v save_v that_o be_v that_o they_o for_o who_o he_o give_v jesus_n christ_n may_v believe_v and_o so_o be_v save_v for_o the_o lord_n do_v not_o only_o love_v they_o but_o he_o intend_v to_o bring_v they_o to_o believe_v and_o so_o the_o extend_v of_o his_o love_n and_o of_o believe_v they_o be_v as_o large_a the_o one_o as_o the_o other_o god_n so_o love_v the_o elect_n that_o he_o will_v give_v they_o faith_n and_o save_v they_o m._n goodwin_n i_o do_v not_o understand_v your_o answer_n but_o either_o you_o mean_v by_o the_o world_n the_o elect_n only_o or_o else_o more_o than_o the_o elect_n or_o all_o mankind_n in_o general_a but_o say_v i_o neither_o of_o the_o former_a sense_n can_v be_v mean_v neither_o the_o elect_a only_o nor_o some_o other_o beside_o the_o elect_n but_o only_o the_o whole_a posterity_n of_o adam_n m._n powell_n i_o say_v by_o the_o word_n world_n in_o this_o place_n be_v mean_v the_o elect_a only_o because_o the_o evangelist_n say_v god_n so_o love_v the_o world_n he_o put_v a_o so_o upon_o it_o now_o you_o never_o find_v that_o god_n in_o scripture_n be_v say_v to_o love_v all_o the_o posterity_n of_o adam_n with_o such_o a_o love_n which_o be_v here_o call_v a_o love_a of_o they_o so_o and_o which_o be_v call_v in_o eph._n 2._o a_o great_a love_n m._n goodwin_n the_o scripture_n hold_v forth_o a_o twofold_a love_n of_o god_n first_o a_o general_a love_n which_o be_v attribute_v to_o he_o in_o respect_n of_o all_o his_o creature_n and_o second_o a_o more_o particular_a and_o special_a love_n that_o be_v to_o those_o who_o have_v behave_v themselves_o according_a to_o his_o will_n and_o word_n by_o believe_v in_o his_o son_n and_o so_o by_o faith_n and_o holiness_n continue_v to_o the_o end_n and_o whereas_o you_o conceive_v that_o this_o particle_n so_o here_o in_o the_o text_n be_v only_o augmentative_a that_o it_o only_o declare_v the_o greatness_n of_o the_o love_n of_o god_n this_o i_o absolute_o deny_v for_o together_o with_o the_o greatness_n of_o this_o love_n it_o do_v modify_v and_o restrain_v it_o and_o reduce_v it_o to_o this_o form_n and_o tenor_n of_o love_n it_o be_v not_o say_v simple_o so_o god_n love_v the_o world_n that_o he_o give_v his_o son_n that_o all_o the_o world_n shall_v be_v save_v then_o indeed_o it_o have_v be_v only_o augmentative_a but_o mark_v the_o condition_n which_o come_v in_o upon_o which_o god_n love_v the_o world_n and_o intend_v to_o save_v it_o viz._n that_o whosoever_o believe_v shall_v be_v save_v which_o show_v that_o this_o particle_n so_o be_v not_o only_o intensive_a and_o do_v not_o only_o stand_v there_o to_o declare_v the_o greatness_n and_o transcendency_n of_o the_o love_n of_o god_n to_o the_o world_n but_o the_o tenor_n and_o the_o limitation_n of_o it_o how_o and_o upon_o what_o term_v god_n love_v the_o world_n viz._n that_o he_o give_v his_o son_n jesus_n christ_n so_o and_o upon_o such_o term_n only_o that_o whosoever_o believe_v in_o he_o shall_v not_o perish_v but_o have_v everlasting_a life_n m._n powell_n you_o affirm_v these_o two_o thing_n that_o there_o be_v a_o general_a and_o a_o special_a love_n in_o god_n and_o when_o you_o speak_v of_o the_o general_a you_o speak_v of_o it_o as_o extend_v to_o all_o the_o creature_n but_o second_o when_o you_o speak_v of_o a_o special_a love_n you_o seem_v to_o say_v that_o it_o be_v not_o a_o special_a love_n which_o this_o word_n so_o hold_v out_o but_o i_o say_v this_o be_v a_o special_a love_n my_o reason_n be_v this_o because_o the_o apostle_n when_o he_o speak_v of_o this_o very_a love_n in_o the_o 5._o of_o the_o rom._n he_o say_v that_o god_n commend_v his_o love_n towards_o we_o that_o whilst_o we_o be_v yet_o sinner_n christ_n die_v for_o we_o this_o scripture_n explain_v the_o other_o and_o this_o must_v of_o necessity_n be_v special_a love_n m._n goodwin_n if_o by_o special_a you_o mean_v great_a and_o wonderful_a and_o so_o forth_o so_o i_o grant_v it_o be_v a_o special_a love_n but_o if_o you_o mean_v such_o a_o love_n or_o affection_n in_o god_n which_o be_v express_v or_o bear_v by_o he_o towards_o those_o that_o do_v actual_o believe_v so_o that_o place_n in_o the_o roman_n do_v not_o hold_v forth_o or_o speak_v of_o any_o such_o love_n for_o the_o love_n of_o god_n be_v general_a and_o he_o commend_v it_o exceed_o and_o marvellous_o herein_o but_o yet_o it_o be_v a_o love_n so_o limit_v and_o qualify_v by_o god_n that_o no_o person_n shall_v partake_v of_o the_o fruit_n of_o it_o but_o those_o that_o shall_v believe_v and_o further_o this_o condition_n which_o god_n put_v upon_o the_o partake_n of_o the_o fruit_n of_o his_o love_n do_v not_o represent_v his_o love_n the_o less_o commendable_a or_o less_o worthy_a of_o he_o god_n do_v not_o show_v himself_o less_o love_v hereby_o but_o only_o declare_v himself_o herein_o to_o be_v a_o god_n as_o well_o of_o wisdom_n as_o of_o love_n and_o it_o be_v his_o wisdom_n that_o do_v moderate_a and_o steer_v all_o his_o attribute_n in_o all_o their_o issue_n and_o go_n forth_o unto_o the_o world_n now_o it_o have_v not_o be_v a_o love_n worthy_a of_o god_n so_o infinite_a in_o wisdom_n and_o goodness_n towards_o those_o who_o you_o call_v the_o elect_n that_o they_o shall_v partake_v of_o the_o benefit_n of_o this_o love_n but_o in_o and_o by_o and_o upon_o their_o believe_v m._n powell_n from_o this_o i_o gather_v two_o thing_n first_o that_o the_o special_a love_n of_o god_n be_v towards_o man_n that_o be_v believer_n and_o that_o upon_o condition_n of_o believe_v and_o second_o you_o say_v that_o that_o be_v the_o meaning_n of_o the_o apostle_n in_o the_o roman_n m._n goodwin_n no_o that_o i_o do_v not_o but_o the_o contrary_a and_o that_o it_o be_v the_o same_o with_o that_o which_o be_v here_o speak_v of_o for_o it_o be_v say_v that_o whilst_o we_o be_v yet_o sinner_n god_n send_v his_o son_n to_o die_v for_o we_o and_o i_o say_v that_o the_o intention_n of_o god_n in_o this_o love_n of_o he_o
and_o in_o the_o immediate_a expression_n of_o it_o in_o the_o gift_n of_o his_o son_n it_o be_v that_o man_n shall_v not_o partake_v of_o the_o complete_a fruit_n and_o benefit_n of_o it_o but_o upon_o the_o term_n and_o condition_n of_o believe_v m._n powell_n let_v we_o keep_v to_o this_o either_o the_o love_n of_o god_n be_v a_o special_a or_o common_a love_n if_o it_o be_v a_o special_a love_n than_o it_o be_v a_o love_n to_o all_o or_o unto_o some_o if_o to_o all_o than_o you_o must_v prove_v it_o if_o to_o some_o than_o it_o must_v be_v tie_v to_o the_o elect_a of_o god_n m._n goodwin_n i_o give_v you_o clear_o my_o sense_n before_o that_o there_o be_v a_o ambiguity_n in_o the_o word_n special_a if_o by_o that_o you_o mean_v great_a wonderful_a and_o admirable_a so_o as_o to_o affect_v the_o heart_n and_o to_o ravish_v the_o soul_n of_o man_n so_o both_o this_o and_o that_o in_o the_o roman_n be_v the_o special_a love_n of_o god_n but_o if_o you_o mean_v by_o it_o such_o a_o love_n or_o such_o expression_n of_o love_n from_o god_n which_o be_v peculiar_a and_o appropriate_a only_o to_o believer_n so_o i_o say_v the_o love_n of_o god_n be_v not_o mean_v neither_o in_o this_o place_n nor_o in_o that_o m._n powell_n i_o conceive_v that_o in_o both_o these_o place_n he_o mean_v a_o special_a love_n in_o the_o latter_a sense_n for_o the_o evangelist_n and_o the_o apostle_n do_v intend_v this_o special_a love_n to_o the_o elect_n and_o my_o reason_n be_v this_o because_o god_n in_o the_o scripture_n hold_v forth_o no_o special_a love_n at_o all_o but_o unto_o such_o person_n m._n goodwin_n you_o deny_v the_o conclusion_n for_o my_o conclusion_n be_v that_o it_o hold_v forth_o a_o special_a love_n m._n caryll_o that_o be_v not_o at_o all_o in_o the_o question_n whether_o the_o love_n of_o god_n be_v special_a as_o a_o great_a love_n or_o a_o small_a love_n but_o whether_o special_a be_v oppose_v to_o general_a m._n goodwin_n if_o by_o special_a he_o mean_v such_o a_o love_n which_o be_v express_v or_o bear_v by_o god_n towards_o those_o who_o be_v actual_a believer_n than_o i_o say_v it_o be_v not_o special_a m._n powell_n when_o i_o speak_v of_o special_a love_n i_o mean_v not_o special_a so_o as_o belong_v to_o actual_a believer_n only_o but_o unto_o those_o who_o believe_v as_o well_o de_fw-fr futuro_fw-la as_o de_fw-fr praesenti_fw-la m._n goodwin_n the_o scripture_n do_v not_o take_v knowledge_n or_o hold_v forth_o any_o special_a love_n in_o your_o sense_n to_o any_o but_o only_o unto_o those_o that_o be_v actual_a believer_n as_o for_o all_o other_o who_o you_o term_v the_o elect_a of_o god_n before_o their_o faith_n the_o scripture_n still_o wrap_v they_o up_o in_o the_o same_o general_a term_n of_o the_o world_n the_o whole_a world_n lie_v in_o wickedness_n say_v john_n now_o in_o this_o word_n world_n certain_o there_o be_v more_o elect_a in_o your_o sense_n that_o do_v afterward_o believer_n then_o at_o the_o present_a else_o all_o the_o labour_n and_o preach_v of_o the_o apostle_n have_v be_v in_o vain_a and_o therefore_o for_o the_o elect_a who_o do_v not_o actual_o believe_v they_o be_v not_o where_o present_v in_o the_o scripture_n as_o under_o part_n or_o fellowship_n of_o the_o special_a love_n of_o god_n which_o be_v appropriate_a to_o believer_n but_o they_o be_v bind_v up_o in_o the_o common_a bundle_n of_o the_o world_n and_o they_o be_v enemy_n to_o god_n and_o god_n a_o enemy_n to_o they_o in_o such_o a_o sense_n as_o to_o wicked_a man_n m._n powell_n give_v i_o leave_v to_o answer_v unto_o this_o you_o say_v that_o if_o we_o mean_v a_o special_a love_n that_o be_v such_o a_o love_n as_o god_n bear_v unto_o believer_n that_o then_o there_o be_v no_o such_o love_n in_o god_n but_o unto_o actual_a believer_n now_o i_o deny_v this_o and_o affirm_v that_o there_o be_v the_o same_o love_n in_o god_n towards_o other_o that_o be_v elect_v who_o be_v not_o believer_n as_o there_o be_v to_o those_o who_o actual_o believe_v and_o this_o i_o prove_v from_o two_o scripture_n jer._n 31._o 31._o i_o have_v love_v thou_o with_o a_o everlasting_a love_n and_o rom._n 9_o 11._o jacob_n have_v i_o love_v etc._n etc._n and_o now_o from_o hence_o i_o will_v argue_v thus_o that_o love_n which_o these_o two_o text_n hold_v forth_o it_o be_v a_o special_a love_n and_o it_o be_v towards_o person_n that_o be_v not_o actual_a believer_n m._n cranford_n m._n goodwin_n argument_n former_o be_v to_o this_o effect_n that_o the_o love_n of_o god_n be_v the_o motive_n to_o the_o give_v of_o christ_n be_v extend_v unto_o the_o world_n and_o therefore_o the_o give_v of_o christ_n must_v likewise_o concern_v the_o world_n m._n powell_n answer_n be_v that_o by_o the_o world_n be_v mean_v only_o the_o elect_a this_o be_v take_v away_o thus_o that_o such_o a_o construction_n of_o the_o word_n will_v take_v away_o the_o savour_n and_o sense_n of_o the_o scripture_n now_o m._n powell_n shall_v have_v give_v a_o answer_n to_o this_o and_o prove_v that_o the_o love_n of_o god_n in_o that_o place_n be_v mean_v of_o a_o special_a love_n now_o i_o desire_v you_o to_o have_v respect_n to_o this_o word_n world_n where_o your_o argument_n chief_o consist_v and_o prove_v that_o the_o word_n world_n in_o a_o narrow_a sense_n than_o the_o whole_a world_n take_v away_o the_o savour_n of_o the_o word_n m._n caryll_o m._n goodwin_n seem_v to_o conclude_v against_o any_o interpretation_n but_o only_o that_o of_o a_o universal_a because_o if_o it_o be_v take_v in_o any_o narrow_a you_o spoil_v the_o sense_n m._n drake_n let_v that_o be_v prove_v that_o it_o mar_v the_o sense_n m._n goodwin_n i_o beseech_v you_o consider_v the_o word_n god_n so_o love_v the_o world_n that_o he_o give_v his_o only_a beget_v son_n that_o whosoever_o etc._n etc._n now_o if_o by_o the_o world_n you_o will_v understand_v the_o elect_n than_o the_o sense_n must_v run_v thus_o god_n so_o love_v the_o elect_n that_o whosoever_o of_o these_o elect_n shall_v believe_v shall_v not_o perish_v etc._n etc._n for_o this_o word_n whosoever_o be_v a_o distributive_a word_n it_o must_v distribute_v some_o either_o the_o elect_a or_o all_o man_n therefore_o the_o meaning_n must_v needs_o be_v that_o god_n so_o love_v the_o world_n that_o whosoever_o they_o be_v whether_o elect_a or_o not_o elect_a that_o shall_v believe_v they_o shall_v be_v save_v and_o if_o you_o look_v your_o best_a expositor_n many_o of_o they_o do_v interpret_v the_o word_n world_n as_o i_o do_v universal_o musculus_fw-la and_o other_o m._n powell_n when_o m._n goodwin_n urge_v his_o argument_n i_o deny_v the_o major_a and_o minor_a proposition_n that_o the_o world_n be_v not_o take_v in_o that_o sense_n only_o m._n goodwin_n why_o who_o then_o do_v he_o mean_v by_o whosoever_o for_o that_o must_v needs_o relate_v to_o the_o person_n of_o man_n and_o if_o to_o man_n then_o to_o some_o man_n or_o to_o all_o man_n if_o you_o will_v not_o understand_v it_o so_o you_o make_v a_o absolute_a nonsense_n of_o it_o and_o put_v a_o pronoune_n without_o a_o adjective_n therefore_o this_o word_n whosoever_o must_v distribute_v either_o the_o elect_n or_o all_o man_n or_o else_o some_o middle_a sort_n of_o man_n between_o both_o m._n drake_n i_o desire_v you_o to_o bring_v a_o argument_n to_o prove_v it_o nonsense_n if_o by_o the_o world_n be_v mean_v the_o elect._n m._n goodwin_n mind_v the_o word_n again_o god_n so_o love_v the_o world_n that_o he_o give_v his_o only_a beget_v son_n that_o whosoever_o believe_v in_o he_o etc._n etc._n that_o which_o i_o be_o to_o prove_v be_v that_o to_o make_v sense_n of_o the_o place_n the_o word_n whosoever_o must_v distribute_v some_o man_n either_o the_o elect_a or_o all_o man_n or_o some_o other_o number_n of_o man_n between_o both_o if_o you_o deny_v that_o it_o must_v be_v distributive_a then_o find_v a_o substantive_n to_o the_o adjective_n who_o do_v god_n mean_v when_o he_o say_v whosoever_o do_v he_o not_o mean_v what_o man_n soever_o m._n powell_n i_o think_v whosoever_o and_o world_n be_v of_o the_o same_o signification_n and_o extent_n and_o i_o suppose_v by_o the_o world_n there_o be_v mean_v those_o that_o shall_v believe_v and_o not_o the_o world_n take_v as_o it_o be_v oft_o in_o scripture_n for_o all_o man_n i_o have_v give_v my_o reason_n why_o it_o can_v be_v understand_v but_o in_o the_o former_a sense_n for_o the_o elect._n m._n cranford_n answer_v punctual_o to_o m._n goodwin_n argument_n which_o be_v that_o the_o word_n whosoever_o be_v a_o distributive_a word_n divide_v the_o subject_n speak_v of_o into_o two_o part_n and_o therefore_o the_o word_n world_n must_v not_o be_v understand_v
of_o the_o elect_n except_o you_o say_v whosoever_o of_o the_o elect_n believe_v shall_v be_v save_v and_o whosoever_o of_o they_o believe_v not_o shall_v perish_v m._n goodwin_n if_o you_o will_v precise_o urge_v the_o sense_n of_o the_o participle_n which_o be_v the_o present_a tense_n than_o it_o will_v be_v thus_o whoever_o do_v now_o at_o the_o present_n believe_v he_o shall_v not_o perish_v and_o consequent_o you_o exclude_v all_o other_o answer_v no._n m._n goodwin_n then_o do_v not_o stick_v to_o the_o precise_a tense_n but_o whosoever_o do_v or_o shall_v at_o any_o time_n believe_v and_o suppose_v this_o to_o be_v your_o sense_n yet_o the_o same_o absurdity_n will_v follow_v if_o you_o admit_v any_o other_o sense_n of_o the_o word_n world_n but_o only_o the_o generality_n of_o mankind_n m._n powell_n for_o my_o part_n i_o have_v speak_v what_o be_v my_o judgement_n and_o conscience_n in_o the_o thing_n that_o the_o word_n may_v be_v render_v thus_o without_o destroy_v the_o sense_n of_o they_o god_n so_o love_v the_o world_n etc._n etc._n that_o whosoever_o believe_v or_o shall_v believe_v now_o whosoever_o that_o word_n may_v have_v relation_n to_o the_o world_n that_o be_v unto_o the_o elect_a world_n it_o may_v distribute_v it_o unto_o they_o and_o not_o destroy_v the_o sense_n m._n goodw._n do_v but_o see_v now_o and_o view_v it_o yourself_o whether_o this_o be_v a_o commodious_a sense_n worthy_a to_o fasten_v upon_o the_o holy_a ghost_n to_o speak_v at_o such_o a_o rate_n god_n so_o love_v the_o world_n of_o the_o elect_a that_o whosoever_o of_o the_o elect_a shall_v believe_v shall_v not_o perish_v but_o etc._n etc._n and_o whether_o this_o interpretation_n do_v not_o clear_o suppose_v that_o there_o be_v a_o possibility_n that_o some_o of_o these_o elect_n may_v perish_v wherefore_o else_o do_v he_o interpose_v that_o clause_n that_o whosoever_o believe_v shall_v not_o perish_v for_o take_v your_o notion_n of_o election_n there_o election_n give_v they_o a_o perfect_a and_o absolute_a right_n to_o salvation_n insomuch_o that_o there_o need_v neither_o die_v on_o christ_n part_n nor_o believe_v on_o their_o part_n to_o give_v they_o a_o right_a thereunto_o if_o they_o be_v elect_v from_o eternity_n what_o great_a or_o full_a title_n can_v there_o be_v to_o any_o creature_n or_o right_o to_o such_o a_o possession_n or_o inheritance_n as_o salvation_n be_v than_o the_o peremptory_a and_o absolute_a designation_n of_o god_n thereunto_o salvation_n be_v god_n to_o give_v to_o who_o he_o please_v and_o if_o he_o do_v it_o to_o any_o person_n simple_o and_o absolute_o as_o they_o be_v his_o elect_n they_o shall_v be_v save_v whether_o they_o believe_v or_o no_o i_o only_o add_v this_o to_o show_v the_o nonsense_n of_o such_o a_o construction_n of_o the_o word_n m._n powell_n to_o make_v it_o appear_v that_o it_o be_v not_o nonsense_n i_o illustrate_v it_o thus_o the_o parliament_n of_o england_n suppose_v they_o make_v such_o a_o promise_n to_o the_o army_n or_o unto_o other_o that_o whoever_o take_v the_o engagement_n they_o shall_v be_v protect_v by_o their_o power_n and_o so_o take_v of_o it_o they_o come_v under_o their_o protection_n but_o now_o will_v you_o say_v that_o of_o necessity_n it_o must_v be_v suppose_v here_o that_o some_o will_v deny_v to_o take_v this_o engagement_n m._n good_n i_o go_v along_o with_o your_o similitude_n so_o far_o that_o god_n make_v a_o proposition_n as_o the_o parliament_n to_o the_o army_n &_o other_o that_o be_v to_o all_o the_o world_n that_o whosoever_o take_v the_o engagement_n that_o be_v believe_v they_o shall_v be_v protect_v i.e._n they_o shall_v be_v save_v this_o now_o be_v savoury_n &_o have_v substance_n in_o it_o it_o feed_v the_o understanding_n of_o a_o man_n but_o now_o if_o the_o parliament_n have_v such_o a_o power_n over_o the_o will_n of_o some_o particular_a man_n as_o to_o cause_v they_o to_o take_v this_o engagement_n and_o know_v certain_o that_o no_o other_o will_v take_v it_o then_o to_o make_v such_o a_o proposal_n to_o they_o that_o whosoever_o will_v take_v it_o they_o shall_v be_v protect_v this_o will_v not_o be_v a_o proposition_n worthy_a of_o they_o m._n cranford_n the_o point_n which_o you_o be_v to_o prove_v be_v that_o there_o be_v a_o absurdity_n in_o this_o sense_n to_o say_v that_o god_n so_o love_v the_o elect_a that_o all_o the_o elect_a believe_v shall_v be_v save_v the_o ground_n which_o you_o give_v of_o the_o absurdity_n be_v this_o because_o according_a to_o the_o judgement_n of_o m._n powell_n the_o decree_n of_o election_n be_v such_o that_o there_o be_v no_o need_n of_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n nor_o believe_v to_o bring_v they_o to_o salvation_n m._n goodwin_n that_o be_v a_o thing_n which_o i_o add_v by_o the_o way_n but_o to_o pass_v that_o god_n have_v make_v such_o a_o decree_n that_o none_o though_o elect_v shall_v be_v save_v but_o in_o and_o through_o believe_v he_o have_v link_v together_o faith_n and_o election_n m._n john_n simpson_n i_o shall_v desire_v m._n powell_n be_v now_o to_o answer_v that_o he_o will_v not_o speak_v so_o large_o as_o he_o do_v but_o only_o deny_v m._n goodwin_n proposition_n and_o put_v he_o to_o prove_v it_o for_o the_o thing_n be_v yet_o to_o prove_v that_o there_o be_v nonsense_n in_o that_o say_n and_o it_o be_v that_o which_o i_o suppose_v will_v not_o be_v prove_v these_o seven_o year_n m._n goodwin_n if_o i_o have_v no_o sense_n nor_o taste_v of_o nonsense_n possible_o you_o may_v if_o not_o i_o can_v relieve_v you_o nor_o you_o i_o as_o yet_o and_o therefore_o let_v we_o read_v the_o word_n again_o so_o god_n love_v the_o world_n that_o etc._n etc._n that_o all_o believe_v in_o he_o shall_v not_o perish_v but_o etc._n etc._n now_o to_o make_v the_o word_n run_v thus_o or_o to_o give_v this_o sense_n of_o they_o so_o god_n love_v his_o elect_n that_o every_o one_o of_o these_o elect_n who_o shall_v believe_v or_o believe_v they_o shall_v not_o perish_v this_o i_o say_v be_v complete_a nonsense_n neither_o can_v you_o bring_v any_o instance_n out_o of_o the_o scripture_n nor_o from_o any_o approve_a author_n that_o be_v but_o in_o his_o common_a sense_n that_o do_v ever_o build_v such_o a_o piece_n of_o construction_n as_o this_o be_v m._n caryll_o i_o doubt_v not_o but_o there_o will_v be_v a_o very_a good_a sense_n in_o it_o to_o say_v thus_o that_o god_n so_o love_v the_o world_n that_o be_v the_o elect_a that_o whosoever_o believe_v or_o that_o all_o believe_v shall_v not_o perish_v but_o etc._n etc._n it_o be_v but_o the_o carry_v on_o of_o the_o same_o thing_n from_o one_o act_n unto_o another_o from_o the_o act_n of_o god_n unto_o the_o act_n of_o man_n the_o act_n of_o god_n be_v his_o love_n and_o the_o give_v of_o jesus_n christ_n for_o the_o redemption_n of_o his_o elect_a now_o because_o those_o shall_v never_o attain_v the_o end_n they_o shall_v never_o reach_v to_o that_o redemption_n which_o be_v intend_v for_o they_o without_o believe_v therefore_o christ_n put_v in_o that_o so_o that_o you_o must_v carry_v it_o on_o as_o to_o the_o complean_v of_o the_o person_n who_o shall_v inherit_v that_o estate_n m._n goodwin_n then_o you_o deny_v it_o to_o be_v a_o distributive_a particle_n m._n caryll_o it_o be_v a_o collective_a and_o not_o a_o distributive_a it_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d m._n cranford_n this_o do_v not_o only_o show_v the_o love_n of_o god_n but_o the_o limitation_n of_o his_o love_n now_o i_o take_v it_o it_o may_v be_v sense_n in_o that_o sense_n which_o you_o give_v of_o it_o god_n show_v his_o love_n to_o his_o elect_a in_o appoint_v they_o the_o mean_n of_o their_o salvation_n god_n modify_v that_o love_n in_o bring_v they_o to_o salvation_n through_o believe_v he_o so_o love_v his_o elect_a that_o all_o they_o by_o believe_v shall_v be_v save_v m._n goodwin_n the_o question_n be_v whether_o such_o a_o sense_n be_v savoury_a and_o whether_o it_o will_v stand_v with_o the_o word_n i_o say_v it_o be_v evident_a from_o the_o follow_a word_n that_o it_o can_v be_v the_o sense_n m._n powell_n if_o it_o please_v you_o you_o have_v speak_v what_o you_o think_v good_a in_o this_o particular_a and_o these_o have_v hear_v what_o have_v be_v say_v and_o therefore_o let_v we_o refer_v it_o to_o they_o and_o pass_v to_o another_o mr._n goodwin_n there_o be_v a_o great_a deal_n more_o yet_o to_o be_v say_v to_o it_o for_o either_o it_o be_v a_o distributive_a or_o else_o it_o have_v no_o manner_n of_o substantive_n or_o person_n that_o be_v imply_v in_o it_o for_o i_o will_v fain_o know_v what_o it_o signify_v or_o what_o you_o mean_v by_o it_o it_o be_v impossible_a for_o i_o to_o prove_v that_o
twice_o two_o make_v four_o so_o god_n love_v the_o world_n that_o the_o whole_a world_n believe_v shall_v be_v save_v bring_v i_o such_o a_o example_n from_o scripture_n or_o from_o any_o approve_a author_n wherein_o the_o subject_n distribute_v be_v necessary_o to_o partake_v of_o the_o benefit_n assign_v to_o he_o by_o such_o a_o distribution_n m._n cranford_n prove_v that_o it_o do_v distribute_v m._n goodwin_n either_o it_o do_v distribute_v or_o else_o you_o must_v grant_v that_o there_o be_v no_o substantive_n to_o the_o adjective_n m._n cranford_n be_v it_o not_o a_o great_a mercy_n that_o the_o covenant_n be_v alter_v from_o a_o covenant_n of_o work_n to_o a_o covenant_n of_o grace_n m._n goodwin_n no_o not_o in_o your_o sense_n of_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n but_o the_o hard_a measure_n that_o can_v be_v to_o the_o child_n of_o man_n m._n simpson_n it_o concern_v you_o to_o require_v of_o m._n goodwin_n to_o prove_v by_o a_o syllogism_n that_o your_o interpretation_n be_v nonsense_n otherwise_o you_o have_v do_v nothing_o but_o talk_v all_o this_o while_n m._n powell_n i_o suppose_v he_o have_v speak_v in_o plain_a term_n as_o much_o as_o he_o can_v put_v into_o a_o syllogism_n m._n goodwin_n then_o take_v it_o thus_o if_o by_o the_o world_n be_v mean_v the_o elect_n then_o there_o be_v a_o possibility_n that_o some_o of_o the_o elect_n may_v perish_v but_o there_o be_v no_o possibility_n that_o any_o of_o the_o elect_n shall_v perish_v and_o therefore_o by_o the_o word_n world_n be_v not_o mean_v the_o elect_n m._n powell_n i_o deny_v your_o consequence_n m._n goodwin_n either_o such_o a_o consequence_n must_v follow_v that_o some_o of_o the_o elect_n may_v perish_v or_o else_o this_o clause_n that_o whosoever_o believe_v shall_v not_o perish_v be_v impertinent_a and_o bear_v no_o manner_n of_o weight_n nor_o importance_n in_o it_o if_o there_o be_v a_o absolute_a necessity_n that_o the_o elect_n shall_v believe_v and_o be_v save_v then_o there_o be_v a_o superfluity_n of_o this_o clause_n whosoever_o believe_v shall_v not_o perish_v if_o god_n i_o say_v shall_v be_v suppose_v to_o have_v so_o love_v the_o elect_n or_o any_o certain_a number_n of_o man_n that_o he_o be_v resolve_v upon_o the_o account_n of_o this_o election_n of_o his_o that_o none_o of_o they_o shall_v perish_v than_o it_o will_v be_v find_v a_o mere_a impertinency_n or_o nonsense_n to_o put_v in_o such_o a_o exception_n or_o proviso_n as_o this_o that_o in_o case_n they_o believe_v they_o shall_v not_o perish_v for_o that_o i_o suppose_v be_v clear_o include_v in_o this_o when_o he_o say_v whosoever_o believe_v shall_v be_v save_v he_o intimate_v that_o whosoever_o do_v not_o believe_v shall_v perish_v and_o so_o it_o follow_v that_o some_o of_o the_o elect_n may_v perish_v m._n powell_n i_o deny_v the_o consequence_n of_o your_o major_a proposition_n m._n goodwin_n if_o no_o other_o sense_n nor_o import_n can_v be_v find_v out_o for_o these_o word_n shall_v not_o perish_v but_o only_o upon_o a_o supposition_n that_o some_o may_v perish_v than_o your_o interpretation_n of_o the_o word_n world_n for_o the_o elect_n can_v stand_v for_o it_o make_v nonsense_n of_o the_o place_n because_o it_o suppose_v that_o some_o of_o the_o elect_n may_v perish_v but_o in_o your_o sense_n it_o be_v impossible_a that_o any_o of_o they_o shall_v perish_v therefore_o that_o can_v be_v the_o sense_n and_o meaning_n of_o the_o word_n m._n venning_n m._n goodwin_n can_v prove_v his_o argument_n there_o be_v eternal_a life_n promise_v to_o they_o that_o be_v elect_v and_o believe_v be_v promise_v as_o well_o as_o eternal_a life_n therefore_o there_o be_v no_o implication_n that_o some_o of_o the_o elect_a shall_v not_o believe_v and_o so_o may_v perish_v m._n goodwin_n what_o be_v believe_v here_o promise_v as_o clear_o as_o eternal_a life_n upon_o believe_v its_o clear_a beside_o the_o truth_n m._n venning_n m._n goodwin_n can_v prove_v it_o therefore_o hold_v he_o to_o it_o m._n goodwin_n observe_v the_o word_n god_n so_o love_v the_o world_n that_o he_o give_v his_o only_a beget_v son_n that_o whosoever_o believe_v in_o he_o shall_v not_o perish_v but_o have_v everlasting_a life_n now_o if_o there_o be_v a_o necessity_n that_o all_o those_o that_o be_v elect_v mean_v by_o the_o world_n here_o as_o you_o say_v shall_v be_v save_v and_o that_o there_o be_v no_o possibility_n that_o any_o of_o they_o shall_v perish_v than_o this_o clause_n shall_v not_o perish_v be_v impertinent_a and_o the_o mind_n of_o christ_n will_v be_v every_o whit_n as_o complete_a and_o absolute_a if_o those_o word_n be_v leave_v out_o namely_o if_o the_o sentence_n be_v read_v thus_o god_n so_o love_v the_o elect_a that_o whosoever_o of_o they_o shall_v believe_v shall_v be_v save_v and_o so_o that_o clause_n shall_v not_o perish_v will_v be_v a_o mere_a absurdity_n m._n cranford_n m._n goodwin_n say_v that_o if_o by_o the_o world_n be_v mean_v the_o elect_a than_o that_o clause_n of_o not_o perish_v shall_v be_v in_o vain_a the_o reason_n be_v because_o the_o whole_a may_v as_o well_o be_v comprehend_v in_o these_o word_n they_o shall_v have_v eternal_a life_n m._n powell_n if_o it_o please_v you_o m._n goodwin_n i_o conceive_v that_o such_o a_o consequence_n can_v be_v deduct_v from_o the_o text_n that_o because_o the_o lord_n add_v whosoever_o believe_v shall_v be_v save_v that_o therefore_o there_o be_v a_o possibility_n that_o some_o of_o they_o may_v perish_v do_v not_o the_o apostle_n when_o he_o speak_v of_o assurance_n urge_v man_n to_o give_v all_o diligence_n to_o make_v their_o call_n and_o election_n sure_a do_v the_o exhortation_n hold_v forth_o any_o such_o thing_n that_o therefore_o it_o be_v possible_a for_o they_o to_o fall_v because_o he_o thus_o exhort_v they_o m._n goodwin_n i_o beseech_v you_o show_v i_o what_o import_n or_o sense_n more_o there_o be_v in_o that_o clause_n shall_v not_o perish_v then_o there_o will_v be_v in_o case_n it_o be_v whole_o omit_v and_o leave_v out_o or_o whether_o in_o say_v god_n so_o love_v the_o elect_a that_o every_o of_o they_o believe_v shall_v have_v eternal_a life_n whether_o i_o say_v there_o be_v not_o as_o much_o in_o that_o clause_n as_o there_o be_v now_o this_o be_v put_v in_o m._n cran._n we_o may_v consider_v the_o redemption_n wrought_v by_o jesus_n christ_n as_o complèt_v in_o two_o thing_n in_o deliver_v we_o from_o the_o wrath_n and_o curse_n and_o in_o intitle_v of_o we_o to_o that_o life_n and_o grace_n from_o which_o we_o be_v fall_v so_o he_o say_v that_o every_o believer_n shall_v be_v deliver_v from_o wrath_n and_o shall_v have_v a_o repossession_n and_o right_a again_o unto_o that_o life_n and_o salvation_n from_o whence_o he_o be_v fall_v m._n goodwin_n but_o the_o question_n be_v whether_o there_o be_v not_o non-perishing_a include_v as_o well_o in_o those_o word_n shall_v have_v everlasting_a life_n as_o if_o the_o other_o word_n shall_v not_o perish_v be_v put_v in_o m._n caryll_o we_o may_v look_v upon_o it_o as_o confirmative_a that_o god_n shall_v express_v it_o both_o in_o the_o negative_a and_o affirmative_a m._n goodwin_n if_o there_o be_v a_o sense_n wherein_o we_o may_v find_v more_o of_o the_o wisdom_n of_o god_n it_o be_v not_o for_o we_o to_o strike_v it_o out_o neither_o be_v there_o any_o reason_n that_o we_o shall_v make_v god_n speak_v tautology_n when_o there_o be_v a_o fair_a sense_n of_o the_o word_n to_o be_v find_v out_o m._n drak_fw-mi god_n may_v but_o have_v make_v this_o promise_n that_o whosoever_o believe_v shall_v not_o perish_v and_o this_o have_v be_v great_a mercy_n and_o infinite_a love_n but_o to_o add_v that_o he_o shall_v have_v everlasting_a life_n this_o be_v ex_fw-la abundanti_fw-la he_o may_v have_v deliver_v man_n from_o hell_n and_o not_o have_v bring_v they_o to_o heaven_n m._n goodwin_n but_o be_v it_o possible_a for_o god_n to_o preserve_v a_o creature_n from_o perish_v and_o not_o to_o give_v he_o everlasting_a life_n not_o perish_v do_v include_v in_o it_o preservation_n in_o life_n and_o be_v m._n powell_n let_v we_o not_o think_v because_o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v please_v to_o use_v several_a expression_n to_o strengthen_v our_o faith_n in_o a_o thing_n that_o therefore_o it_o be_v needless_a to_o be_v add_v m._n goodwin_n i_o do_v not_o say_v it_o be_v needless_a to_o be_v add_v it_o be_v you_o that_o make_v it_o needless_a and_o for_o any_o man_n to_o say_v that_o the_o holy_a ghost_n speak_v tautology_n when_o we_o can_v find_v heavenly_a matter_n in_o the_o word_n this_o be_v contrary_n to_o the_o duty_n of_o a_o interpreter_n m._n cranf_n you_o have_v spend_v much_o time_n in_o this_o thing_n m._n goodwin_n say_v that_o if_o by_o the_o world_n
be_v mean_v the_o elect_a then_o either_o it_o be_v possible_a that_o some_o of_o the_o elect_n may_v perish_v or_o else_o there_o be_v no_o weight_n or_o import_n to_o be_v find_v in_o these_o word_n shall_v not_o perish_v more_o then_o be_v in_o those_o other_o shall_v have_v everlasting_a life_n m._n powell_n say_v there_o be_v a_o gradation_n he_o shall_v not_o perish_v but_o shall_v have_v everlasting_a life_n i_o conceive_v there_o be_v other_o argument_n which_o possible_o may_v be_v more_o to_o the_o purpose_n therefore_o if_o you_o please_v leave_v this_o and_o pass_v to_o another_o m._n powell_n if_o you_o please_v let_v we_o leave_v this_o to_o the_o lord_n and_o go_v on_o to_o some_o other_o scripture_n m._n goodwin_n then_o go_v to_o the_o next_o verse_n m._n caryll_o m._n goodwin_n i_o only_o desire_v this_o one_o thing_n whilst_o you_o say_v the_o word_n whosoever_o must_v needs_o be_v a_o distributive_a that_o you_o will_v consider_v the_o two_o verse_n before_o whether_o it_o be_v a_o distributive_a there_o or_o no_o v._o 14._o &_o 15._o and_o as_o moses_n lift_v up_o the_o serpent_n in_o the_o wilderness_n even_o so_o must_v the_o son_n of_o man_n be_v lift_v up_o that_o whosoever_o believe_v in_o he_o shall_v not_o perish_v but_o have_v eternal_a life_n where_o be_v the_o distribution_n here_o m._n goodwin_n why_o mankind_n for_o it_o be_v clear_a and_o i_o refer_v it_o to_o you_o whether_o there_o be_v any_o other_o sense_n of_o the_o word_n whosoever_o but_o whosoever_o of_o all_o mankind_n m._n caryll_o you_o make_v the_o distribution_n before_o of_o the_o world_n and_o here_o before_o he_o speak_v any_o thing_n of_o a_o generality_n have_v say_v the_o son_n of_o man_n be_v lift_v up_o not_o for_o these_o or_o these_o or_o for_o mankind_n in_o general_a he_o come_v in_o with_o these_o word_n that_o whosoever_o believe_v in_o he_o shall_v not_o perish_v m._n goodwin_n very_o well_o than_o the_o thing_n be_v clear_a and_o i_o refer_v it_o to_o you_o whether_o you_o think_v that_o there_o be_v any_o other_o sense_n can_v be_v make_v of_o it_o than_o all_o mankind_n even_o all_o the_o posterity_n of_o adam_n nay_o m._n powell_n hold_v that_o christ_n do_v die_v for_o all_o man_n upon_o such_o term_n that_o whosoever_o believe_v shall_v not_o perish_v m._n caryll_o i_o say_v the_o word_n be_v a_o general_a assertion_n and_o not_o a_o distribution_n m._n goodwin_n by_o a_o distribution_n i_o mean_v nothing_o else_o but_o the_o sever_n of_o a_o multitude_n or_o general_n into_o particular_n m._n caryll_o take_v the_o word_n world_n for_o the_o elect_a we_o deny_v that_o whosoever_o be_v a_o distribution_n but_o only_o a_o general_a assertion_n that_o all_o that_o believe_v shall_v be_v save_v m._n goodwin_n then_o be_v this_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o place_n that_o whosoever_o of_o the_o elect_a believe_v shall_v be_v save_v m._n caryll_o we_o need_v not_o bring_v the_o word_n into_o such_o a_o general_a acceptation_n m._n goodwin_n but_o this_o be_v that_o which_o i_o will_v know_v whether_o there_o be_v any_o difference_n between_o these_o two_o to_o say_v that_o all_o the_o elect_a shall_v be_v save_v and_o to_o say_v that_o every_o one_o of_o the_o elect_n shall_v be_v save_v m._n caryll_o no._n m._n goodwin_n then_o it_o be_v a_o distribution_n m._n caryll_o if_o it_o be_v a_o distribution_n it_o be_v within_o the_o same_o limit_n and_o do_v not_o distribute_v divers_a kind_n m._n goodwin_n if_o so_o be_v it_o be_v here_o suppose_v that_o there_o be_v some_o who_o god_n so_o love_v as_o to_o give_v his_o son_n for_o who_o possible_o may_v perish_v then_o by_o the_o word_n world_n be_v not_o mean_v the_o elect_a but_o here_o be_v a_o clear_a supposition_n that_o there_o be_v some_o of_o those_o who_o god_n so_o love_v that_o he_o give_v his_o son_n for_o that_o may_v perish_v and_o therefore_o by_o the_o word_n world_n be_v not_o mean_v the_o elect_a m._n powell_n i_o deny_v the_o sequel_n of_o your_o major_a proposition_n m._n goodwin_n mind_v how_o the_o word_n run_v god_n so_o love_v the_o world_n that_o whosoever_o etc._n etc._n now_o if_o you_o will_v not_o suppose_v that_o some_o of_o they_o for_o who_o god_n give_v his_o son_n may_v perish_v than_o you_o must_v suppose_v that_o these_o must_v be_v save_v whether_o they_o believe_v or_o no_o and_o so_o make_v this_o the_o sense_n that_o god_n so_o love_v the_o world_n that_o he_o give_v his_o son_n that_o all_o the_o elect_n whether_o believe_v or_o not_o belielieve_v shall_v not_o perish_v but_o have_v everlasting_a life_n m._n simpson_n i_o desire_v that_o when_o m._n powell_n deny_v a_o sequel_n that_o m._n goodwin_n be_v very_o careful_a to_o prove_v it_o m._n goodwin_n to_o deny_v the_o sense_n of_o the_o word_n world_n to_o be_v the_o generality_n of_o man_n it_o render_v the_o carriage_n of_o the_o place_n altogether_o nonsense_n as_o have_v be_v show_v already_o by_o several_a argument_n and_o if_o you_o will_v we_o will_v add_v another_o from_o the_o follow_a verse_n v._o 15._o god_n send_v not_o his_o son_n into_o the_o world_n to_o condemn_v the_o world_n but_o that_o the_o world_n through_o he_o may_v be_v save_v this_o be_v not_o a_o argument_n i_o confess_v of_o such_o absolute_a demonstration_n but_o of_o marvellous_a great_a probability_n that_o the_o word_n world_n be_v take_v and_o mean_v in_o the_o same_o sense_n in_o both_o the_o clause_n now_o if_o this_o can_v be_v the_o sense_n of_o it_o that_o god_n send_v his_o son_n into_o the_o world_n to_o condemn_v the_o elect_a then_o by_o the_o word_n world_n in_o the_o former_a verse_n be_v not_o mean_v the_o elect_a m._n powell_n your_o argument_n i_o conceive_v be_v not_o to_o the_o business_n which_o i_o deny_v m._n cranford_n your_o first_o thing_n be_v to_o prove_v the_o sequel_n of_o your_o former_a argument_n and_o now_o you_o be_v go_v off_o to_o another_o m._n goodwin_n you_o have_v be_v continual_o press_v upon_o i_o to_o wave_v my_o former_a argument_n and_o to_o go_v to_o another_o and_o yet_o now_o i_o have_v do_v so_o you_o be_v not_o content_v my_o intent_n or_o desire_n in_o go_v off_o from_o it_o be_v not_o because_o i_o think_v there_o be_v any_o thing_n answer_v to_o it_o but_o because_o in_o variety_n of_o argument_n one_o may_v not_o be_v so_o conclude_v as_o another_o nor_o have_v such_o influence_n upon_o the_o people_n m._n simpson_n m._n powell_n deny_v the_o sequel_n and_o you_o have_v not_o prove_v it_o and_o all_o your_o argument_n have_v be_v answer_v m._n goodwin_n if_o you_o will_v call_v any_o thing_n that_o be_v say_v to_o what_o i_o have_v speak_v a_o answer_n than_o you_o have_v answer_v my_o argument_n but_o a_o argument_n be_v then_o say_v to_o be_v answer_v when_o it_o be_v deny_v upon_o a_o rational_a ground_n m._n powell_n you_o may_v have_v desire_v a_o reason_n of_o my_o denial_n and_o have_v you_o ask_v it_o i_o will_v have_v give_v it_o m._n goodwin_n you_o do_v so_o such_o as_o it_o be_v m._n cranford_n m._n goodwin_n sequel_n be_v this_o that_o if_o by_o the_o world_n be_v mean_v the_o elect_a then_o in_o these_o word_n shall_v not_o perish_v it_o must_v be_v suppose_v that_o some_o of_o the_o elect_n may_v perish_v which_o be_v impossible_a and_o therefore_o by_o the_o word_n world_n be_v not_o mean_v the_o elect_a m._n goodwin_n the_o reason_n which_o i_o give_v be_v the_o very_a word_n themselves_o that_o else_o there_o will_v be_v no_o import_n or_o weight_n of_o moment_n in_o this_o clause_n shall_v not_o perish_v because_o as_o much_o as_o be_v contain_v herein_o will_v be_v find_v in_o that_o clause_n shall_v have_v everlasting_a life_n if_o everlasting_a life_n imply_v non-perishing_a and_o non-perishing_a imply_v everlasting_a life_n than_o there_o be_v as_o much_o in_o that_o as_o in_o the_o other_o and_o so_o the_o other_o clause_n will_v be_v find_v impertinent_a and_o superfluous_a it_o be_v include_v with_o advantage_n in_o this_o clause_n shall_v have_v everlasting_a life_n m._n powell_n give_v i_o leave_v to_o speak_v one_o word_n i_o suppose_v and_o appeal_v to_o this_o whole_a congregation_n whether_o there_o be_v not_o many_o word_n in_o christ_n own_o speak_v that_o be_v answerable_a to_o these_o as_o to_o exhort_v man_n not_o to_o fall_v from_o grace_n and_o the_o like_a and_o yet_o there_o be_v no_o danger_n in_o the_o thing_n m._n goodwin_n i_o be_o not_o of_o your_o mind_n m._n simpson_n this_o be_v not_o to_o the_o purpose_n but_o it_o concern_v you_o to_o look_v to_o the_o proposition_n and_o to_o see_v that_o that_o be_v prove_v m._n cranford_n this_o be_v a_o question_n of_o great_a consequence_n then_o possible_o be_v imagine_v upon_o
in_o one_o sense_n he_o die_v as_o a_o mean_v effectual_a and_o in_o another_o sense_n not_o he_o die_v as_o a_o mean_v effectual_a thus_o that_o there_o be_v nothing_o more_o require_v on_o his_o part_n nor_o of_o he_o that_o shall_v perform_v or_o undertake_v the_o office_n of_o a_o mediator_n or_o maker_n of_o atonement_n for_o man_n so_o far_o the_o mean_n which_o christ_n exhibit_v in_o his_o death_n it_o be_v as_o effectual_a as_o effectualness_n itself_o or_o any_o efficacy_n whatsoever_o can_v be_v but_o if_o by_o effectual_a you_o mean_v such_o a_o mean_n which_o do_v take_v effect_n that_o be_v which_o do_v end_n and_o issue_n in_o the_o salvation_n of_o all_o so_o i_o affirm_v that_o christ_n die_v as_o a_o mean_v ineffectual_a mr._n symp._n i_o conceive_v that_o this_o answer_n of_o you_o be_v no_o answer_n at_o all_o to_o my_o argument_n my_o reason_n be_v this_o because_o i_o look_v upon_o all_o the_o posterity_n of_o adam_n not_o as_o believer_n or_o unbeliever_n but_o only_o under_o that_o notion_n and_o consideration_n as_o the_o posterity_n of_o adam_n and_o so_o my_o argument_n be_v not_o yet_o answer_v for_o if_o all_o the_o posterity_n of_o adam_n be_v look_v upon_o jesus_n christ_n do_v not_o die_v as_o a_o effectual_a or_o ineffectual_a mean_n of_o their_o salvation_n and_o therefore_o your_o answer_n do_v not_o reach_v my_o argument_n in_o hand_n answer_v therefore_o to_o it_o as_o the_o posterity_n of_o adam_n whether_o christ_n die_v for_o they_o and_o whether_o his_o death_n be_v a_o effectual_a or_o a_o ineffectual_a mean_n of_o their_o salvation_n mr._n goodw._n sir_n will_v you_o please_v thus_o i_o do_v not_o neither_o do_v i_o intend_v in_o that_o answer_n which_o i_o have_v give_v nor_o in_o any_o which_o i_o shall_v give_v to_o make_v answer_n to_o any_o thing_n that_o be_v in_o your_o conception_n beneath_o either_o on_o the_o one_o hand_n of_o your_o argument_n or_o on_o the_o other_o but_o take_v your_o argument_n in_o that_o form_n and_o tenor_n of_o word_n wherein_o it_o be_v direct_v to_o i_o and_o so_o i_o have_v clear_o answer_v it_o for_o your_o proposition_n be_v that_o christ_n die_v neither_o as_o a_o mean_n effectual_a nor_o ineffectual_a and_o i_o have_v show_v how_o your_o conjunction_n be_v invalid_a and_o how_o and_o in_o what_o sense_n he_o die_v as_o a_o effectual_a mean_n and_o how_o not_o now_o if_o you_o will_v take_v away_o my_o answer_n you_o must_v prove_v that_o christ_n die_v in_o no_o sense_n as_o a_o mean_n effectual_a nor_o in_o any_o sense_n as_o a_o mean_n ineffectual_a for_o the_o salvation_n of_o all_o man_n mr_n ames_n sir_n the_o distinction_n of_o the_o respondent_fw-la be_v this_o that_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n be_v in_o a_o sense_n effectual_a for_o the_o salvation_n of_o all_o and_o in_o a_o sense_n not_o now_o you_o be_v to_o answer_v to_o what_o part_n of_o the_o distinction_n you_o please_v mr_n symp._n if_o the_o death_n of_o the_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n be_v not_o effectual_a for_o all_o in_o any_o sense_n than_o your_o answer_n be_v not_o good_a but_o the_o death_n of_o the_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n be_v not_o effectual_a for_o all_o in_o any_o sense_n ergo._n mr_n goodw._n prove_v your_o minor_a and_o you_o shall_v do_v well_o mr_n symps_n sir_n i_o desire_v you_o plain_o to_o show_v i_o in_o what_o sense_n it_o be_v effectual_a for_o it_o be_v a_o clear_a contradiction_n to_o say_v that_o the_o same_o thing_n shall_v be_v effectual_a and_o ineffectual_a also_o mr_n goodw._n i_o have_v explain_v it_o in_o part_n and_o shall_v be_v willing_a to_o do_v it_o yet_o more_o full_o in_o this_o sense_n therefore_o i_o say_v that_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n be_v effectual_a for_o all_o that_o be_v in_o case_n all_o man_n shall_v believe_v as_o i_o suppose_v they_o may_v have_v mean_n vouchsafe_v by_o god_n unto_o they_o for_o that_o end_n there_o need_v no_o more_o die_v nor_o atonement_n nor_o sacrifice_n for_o the_o salvation_n of_o all_o these_o man_n then_o that_o which_o jesus_n christ_n have_v already_o exhibit_v and_o perform_v but_o there_o be_v a_o virtue_n worth_n substance_n and_o what_o ever_o be_v requisite_a in_o a_o atonement_n or_o sacrifice_n for_o the_o salvation_n of_o all_o man_n but_o now_o if_o you_o respect_v the_o event_n or_o issue_n of_o this_o sacrifice_n and_o atonement_n that_o be_v whether_o all_o man_n come_v in_o time_n to_o be_v save_v by_o it_o or_o no_o in_o this_o sense_n it_o be_v ineffectual_a in_o point_n of_o event_n but_o it_o be_v most_o effectual_a every_o way_n in_o respect_n of_o intrinsical_a worth_a and_o value_n this_o be_v my_o clear_a sense_n mr_n symp._n i_o prove_v that_o christ_n do_v not_o die_v as_o a_o effectual_a mean_n for_o all_o or_o as_o a_o sacrifice_n for_o all_o man_n thus_o if_o god_n do_v not_o intend_v to_o give_v that_o to_o some_o without_o which_o he_o certain_o know_v that_o it_o can_v not_o be_v a_o effectual_a mean_n to_o all_o then_o jesus_n christ_n do_v not_o die_v as_o a_o effectual_a mean_n for_o all_o but_o god_n do_v not_o intend_v to_o give_v that_o to_o some_o without_o which_o it_o can_v not_o be_v a_o effectual_a mean_n to_o all_o and_o therefore_o on_o god_n part_n it_o be_v not_o a_o effectual_a mean_n to_o all_o mr_n goodw._n i_o answer_v brief_o to_o the_o major_a proposition_n or_o indeed_o to_o either_o that_o the_o efficacy_n of_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n for_o all_o man_n it_o do_v not_o at_o all_o depend_v nor_o have_v it_o any_o relation_n to_o any_o intention_n in_o god_n otherwise_o that_o be_v either_o to_o give_v this_o or_o that_o to_o any_o man_n or_o unto_o all_o man_n which_o shall_v make_v it_o de_fw-fr facto_fw-la or_o eventual_o effectual_a to_o all_o but_o the_o efficacy_n of_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n be_v to_o be_v measure_v and_o judge_v of_o by_o the_o intrinsical_a and_o essential_a value_n and_o worth_n of_o it_o and_o not_o by_o any_o thing_n that_o god_n shall_v do_v in_o any_o other_o dispensation_n of_o he_o for_o or_o towards_o the_o salvation_n of_o man_n mr_n symps_n you_o give_v i_o no_o answer_n to_o my_o argument_n which_o be_v that_o it_o be_v not_o a_o effectual_a mean_n on_o god_n part_n because_o he_o be_v resolve_v not_o to_o give_v that_o without_o which_o it_o can_v not_o be_v effectual_a mr_n goodw._n this_o i_o deny_v and_o give_v you_o this_o reason_n for_o it_o because_o god_n give_v or_o not_o give_v though_o my_o judgement_n be_v that_o he_o do_v give_v sufficient_a mean_n to_o all_o to_o render_v the_o death_n of_o christ_n effectual_a to_o they_o though_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a for_o i_o to_o declare_v my_o judgement_n in_o this_o point_n but_o this_o be_v sufficient_a as_o to_o the_o answer_n of_o your_o argument_n that_o the_o efficacy_n of_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n for_o all_o be_v not_o suspend_v or_o do_v not_o depend_v upon_o any_o intention_n of_o god_n touch_v any_o other_o dispensation_n to_o man_n one_o or_o more_o but_o before_o any_o such_o intention_n be_v considerable_a in_o he_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n be_v as_o efficacious_a and_o as_o inefficacious_a as_o ever_o it_o will_v be_v the_o nature_n virtue_n worth_n and_o value_n of_o it_o do_v not_o suffer_v any_o change_n either_o diminution_n or_o augmentation_n by_o any_o after-dispensation_n whatsoever_o mr_n symps_n i_o suppose_v your_o answer_n do_v not_o reach_v my_o argument_n neither_o be_v there_o any_o validity_n in_o what_o you_o say_v for_o if_o what_o you_o say_v be_v true_a then_o there_o be_v a_o contradiction_n in_o the_o intention_n of_o god_n for_o there_o be_v one_o intention_n say_v you_o wherewith_o he_o intend_v the_o salvation_n of_o all_o man_n and_o according_a to_o my_o argument_n there_o be_v another_o intention_n that_o he_o will_v not_o save_v all_o man_n so_o that_o there_o seem_v to_o be_v a_o contradiction_n in_o the_o intention_n of_o god_n mr_n ames_n i_o humble_o conceive_v that_o you_o be_v come_v to_o the_o head_n of_o this_o argument_n and_o that_o your_o sense_n mr_n goodwin_n be_v this_o that_o the_o death_n and_o passion_n of_o jesus_n christ_n do_v carry_v in_o it_o worth_a and_o merit_n every_o way_n sufficient_a for_o the_o salvation_n of_o all_o those_o that_o shall_v by_o faith_n through_o grace_n lay_v hold_v upon_o it_o and_o that_o there_o be_v also_o a_o sufficiency_n in_o it_o even_o for_o those_o who_o die_v in_o their_o unbelief_n and_o i_o humble_o conceive_v that_o this_o do_v not_o at_o all_o cross_a the_o learned_a opponent_n sense_n mr_n goodw._n i_o shall_v be_v very_o glad_a that_o he_o and_o i_o can_v meet_v together_o in_o this_o mr_n ames_n sir_n i_o suppose_v mr_n sympson_n your_o sense_n be_v
be_v damn_v before_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n thus_o it_o be_v a_o unreasonable_a thing_n for_o a_o man_n to_o intend_v the_o salvation_n of_o he_o who_o he_o know_v certain_o be_v already_o condemn_v and_o we_o can_v think_v the_o true_a god_n to_o be_v so_o irrational_a as_o to_o intend_v the_o salvation_n of_o those_o who_o he_o certain_o know_v be_v actual_o condemn_v by_o himself_o before_o mr_n goodwin_n the_o answer_n be_v very_o easy_a and_o ready_a mr_n simpson_n then_o let_v we_o have_v it_o and_o not_o a_o discourse_n of_o half_a a_o hour_n long_o mr_n goodwin_n it_o be_v every_o whit_n as_o irrational_a that_o christ_n shall_v die_v to_o save_v those_o who_o be_v already_o actual_o save_v as_o it_o be_v to_o say_v that_o he_o shall_v die_v to_o save_v those_o who_o be_v already_o actual_o damn_v but_o i_o deny_v your_o major_a proposition_n and_o say_v that_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n be_v considerable_a two_o way_n either_o first_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o efficacy_n of_o it_o and_o the_o intention_n of_o god_n in_o it_o or_o second_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o execution_n of_o it_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o first_o christ_n die_v as_o much_o from_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o world_n at_o least_o upon_o the_o fall_n of_o adam_n as_o he_o do_v at_o that_o very_a hour_n when_o he_o be_v actual_o crucify_a and_o for_o the_o latter_a those_o who_o be_v damn_v before_o the_o literal_a crucify_a of_o christ_n yet_o they_o be_v not_o damn_v before_o such_o a_o crucify_a of_o he_o as_o be_v effectual_a to_o haved_z save_v they_o m._n symp._n there_o be_v but_o three_o way_n to_o answe_v reither_o negando_fw-la limitando_fw-la or_o distinguendo_fw-la either_o by_o deny_v by_o limit_v or_o distinguish_v i_o beseech_v you_o either_o to_o deny_v one_o proposition_n or_o give_v some_o short_a distinction_n or_o else_o limit_v some_o thing_n that_o i_o have_v speak_v that_o so_o we_o may_v go_v on_o in_o a_o scholastic_a way_n m._n goodw._n you_o desire_v i_o to_o give_v a_o short_a distinction_n and_o yet_o you_o will_v not_o give_v i_o leave_v nor_o time_n to_o speak_v repeat_v your_o argument_n m._n symp._n if_o god_n have_v actual_o damn_v some_o man_n before_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n than_o he_o do_v not_o intend_v the_o death_n of_o christ_n as_o a_o mean_n of_o their_o salvation_n and_o consequent_o not_o of_o all_o but_o god_n have_v actual_o damn_v some_o man_n before_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n and_o therefore_o he_o do_v not_o intend_v the_o death_n of_o christ_n as_o a_o mean_n for_o the_o salvation_n of_o all_o m._n goodw._n i_o answer_v by_o deny_v your_o major_a proposition_n with_o this_o distinction_n that_o there_o be_v no_o man_n damn_v before_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n in_o such_o a_o sense_n and_o so_o consider_v as_o it_o be_v effectual_a to_o have_v save_v they_o and_o my_o reason_n be_v clear_o this_o because_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n from_o the_o foundation_n of_o the_o world_n be_v as_o effectual_a to_o have_v save_v they_o as_o it_o be_v to_o save_v those_o that_o shall_v believe_v after_o the_o literal_a and_o actual_a performance_n of_o it_o mr._n ames_n mr._n simp._n you_o be_v to_o prove_v that_o those_o who_o be_v in_o a_o state_n of_o condemnation_n and_o perdition_n and_o damn_a in_o hell_n before_o the_o actual_a suffering_n of_o christ_n have_v not_o a_o sufficient_a provision_n for_o salvation_n upon_o the_o account_n of_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n while_o they_o live_v you_o must_v prove_v that_o there_o be_v not_o a_o sufficiency_n in_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n for_o the_o save_n of_o they_o before_o the_o literal_a execution_n of_o it_o or_o his_o actual_a suffering_n upon_o the_o cross_n and_o that_o there_o be_v no_o intention_n in_o god_n for_o their_o salvation_n by_o his_o death_n who_o be_v damn_v before_o he_o come_v into_o the_o world_n m._n symp._n i_o prove_v it_o thus_o if_o god_n have_v no_o intention_n to_o give_v faith_n unto_o they_o than_o he_o have_v no_o intention_n to_o save_v they_o by_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n but_o god_n have_v no_o intention_n to_o give_v faith_n unto_o they_o therefore_o he_o have_v no_o intention_n to_o save_v they_o by_o his_o death_n m._n goodw._n i_o distinguish_v first_o that_o phrase_n of_o you_o of_o give_v faith_n unto_o they_o if_o by_o give_v faith_n you_o mean_v that_o god_n shall_v give_v it_o to_o they_o by_o a_o irresistible_a hand_n or_o upon_o any_o such_o term_n as_o that_o they_o can_v not_o but_o receive_v it_o so_o i_o deny_v your_o major_a proposition_n if_o by_o give_v faith_n you_o mean_v that_o which_o the_o scripture_n do_v in_o that_o phrase_n which_o be_v the_o give_v man_n faith_n in_o the_o mean_n of_o it_o that_o be_v such_o mean_n which_o be_v proper_a and_o sufficient_a to_o produce_v and_o work_v it_o in_o this_o sense_n i_o affirm_v that_o god_n do_v give_v faith_n unto_o these_o man_n that_o be_v he_o give_v sufficient_a mean_n to_o they_o whereby_o to_o have_v believe_v and_o so_o to_o have_v be_v save_v by_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n m._n symp._n i_o prove_v that_o god_n do_v not_o give_v they_o sufficient_a mean_n in_o this_o sense_n if_o god_n do_v not_o give_v they_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o gospel_n in_o any_o measure_n than_o he_o do_v not_o give_v they_o sufficient_a mean_n of_o believe_v but_o god_n do_v not_o give_v they_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o gospel_n in_o any_o measure_n ergo_fw-la m._n goodw._n i_o deny_v both_o proposition_n for_o though_o god_n do_v not_o give_v they_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o gospel_n yet_o i●_n have_v give_v they_o mean_n and_o opportunity_n whereby_o to_o come_v to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o gospel_n than_o he_o give_v they_o sufficient_a mean_n to_o believe_v and_o then_o again_o i_o deny_v the_o minor_a for_o they_o be_v both_o tardy_a that_o god_n do_v not_o give_v they_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o gospel_n in_o any_o measure_n m._n symp._n if_o god_n do_v suffer_v they_o to_o walk_v in_o their_o own_o blindness_n and_o darkness_n than_o he_o do_v to_o give_v they_o mean_n for_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o gospel_n but_o god_n do_v suffer_v they_o to_o walk_v in_o their_o own_o blindness_n and_o darkness_n therefore_o he_o do_v not_o give_v they_o sufficient_a mean_n for_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o gospel_n i_o prove_v it_o from_o act_n 14._o 16._o who_o in_o time_n past_o suffer_v all_o nation_n to_o walk_v in_o their_o own_o way_n from_o whence_o my_o argument_n be_v this_o if_o god_n suffer_v all_o nation_n to_o walk_v in_o their_o own_o way_n than_o he_o do_v not_o give_v to_o all_o nation_n a_o sufficiency_n of_o mean_n for_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o gospel_n but_o god_n suffer_v all_o nation_n to_o walk_v in_o their_o own_o way_n ergo_fw-la m._n goodw._n i_o deny_v your_o major_a proposition_n and_o the_o very_a next_o word_n immediate_o follow_v do_v confute_v it_o nevertheless_o he_o leave_v not_o himself_o without_o witness_n in_o that_o he_o do_v good_a and_o give_v we_o rain_n from_o heaven_n and_o fruitful_a season_n fill_v our_o heart_n with_o food_n and_o giadnesse_n which_o clear_o show_v that_o though_o god_n do_v suffer_v all_o nation_n to_o walk_v in_o their_o own_o way_n yet_o nevertheless_o he_o give_v they_o sufficient_a mean_n whereby_o to_o have_v know_v he_o and_o his_o grace_n and_o goodness_n to_o the_o world_n in_o jesus_n christ_n this_o i_o say_v be_v clear_o prove_v in_o that_o verse_n for_o although_o he_o suffer_v these_o nation_n to_o walk_v in_o their_o own_o way_n that_o be_v do_v not_o deal_v with_o they_o as_o with_o man_n under_o the_o gospel_n yet_o he_o do_v give_v they_o so_o much_o mean_v to_o have_v restrain_v and_o reduce_v they_o from_o their_o own_o way_n as_o have_v they_o be_v vigilant_a and_o attentive_a will_v have_v be_v sufficient_a to_o have_v recover_v themselves_o out_o of_o they_o mr._n ames_n mr._n symp._n you_o be_v to_o prove_v that_o these_o word_n god_n leave_v not_o himself_o without_o witness_n do_v not_o signify_v the_o manifestation_n of_o the_o gospel_n to_o the_o heathen_a world_n you_o be_v to_o prove_v that_o they_o do_v not_o import_v that_o sense_n m._n symp._n i_o prove_v it_o thus_o if_o the_o give_v of_o rain_n and_o fruitful_a season_n be_v not_o a_o sufficient_a mean_n for_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o gospel_n than_o your_o interpretation_n of_o the_o word_n be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o my_o argument_n but_o the_o give_v of_o rain_n and_o fruitful_a season_n be_v not_o a_o sufficient_a mean_n for_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o gospel_n ergo_fw-la that_o which_o the_o heathen_a have_v be_v only_o this_o witness_n from_o god_n that_o he_o give_v they_o rain_v and_o fruitful_a
season_n and_o this_o be_v not_o a_o sufficient_a mean_n for_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o gospel_n m._n goodw._n i_o answer_v that_o to_o give_v rain_n from_o heaven_n and_o fruitful_a season_n fill_v man_n heart_n with_o food_n and_o gladness_n be_v sufficient_a to_o bring_v man_n to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o gospel_n and_o i_o give_v my_o account_n hereof_o from_o the_o word_n brief_o thus_o because_o it_o be_v say_v that_o god_n leave_v not_o himself_o without_o witness_n now_o the_o nature_n and_o property_n of_o all_o witness_n especial_o on_o god_n part_n it_o be_v to_o speak_v intelligible_o and_o to_o utter_v their_o voice_n and_o testimony_n in_o such_o a_o language_n that_o they_o who_o it_o concern_v to_o hear_v and_o be_v present_a may_v understand_v and_o perceive_v now_o the_o witness_n which_o god_n do_v not_o leave_v himself_o here_o without_o it_o be_v the_o witness_n of_o his_o goodness_n to_o the_o world_n which_o be_v by_o jesus_n christ_n m._n symp._n i_o understand_v your_o answer_n and_o reply_n if_o the_o word_n preach_v be_v the_o only_a sufficient_a mean_n for_o the_o work_n of_o faith_n than_o man_n have_v not_o a_o sufficiency_n of_o mean_n for_o believe_v who_o only_o have_v raine_n and_o fruitful_a season_n but_o the_o word_n preach_v be_v the_o only_a sufficient_a mean_n to_o work_v faith_n in_o man_n and_o therefore_o rain_v and_o fruitful_a season_n be_v not_o sufficient_a i_o prove_v the_o minor_a proposition_n from_o that_o of_o the_o apostle_n faith_n come_v by_o hear_v and_o hear_v by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n preach_v but_o rain_v and_o fruitful_a season_n can_v preach_v the_o word_n m._n goodw._n you_o may_v have_v spare_v your_o proof_n till_o it_o have_v be_v deny_v but_o i_o answer_v by_o distinguish_v of_o that_o term_n sufficient_a and_o sufficient_a mean_n if_o by_o sufficient_a mean_n you_o mean_v such_o a_o mean_n so_o abundant_a as_o it_o be_v that_o man_n may_v with_o the_o more_o facility_n and_o ease_n attain_v believe_v so_o i_o grant_v in_o this_o sense_n that_o the_o preach_v of_o the_o gospel_n be_v the_o only_a sufficient_a mean_n of_o believe_v but_o if_o you_o mean_v by_o a_o sufficiency_n of_o mean_n such_o a_o mean_n without_o which_o it_o be_v impossible_a that_o any_o man_n shall_v believe_v so_o i_o deny_v that_o the_o preach_v of_o the_o gospel_n that_o be_v in_o that_o sense_n wherein_o i_o suppose_v you_o mean_v a_o verbal_a preach_v of_o it_o by_o man_n and_o that_o this_o be_v the_o only_a sufficient_a mean_n to_o work_v faith_n in_o man_n and_o the_o apostle_n in_o that_o scripture_n speak_v of_o such_o a_o preach_v of_o the_o gospel_n which_o be_v by_o the_o sun_n moon_n and_o starrs_n m._n symp._n i_o will_v have_v the_o congregation_n to_o take_v notice_n and_o to_o understand_v that_o we_o be_v only_o upon_o the_o external_a mean_n of_o preach_v the_o gospel_n and_o i_o prove_v that_o that_o be_v the_o mean_n of_o work_a faith_n in_o man_n m._n goodw._n that_o be_v not_o the_o thing_n deny_v but_o that_o it_o be_v the_o only_a sufficient_a external_a mean_n but_o if_o you_o please_v we_o will_v conclude_v for_o the_o present_a with_o this_o argument_n mr._n ames_n sir_n will_v you_o please_v then_o to_o bring_v that_o argument_n in_o the_o act_n to_o a_o close_a m._n symp._n i_o suppose_v we_o may_v beg_v so_o much_o time_n as_o to_o urge_v two_o or_o three_o argument_n more_o m._n goodw._n i_o be_o not_o able_a in_o respect_n of_o my_o health_n nor_o otherwise_o to_o make_v any_o long_o stay_v at_o this_o time_n m._n symp._n since_o than_o you_o be_v weary_a if_o you_o please_v to_o give_v a_o short_a answer_n to_o this_o argument_n that_o rain_n and_o fruitful_a season_n be_v not_o a_o sufficient_a mean_n to_o bring_v man_n to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o gospel_n we_o will_v not_o be_v so_o injurious_a as_o to_o press_v you_o above_o your_o bodily_a strength_n my_o argument_n be_v this_o if_o the_o preach_a of_o the_o gospel_n be_v the_o only_a sufficient_a mean_n receive_v for_o the_o make_v know_v of_o the_o mean_n of_o grace_n than_o reign_n and_o fruitful_a season_n be_v not_o sufficient_a but_o the_o preach_a of_o the_o gospel_n be_v the_o only_a sufficient_a mean_n require_v for_o the_o make_v know_v of_o the_o mean_n of_o grace_n and_o therefore_o rain_v and_o fruitful_a season_n be_v not_o sufficient_a i_o mean_v preach_v of_o the_o gospel_n be_v the_o only_a external_a mean_n i_o know_v the_o preach_a of_o the_o spirit_n be_v necessary_a beside_o it_o mr._n goodw._n by_o the_o way_n sir_n give_v i_o leave_v to_o answer_v a_o word_n to_o that_o by_o expression_n of_o you_o external_a mean_n etc._n etc._n if_o so_o be_v that_o your_o sense_n be_v as_o you_o have_v partly_o declare_v concern_v the_o inward_a mean_n of_o believe_v that_o faith_n be_v wrought_v by_o a_o irresistible_a hand_n and_o power_n of_o god_n than_o i_o say_v all_o outward_a mean_n whatsoever_o they_o be_v irrellative_a and_o have_v nothing_o at_o all_o to_o do_v in_o the_o work_n of_o faith_n but_o to_o your_o argument_n i_o answer_v that_o if_o by_o the_o preach_a of_o the_o gospel_n you_o mean_v a_o verbal_a preach_v of_o it_o by_o man_n than_o i_o say_v it_o be_v not_o the_o only_a outward_a mean_n which_o god_n be_v please_v to_o use_v to_o work_v faith_n in_o man_n or_o to_o bring_v they_o to_o believe_v but_o if_o you_o mean_v by_o the_o preach_n of_o it_o a_o preach_v of_o it_o at_o large_a or_o in_o any_o way_n so_o i_o grant_v that_o the_o preach_n of_o the_o gospel_n be_v the_o only_a absolute_a necessary_a and_o sufficient_a mean_n to_o bring_v man_n to_o believe_v but_o then_o this_o i_o add_v that_o rain_n and_o fruitful_a season_n and_o fill_v man_n heart_n with_o food_n and_o gladness_n these_o do_v preach_v the_o gospel_n though_o not_o so_o clear_o punctual_o and_o distinct_o yet_o as_o true_o as_o word_n or_o as_o a_o verbal_a perach_n do_v amount_v unto_o m._n symp._n if_o rain_n and_o fruitful_a season_n do_v not_o hold_v forth_o jesus_n christ_n as_o a_o mediator_n unto_o man_n than_o they_o do_v not_o preach_v the_o gospel_n but_o rain_n and_o fruitful_a season_n do_v not_o preach_v jesus_n christ_n a_o mediator_n ergo_fw-la m._n goodw._n i_o deny_v your_o minor_a proposition_n and_o say_v that_o these_o thing_n do_v declare_v and_o hold_v forth_o a_o mediator_n m._n symp._n if_o a_o man_n by_o the_o book_n of_o the_o creature_n can_v possible_o learn_v this_o doctrine_n that_o jesus_n christ_n be_v the_o son_n of_o god_n or_o that_o he_o come_v by_o his_o death_n to_o make_v satisfaction_n for_o the_o sin_n of_o man_n than_o they_o do_v not_o hold_v forth_o jesus_n christ_n but_o it_o be_v impossible_a for_o any_o man_n by_o the_o book_n of_o the_o creature_n to_o come_v to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o jesus_n christ_n as_o one_o that_o have_v make_v satisfaction_n by_o his_o death_n for_o the_o sin_n of_o man_n ergo_fw-la m._n goodw._n i_o answer_v by_o deny_v your_o major_a proposition_n man_n may_v be_v save_v and_o mean_n may_v be_v sufficient_a to_o bring_v man_n to_o believe_v we_o speak_v of_o such_o a_o believe_v which_o be_v accept_v by_o god_n unto_o justification_n and_o so_o unto_o salvation_n without_o the_o knowledge_n of_o all_o these_o particularity_n of_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n and_o i_o give_v this_o reason_n and_o account_v of_o this_o my_o answer_n because_o it_o can_v be_v prove_v but_o the_o contrary_a that_o the_o jew_n generaly_a even_o those_o that_o be_v believer_n in_o those_o day_n they_o have_v no_o such_o distinct_a knowledge_n of_o jesus_n christ_n be_v the_o son_n of_o god_n nor_o of_o his_o make_a satisfaction_n for_o the_o sin_n of_o man_n m._n symp._n i_o prove_v that_o they_o have_v such_o a_o knowledge_n thus_o if_o they_o have_v salvation_n by_o jesus_n christ_n than_o they_o have_v such_o a_o knowledge_n but_o they_o have_v salvation_n by_o jesus_n christ_n ergo_fw-la m._n goodw._n that_o be_v idem_fw-la per_fw-la idem_fw-la mr._n ames_n sir_n i_o humble_o desire_v of_o you_o to_o declare_v your_o sense_n concern_v that_o place_n in_o the_o act_n for_o it_o be_v conceive_v that_o by_o god_n not_o leave_v himself_o without_o witness_n there_o the_o apostle_n speak_v of_o the_o natural_a capacity_n of_o man_n and_o of_o that_o natural_a light_n which_o be_v in_o he_o by_o which_o he_o be_v able_a to_o collect_v a_o deity_n who_o be_v to_o be_v fear_v reverence_v and_o obey_v and_o beyond_o this_o same_o natural_a light_n and_o knowledge_n of_o a_o deity_n we_o be_v not_o able_a to_o conceive_v how_o the_o son_n moon_n raine_n and_o fruitful_a season_n speak_v any_o thing_n concern_v the_o mediatorship_n of_o jesus_n christ_n m._n goodw._n
to_o give_v a_o fair_a answer_n to_o a_o fair_a demand_n and_o reasonable_a question_n i_o shall_v willing_o do_v it_o my_o sense_n therefore_o clear_o be_v this_o that_o the_o witness_n of_o himself_o which_o god_n be_v there_o say_v not_o to_o have_v leave_v himself_o without_o by_o the_o mean_n there_o express_v it_o must_v be_v not_o only_o a_o witness_n of_o his_o godhead_n as_o of_o his_o power_n and_o wisdom_n for_o that_o be_v sufficient_o witness_v unto_o they_o otherwise_o as_o by_o the_o fram_a of_o heaven_n &_o earth_n and_o by_o the_o creation_n and_o generation_n of_o man_n that_o be_v then_o alive_a in_o the_o world_n but_o the_o witness_n which_o he_o give_v of_o himself_o or_o which_o he_o leave_v not_o himself_o destitute_a of_o it_o be_v of_o his_o grace_n and_o goodness_n and_o of_o that_o inclination_n which_o be_v in_o he_o to_o show_v mercy_n to_o man_n upon_o their_o repentance_n that_o they_o may_v thereupon_o be_v save_v it_o do_v witness_n or_o manifest_v to_o they_o that_o he_o have_v his_o arm_n open_a to_o give_v entertainment_n to_o they_o and_o to_o accept_v of_o they_o upon_o their_o foresake_v of_o their_o sin_n and_o turn_v aside_o from_o their_o way_n and_o work_n of_o unrighteousness_n now_o this_o disposition_n in_o god_n a_o willingness_n and_o readiness_n of_o show_v mercy_n interpretative_o and_o constructive_o it_o be_v a_o preach_v of_o jesus_n christ_n unto_o man_n and_o that_o upon_o this_o account_n because_o that_o light_a of_o reason_n in_o man_n which_o god_n have_v give_v they_o at_o least_o before_o they_o quench_v it_o and_o obscure_a and_o bury_v it_o under_o sin_n and_o wickedness_n it_o have_v a_o sufficiency_n in_o it_o to_o prove_v by_o the_o mean_n which_o god_n vouchsafe_v unto_o they_o that_o there_o be_v some_o kind_n of_o atonement_n intercession_n or_o mediation_n make_v between_o god_n and_o man_n otherwise_o it_o be_v not_o possible_a that_o the_o world_n shall_v have_v subsist_v under_o the_o sinfulness_n of_o the_o creature_n in_o that_o frame_n and_o state_n and_o be_v to_o the_o comfort_n of_o man_n have_v there_o not_o be_v some_o such_o pillar_n say_v to_o have_v support_v it_o mr._n ames_n i_o humble_o crave_v leave_v to_o know_v this_o how_o its_o possible_a for_o we_o have_v not_o we_o live_v in_o a_o age_n and_o place_n where_o we_o have_v the_o revelation_n and_o manifestation_n of_o jesus_n christ_n as_o it_o be_v deliver_v to_o we_o in_o the_o bible_n the_o word_n of_o god_n by_o what_o rule_n shall_v we_o proceed_v to_o interpret_v a_o shower_n of_o rain_n or_o a_o fruitful_a season_n into_o this_o sense_n that_o jesus_n christ_n be_v come_v to_o save_v sinner_n m._n goodw._n look_v after_o such_o a_o manner_n or_o by_o such_o a_o rule_n of_o direction_n as_o the_o jew_n especial_o before_o the_o give_n of_o the_o law_n and_o as_o under_o the_o ceremony_n of_o the_o law_n they_o be_v able_a to_o pick_v out_o jesus_n christ_n and_o his_o satisfaction_n for_o the_o save_n of_o the_o world_n by_o the_o same_o rule_n and_o mean_n may_v man_n gather_v out_o though_o not_o particular_o the_o name_n of_o jesus_n christ_n i_o do_v not_o say_v so_o but_o that_o which_o be_v virtual_o and_o constructive_o and_o interpretative_o and_o for_o the_o great_a end_n and_o purpose_n of_o salvation_n every_o whit_n as_o much_o as_o the_o knowledge_n of_o that_o name_n amunt_n unto_o all_o this_o i_o say_v may_v be_v learn_v from_o those_o gracious_a dispensation_n of_o the_o providence_n of_o god_n in_o the_o world_n and_o my_o reason_n be_v because_o the_o reason_n of_o man_n and_o that_o light_n of_o understanding_n which_o god_n have_v put_v into_o he_o it_o be_v able_a to_o bring_v he_o to_o this_o point_n and_o to_o fix_v he_o here_o that_o except_o some_o mean_n have_v be_v use_v to_o pacify_v god_n towards_o the_o world_n it_o be_v impossible_a that_o a_o god_n of_o that_o infinite_a justice_n shall_v endure_v such_o a_o world_n of_o ungodly_a one_o such_o a_o wicked_a generation_n of_o man_n as_o wherewith_o the_o whole_a earth_n be_v replenish_v from_o the_o one_o end_n of_o it_o unto_o the_o other_o this_o i_o say_v be_v nothing_o but_o what_o in_o a_o rational_a and_o fair_a way_n may_v be_v collect_v and_o gather_v by_o those_o mean_n and_o by_o that_o light_n of_o direction_n which_o god_n have_v vouchsafe_v unto_o man_n mr._n ames_n sir_n i_o humble_o beseech_v you_o once_o more_o you_o be_v please_v to_o say_v that_o a_o reasonable_a creature_n who_o never_o hear_v of_o the_o revelation_n of_o the_o gospel_n as_o we_o do_v either_o by_o the_o ministry_n of_o it_o by_o man_n or_o by_o angel_n from_o heaven_n may_v as_o well_o gather_v out_o a_o mediator_n interpose_v between_o the_o creature_n and_o divine_a justice_n in_o a_o shower_n of_o rain_n and_o a_o fruitful_a season_n as_o the_o jew_n be_v able_a to_o do_v from_o a_o sacrifice_n and_o a_o priest_n mr._n goodw._n no_o sir_n that_o be_v not_o my_o answer_n but_o this_o i_o say_v as_o that_o be_v a_o very_a improbable_a and_o unlikly_a way_n for_o man_n to_o have_v gather_v out_o a_o mediator_n especial_o in_o those_o particularity_n which_o mr._n sympson_n do_v urge_v in_o his_o argument_n yet_o look_v i_o say_v as_o there_o be_v a_o way_n and_o mean_n open_a to_o the_o jew_n hereby_o to_o discover_v jesus_n christ_n though_o many_o of_o they_o do_v not_o find_v jesus_n christ_n by_o that_o light_n so_o i_o say_v there_o be_v a_o way_n though_o i_o do_v not_o say_v every_o way_n equal_a or_o of_o the_o same_o light_n and_o efficacy_n for_o the_o give_v out_o of_o the_o knowledge_n of_o jesus_n christ_n unto_o man_n as_o the_o jew_n we_o speak_v of_o have_v yet_o it_o be_v of_o the_o same_o kind_n though_o a_o dim_a saint_n and_o obscure_a way_n and_o method_n and_o to_o apply_v it_o to_o the_o jew_n and_o to_o the_o heathen_a look_v as_o the_o mean_v vouchsafe_v unto_o the_o one_o and_o to_o the_o other_o to_o discover_v a_o saviour_n and_o intercessor_n as_o the_o mean_n be_v but_o weak_a and_o the_o light_a dim_a and_o faint_a so_o like_o be_v the_o acceptation_n of_o god_n even_o of_o that_o little_a which_o they_o be_v in_o a_o capacity_n to_o collect_v and_o gather_v together_o by_o this_o weak_a light_n it_o be_v prepare_v and_o ready_a for_o they_o and_o that_o according_a to_o the_o general_a rule_n of_o his_o providence_n and_o goodness_n which_o be_v this_o to_o accept_v of_o man_n according_a to_o what_o they_o have_v that_o be_v according_a to_o what_o they_o have_v power_n to_o do_v and_o perform_v and_o not_o according_a to_o what_o they_o have_v not_o mr._n ames_n sir_n i_o only_o crave_v leave_v to_o add_v this_o further_a the_o different_a reason_n between_o the_o ceremony_n of_o the_o jew_n discover_v a_o mediator_n between_o god_n and_o they_o and_o the_o mean_n which_v you_o say_v he_o vouchsafe_v unto_o the_o gentile_n seem_v to_o lie_v in_o this_o that_o god_n be_v please_v to_o institute_v and_o appoint_v such_o ceremony_n and_o sacrifice_n temple_n and_o worship_n to_o signify_v spiritual_a thing_n which_o be_v to_o come_v in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o messiah_n and_o after_o he_o have_v institute_v and_o appoint_v such_o thing_n for_o such_o a_o end_n he_o be_v please_v they_o to_o comment_n and_o to_o gloss_n upon_o they_o and_o to_o give_v the_o serve_v of_o they_o which_o make_v the_o into_o pretation_n of_o those_o thing_n easy_a unto_o the_o jew_n but_o god_n not_o have_v declare_v in_o his_o word_n that_o he_o have_v appoint_v shower_n and_o fruitful_a season_n to_o be_v such_o interpreter_n of_o his_o mind_n 〈◊〉_d to_o signify_v a_o mediator_n neither_o have_v gloss_v upon_o they_o i_o humble_o desire_v to_o know_v how_o we_o may_v proceed_v to_o find_v out_o a_o saviour_n or_o to_o gather_v such_o a_o thing_n from_o they_o as_o for_o that_o which_o you_o say_v that_o a_o man_n by_o reason_n and_o understanding_n may_v gather_v much_o from_o such_o shower_n and_o fruitful_a season_n concern_v the_o inclinable_a nature_n in_o god_n to_o show_v mercy_n to_o a_o lose_a creature_n i_o humble_o conceive_v that_o the_o creature_n may_v gather_v and_o collect_v thus_o much_o that_o the_o great_a god_n who_o create_v the_o world_n be_v a_o god_n of_o infinite_a goodness_n and_o for_o be_v draw_v but_o that_o this_o god_n have_v provide_v a_o mediator_n to_o make_v a_o altonoment_n between_o he_o and_o man_n this_o i_o be_o not_o able_a to_o conceive_v how_o shower_n and_o fruitful_a season_n can_v discover_v but_o his_o declare_a mind_n and_o will_n reveal_v in_o his_o word_n mr_n symps_n there_o have_v be_v more_o speak_v to_o this_o argument_n then_o at_o the_o first_o be_v urge_v and_o therefore_o i_o conceive_v
part_n of_o the_o work_n of_o a_o moderator_n to_o determine_v that_o which_o be_v the_o know_a law_n of_o all_o dispute_n and_o without_o which_o it_o be_v impossible_a that_o any_o disputation_n shall_v proceed_v to_o any_o good_a account_n to_o the_o hearer_n and_o except_o i_o may_v be_v suffer_v to_o state_n my_o question_n and_o to_o give_v a_o account_n of_o my_o sense_n and_o judgement_n in_o it_o i_o conceive_v i_o have_v no_o ground_n at_o all_o to_o dispute_v upon_o it_o and_o therefore_o if_o i_o may_v be_v permit_v to_o do_v that_o i_o shall_v be_v willing_a to_o proceed_v m._n simpson_n the_o congregation_n be_v already_o acquaint_v with_o the_o question_n the_o former_a disputation_n end_v thus_o that_o rain_n and_o fruitful_a season_n be_v sufficient_a mean_n to_o preach_v the_o gospel_n and_o the_o question_n now_o in_o hand_n be_v whether_o the_o heathen_n have_v a_o sufficiency_n of_o mean_n to_o believe_v unto_o salvation_n m._n goodwin_n if_o you_o will_v speak_v while_o i_o be_o speak_v and_o not_o give_v i_o leave_v to_o finish_v what_o i_o have_v to_o say_v it_o be_v in_o vain_a for_o i_o to_o dispute_v do_v but_o give_v i_o leave_v herein_o and_o i_o shall_v not_o be_v straighten_v towards_o you_o in_o give_v you_o the_o like_a liberty_n or_o a_o great_a if_o you_o desire_v it_o m._n simpson_n i_o beseech_v you_o expect_v no_o more_o liberty_n than_o what_o i_o have_v of_o you_o we_o have_v make_v choice_a choice_n of_o moderator_n and_o i_o appeal_v to_o they_o in_o it_o m._n goodwin_n the_o thing_n i_o desire_v be_v not_o a_o liberty_n but_o a_o absolute_a necessity_n to_o the_o business_n in_o hand_n without_o which_o it_o be_v impossible_a that_o we_o shall_v proceed_v it_o be_v to_o no_o purpose_n to_o dispute_v except_o we_o first_o agree_v upon_o the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n and_o explain_v the_o sense_n of_o it_o which_o be_v so_o reasonable_a that_o i_o wonder_v any_o man_n of_o ingenuity_n shall_v make_v any_o stick_n at_o it_o m._n simpson_n i_o desire_v not_o to_o have_v any_o advantage_n at_o all_o in_o dispute_v neither_o will_v i_o give_v you_o any_o i_o desire_v not_o to_o have_v my_o own_o will_n but_o to_o refer_v it_o to_o the_o moderator_n whether_o it_o be_v reasonable_a for_o you_o to_o speak_v large_o to_o the_o question_n when_o i_o have_v not_o that_o liberty_n grant_v unto_o i_o m._n goodwin_n we_o have_v not_o choose_v moderator_n to_o do_v any_o thing_n or_o to_o determine_v any_o thing_n against_o the_o law_n of_o disputation_n but_o only_o to_o observe_v and_o oversee_v the_o law_n thereof_o m._n simpson_n i_o conceive_v it_o unreasonable_a that_o you_o shall_v have_v that_o liberty_n to_o state_n your_o question_n at_o large_a when_o i_o have_v it_o not_o grant_v unto_o i_o m._n goodwin_n i_o wonder_v sir_n that_o you_o will_v offer_v to_o open_v your_o mouth_n in_o a_o thing_n so_o manifest_o untrue_a for_o what_o be_v there_o speak_v by_o i_o or_o any_o man_n with_o i_o that_o do_v offer_v to_o stint_v restrain_v or_o prohibit_v you_o in_o that_o kind_n i_o appeal_v to_o all_o the_o company_n whether_o there_o be_v any_o one_o word_n from_o i_o or_o from_o any_o other_o to_o that_o purpose_n m._n simpson_n i_o desire_v the_o moderator_n to_o speak_v i_o conceive_v it_o a_o unreasonable_a thing_n for_o my_o opponent_n to_o have_v more_o liberty_n than_o i_o have_v and_o therefore_o i_o refer_v it_o to_o you_o to_o determine_v and_o if_o you_o agree_v to_o it_o than_o i_o shall_v take_v the_o same_o liberty_n m._n goodwin_n in_o what_o shall_v i_o refer_v myself_o to_o make_v the_o question_n now_o before_o we_o when_o there_o be_v so_o great_a company_n of_o people_n meet_v together_o for_o their_o edification_n to_o have_v it_o manage_v so_o as_o that_o there_o shall_v be_v no_o possibility_n of_o a_o right_a understanding_n of_o it_o and_o so_o no_o probability_n of_o any_o benefit_n by_o it_o m._n simpson_n i_o conceive_v the_o people_n very_o well_o understand_v the_o question_n and_o i_o desire_v you_o so_o far_o to_o show_v yourself_o ingnuous_a as_o have_v choose_v moderator_n to_o refer_v yourself_o to_o they_o if_o you_o do_v not_o look_v upon_o they_o as_o rational_a and_o honest_a man_n why_o do_v you_o make_v choice_n of_o they_o m._n goodwin_n i_o will_v refer_v myself_o to_o the_o judgement_n that_o be_v to_o the_o reason_n which_o the_o moderator_n shall_v please_v to_o give_v against_o my_o sense_n in_o the_o question_n and_o if_o they_o shall_v give_v better_a reason_n why_o i_o shall_v not_o declare_v my_o sense_n in_o it_o than_o i_o can_v why_o i_o shall_v i_o shall_v yield_v to_o they_o m._n simpson_n but_o who_o shall_v judge_v m._n goodwin_n they_o shall_v give_v their_o reason_n and_o i_o will_v give_v i_o and_o we_o will_v not_o determine_v it_o but_o leave_v it_o to_o the_o people_n m._n simpson_n leave_v it_o to_o the_o moderator_n to_o judge_v if_o they_o conceive_v your_o reason_n strong_a for_o you_o than_o i_o be_v for_o i_o i_o will_v submit_v m._n goodwin_n if_o that_o be_v their_o sense_n and_o they_o shall_v give_v reason_n on_o that_o hand_n that_o be_v why_o i_o ought_v not_o to_o declare_v the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n in_o my_o sense_n than_o i_o shall_v be_v willing_a only_o to_o compare_v my_o reason_n with_o they_o and_o so_o let_v they_o and_o whosoever_o will_n judge_v between_o we_o m._n simpson_n sir_n i_o have_v two_o reason_n against_o it_o first_o i_o conceive_v that_o you_o ought_v to_o have_v no_o more_o liberty_n as_o opponent_n than_o i_o have_v and_o i_o have_v not_o this_o liberty_n grant_v i_o m._n goodwin_n that_o be_v a_o absolute_a untruth_n for_o i_o beseech_v you_o who_o do_v restrain_v you_o from_o this_o liberty_n speak_v to_o it_o speak_v home_o if_o you_o will_v approve_v yourself_o for_o a_o christian_a who_o lay_v these_o band_n of_o restraint_n upon_o you_o m._n simpson_n i_o take_v it_o for_o grant_v that_o i_o may_v not_o have_v the_o liberty_n and_o therefore_o do_v but_o state_n my_o question_n my_o second_o reason_n why_o you_o ought_v not_o to_o have_v this_o liberty_n be_v this_o here_o be_v a_o great_a congregation_n and_o for_o my_o part_n i_o be_o persuade_v in_o my_o conscience_n as_o in_o the_o presence_n of_o the_o lord_n that_o it_o be_v a_o error_n which_o you_o hold_v forth_o and_o i_o do_v not_o hold_v it_o fit_a that_o where_o there_o be_v so_o many_o weak_a one_o that_o you_o shall_v have_v liberty_n to_o hold_v forth_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v erroneous_a unless_o there_o be_v some_o to_o answer_v you_o in_o those_o scripture_n which_o you_o bring_v and_o the_o reason_n that_o you_o allege_v this_o be_v that_o which_o lie_v upon_o my_o conscience_n why_o i_o can_v admit_v the_o thing_n you_o desire_v m._n goodwin_n as_o to_o that_o point_n i_o answer_v thus_o that_o if_o you_o desire_v to_o be_v the_o man_n yourself_o that_o will_v give_v answer_n or_o reply_v to_o my_o declaration_n of_o my_o sense_n in_o the_o question_n or_o rather_o put_v it_o into_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o moderator_n one_o or_o both_o i_o be_o free_o content_a to_o allow_v liberty_n and_o full_a scope_n and_o as_o much_o time_n as_o you_o will_v desire_v for_o the_o do_v of_o it_o but_o again_o another_o reason_n which_o i_o think_v will_v out_o weigh_v you_o and_o that_o by_o many_o degree_n for_o the_o declare_v of_o my_o sense_n be_v this_o namely_o that_o by_o some_o word_n that_o fall_v from_o you_o the_o last_o day_n as_o that_o i_o do_v hold_v forth_o free_a will_n in_o opposition_n to_o free_a grace_n i_o desire_v to_o declare_v to_o all_o the_o people_n here_o present_a that_o you_o do_v utter_o and_o absolute_o mistake_v and_o misunderstand_v my_o sense_n and_o judgement_n in_o these_o question_n for_o i_o profess_v here_o before_o god_n angel_n and_o man_n and_o all_o this_o company_n gather_v together_o that_o i_o hold_v nothing_o at_o all_o neither_o free_a will_n nor_o any_o other_o opinion_n whatsoever_o in_o the_o least_o in_o opposition_n to_o free_a grace_n and_o i_o know_v it_o with_o the_o knowledge_n of_o assurance_n that_o whensoever_o your_o opinion_n and_o i_o shall_v be_v bring_v into_o a_o clear_a light_n and_o true_o compare_v you_o will_v be_v find_v the_o great_a exaltress_n of_o freewill_n and_o the_o great_a abaser_n of_o freegrace_n and_o the_o account_n thereof_o be_v this_o because_o here_o m._n simpson_n interrupt_v he_o and_o speak_v thus_o m._n simpson_n i_o think_v i_o shall_v never_o meet_v with_o any_o man_n that_o hold_v freewill_a that_o will_v say_v he_o maintain_v it_o in_o opposition_n to_o freegrace_n but_o by_o something_o deliver_v then_o in_o that_o disputation_n which_o i_o doubt_v not_o
and_o all_o that_o can_v be_v conclude_v from_o it_o if_o we_o shall_v put_v your_o sense_n upon_o it_o be_v this_o that_o it_o be_v the_o will_n of_o god_n that_o all_o man_n shall_v be_v save_v who_o do_v enjoy_v the_o mean_n of_o grace_n but_o heathen_n according_a to_o we_o do_v not_o enjoy_v the_o mean_n of_o grace_n and_o therefore_o this_o argument_n do_v not_o reach_v the_o business_n in_o hand_n m._n goodwin_n if_o you_o will_v please_v to_o betake_v yourself_o to_o one_o steady_a answer_n i_o shall_v know_v the_o better_a how_o to_o proceed_v but_o by_o your_o multiply_a answer_n you_o clear_o argue_v that_o there_o be_v no_o sufficiency_n in_o any_o one_o of_o they_o and_o therefore_o you_o make_v a_o pile_n of_o answer_n that_o so_o you_o may_v be_v think_v to_o answer_v something_o to_o purpose_n m._n simpson_n my_o answer_n be_v plain_a i_o tell_v you_o in_o what_o sense_n god_n will_v that_o all_o man_n shall_v be_v save_v and_o in_o what_o sense_n he_o will_v that_o they_o shall_v not_o be_v save_v and_o now_o if_o you_o please_v proceed_v against_o this_o distinction_n i_o say_v that_o god_n by_o his_o decretive_a will_n do_v not_o will_n the_o salvation_n of_o all_o man_n but_o by_o his_o preceptive_a will_n where_o he_o afford_v the_o mean_n of_o salvation_n to_o a_o people_n there_o his_o revealed_z will_n be_v that_o all_o that_o believe_v shall_v be_v save_v by_o jesus_n christ_n and_o i_o beseech_v you_o proceed_v against_o this_o distinction_n m._n goodwin_n what_o against_o the_o decretive_a and_o preceptive_a will_n m._n simpson_n there_o be_v a_o fallacy_n in_o your_o argument_n m._n goodwin_n then_o there_o be_v a_o fallacy_n in_o the_o apostle_n m._n simpson_n i_o distinguish_v between_o a_o twofold_a will_n of_o god_n a_o decretive_a and_o a_o preceptive_a will_n m._n goodwin_n it_o be_v a_o sign_n you_o be_v jealous_a of_o your_o distinction_n because_o you_o repeat_v it_o so_o often_o m._n simpson_n my_o answer_n be_v plain_a that_o the_o mean_a of_o the_o congregation_n may_v understand_v it_o and_o i_o appeal_v to_o the_o moderator_n which_o be_v this_o that_o god_n do_v not_o will_n the_o salvation_n of_o all_o man_n by_o his_o decretive_a will_n but_o his_o preceptive_a will_n he_o reveal_v it_o that_o all_o that_o will_v believe_v shall_v be_v save_v so_o that_o i_o say_v there_o be_v a_o twofold_a will_n in_o god_n a_o decretive_a and_o a_o preceptive_a will_n m._n goodwin_n by_o that_o superfluity_n of_o word_n that_o you_o come_v with_o in_o the_o rear_n of_o your_o answer_n i_o always_o forget_v the_o sense_n and_o substance_n of_o it_o m._n cranford_n this_o be_v m._n simpson_n answer_n that_o the_o text_n speak_v of_o the_o preceptive_a will_n of_o god_n which_o concern_v only_o those_o man_n who_o live_v within_o the_o pale_a of_o the_o church_n and_o not_o at_o all_o concern_v his_o decretive_a will_n m._n goodwin_n if_o this_o text_n of_o scripture_n speak_v of_o all_o man_n without_o exception_n than_o it_o do_v not_o speak_v only_o of_o those_o which_o be_v within_o the_o pale_a of_o the_o church_n but_o the_o text_n speak_v of_o all_o man_n without_o exception_n therefore_o it_o do_v not_o speak_v only_o of_o those_o who_o be_v within_o the_o pale_a of_o the_o church_n m._n simpson_n i_o deny_v your_o minor_a proposition_n m._n goodwin_n i_o prove_v it_o thus_o if_o so_o be_v the_o exigency_n of_o the_o context_n and_o the_o scope_n of_o the_o place_n do_v evident_o require_v it_o and_o enforce_v it_o that_o it_o shall_v be_v understand_v of_o all_o man_n without_o exception_n and_o not_o determinate_o of_o those_o within_o the_o church_n than_o it_o be_v so_o to_o be_v mean_v but_o the_o scope_n and_o context_n of_o the_o place_n be_v that_o which_o must_v open_v and_o determine_v the_o sense_n of_o the_o word_n do_v necessary_o and_o clear_o show_v that_o it_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o all_o man_n without_o exception_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v limit_v to_o those_o that_o be_v within_o the_o church_n m._n simpson_n i_o deny_v your_o minor_a proposition_n or_o if_o you_o please_v i_o will_v give_v you_o a_o distinction_n i_o grant_v that_o the_o apostle_n in_o these_o word_n do_v acknowledge_v a_o universality_n of_o all_o man_n but_o here_o i_o distinguish_v all_o man_n that_o be_v either_o first_o all_o man_n of_o all_o sort_n quality_n and_o condition_n rich_a and_o poor_a high_a and_o low_a or_o second_o all_o man_n without_o exception_n of_o any_o all_o man_n in_o the_o world_n i_o grant_v a_o universality_n in_o the_o first_o sense_n that_o it_o be_v the_o will_n of_o god_n that_o all_o man_n that_o be_v that_o man_n of_o all_o sort_n and_o condition_n shall_v be_v save_v by_o jesus_n christ_n but_o that_o it_o be_v not_o according_a to_o the_o decretive_a will_n of_o god_n that_o all_o man_n without_o exception_n shall_v be_v save_v and_o this_o i_o conceive_v to_o be_v the_o plain_a meaning_n of_o the_o text_n and_o the_o ground_n and_o reason_n why_o he_o will_v have_v we_o pray_v for_o all_o man_n m._n cranford_n m._n simpson_n you_o shall_v give_v he_o leave_v to_o speak_v m._n goodwin_n sir_n if_o you_o please_v go_v on_o where_o you_o be_v and_o prove_v that_o the_o scope_n of_o the_o context_n do_v require_v it_o to_o be_v understand_v of_o all_o man_n and_o not_o of_o all_o sort_n and_o rank_n of_o man_n only_o m._n goodwin_n i_o prove_v it_o thus_o if_o so_o be_v a_o limit_a sense_n of_o all_o sort_n and_o rank_n of_o man_n will_v render_v the_o apostle_n in_o this_o discourse_n of_o his_o incongruous_a defective_a and_o indeed_o ridiculous_a than_o the_o other_o sense_n namely_o the_o general_a and_o universal_a which_o respect_v all_o man_n without_o exception_n be_v that_o which_o be_v here_o mean_v but_o the_o limit_a sense_n determine_v it_o to_o all_o rank_n and_o sort_n of_o man_n only_o this_o make_v the_o apostle_n weak_a defective_a and_o ridiculous_a in_o his_o context_n and_o discourse_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v the_o other_o sense_n that_o be_v to_o be_v take_v mr._n simpson_n i_o deny_v the_o sequel_n of_o your_o major_a proposition_n m._n griffeth_n how_o sir_n what_o the_o sequel_n of_o the_o major_a m._n powell_n no_o sir_n he_o deny_v the_o minor_a m._n goodwin_n then_o i_o prove_v it_o that_o the_o limit_a sense_n make_v the_o apostle_n weak_a and_o defective_a in_o his_o argument_n thus_o evident_a it_o be_v from_o the_o context_n that_o the_o apostle_n in_o these_o two_o verse_n the_o three_o and_o four_o do_v deliver_v a_o motive_n or_o argument_n to_o press_v his_o exhortation_n deliver_v in_o the_o two_o former_a verse_n this_o be_v clear_a from_o this_o illative_a or_o rationative_n particle_n for_o i_o exhort_v therefore_o that_o first_o of_o all_o supplication_n prayer_n intercession_n and_o give_v of_o thanks_o be_v make_v for_o all_o man_n for_o king_n and_o for_o all_o that_o be_v in_o authority_n that_o we_o may_v lead_v a_o quiet_a and_o a_o peaceable_a life_n in_o all_o godliness_n and_o honesty_n for_o this_o be_v good_a and_o acceptable_a in_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n our_o saviour_n who_o will_v have_v etc._n etc._n now_o there_o be_v nothing_o more_o pregnant_a and_o evident_a then_o that_o there_o be_v a_o motive_n deliver_v in_o these_o two_o verse_n to_o press_v the_o exhortation_n deliver_v in_o the_o two_o former_a now_o than_o i_o say_v if_o so_o be_v we_o shall_v take_v this_o phrase_n all_o man_n here_o in_o this_o motive_n to_o the_o exhortation_n in_o a_o limit_a sense_n it_o make_v the_o sense_n of_o the_o motive_n to_o be_v direct_o opposite_a to_o the_o exhortation_n and_o not_o any_o way_n conduce_v to_o the_o press_v and_o urge_v of_o it_o and_o that_o i_o demonstrate_v thus_o moderator_n i_o pray_v draw_v up_o your_o sense_n into_o a_o short_a syllogism_n m._n goodwin_n for_o matter_n of_o context_n it_o will_v not_o ready_o come_v into_o a_o syllogism_n but_o we_o will_v try_v what_o may_v be_v do_v thus_o than_o i_o prove_v it_o that_o that_o sense_n will_v make_v the_o apostle_n ridiculous_a in_o his_o argument_n if_o so_o be_v such_o a_o sense_n which_o will_v make_v the_o motive_n incongruous_a incoherent_a nay_o opposite_a unto_o that_o very_a end_n for_o which_o it_o be_v bring_v will_v render_v the_o apostle_n ridiculous_a then_o such_o a_o sense_n we_o speak_v of_o a_o limit_a sense_n will_v render_v he_o ridiculous_a but_o to_o bring_v a_o motive_n which_o be_v quite_o contrary_a and_o opposite_a to_o the_o exhortation_n which_o it_o be_v bring_v to_o promote_v and_o press_v this_o make_v the_o apostle_n or_o whosoever_o do_v it_o ridiculous_a defective_a and_o weak_a in_o his_o argument_n therefore_o this_o be_v contrary_n to_o the_o apostle_n
be_v one_o thing_n to_o pray_v for_o all_o man_n indifinite_o and_o another_o thing_n to_o pray_v for_o all_o man_n universal_o we_o be_v to_o pray_v for_o all_o man_n indifinite_o that_o be_v all_o sort_n of_o man_n not_o define_v these_o and_o these_o particular_a person_n as_o set_v apart_o for_o salvation_n but_o we_o be_v not_o to_o pray_v for_o all_o man_n and_o woman_n universal_o exclude_v none_o m._n grif._n i_o pray_v speak_v to_o that_o proposition_n prove_v that_o all_o be_v to_o be_v pray_v for_o without_o exclude_v any_o m._n good_n i_o prove_v that_o we_o be_v to_o pray_v for_o all_o exclude_v none_o if_o so_o be_v that_o all_o be_v to_o be_v pray_v for_o who_o god_n have_v not_o exclude_v from_o our_o prayer_n then_o all_o simple_o indifinite_o and_o universal_o be_v to_o be_v pray_v for_o but_o all_o who_o god_n have_v not_o exclude_v from_o our_o prayer_n be_v to_o be_v pray_v for_o ergo._n mr._n simp._n i_o deny_v the_o major_a proposition_n there_o be_v some_o exclude_v the_o prayer_n of_o jesus_n christ_n and_o consequent_o they_o be_v exclude_v the_o prayer_n of_o all_o the_o saint_n and_o beside_o it_o be_v contrary_a to_o scripture_n 1_o john_n 5._o 16._o for_o such_o a_o man_n i_o do_v not_o say_v you_o shall_v pray_v m._n good_n this_o i_o prove_v that_o your_o answer_n be_v clear_o beside_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o nothing_o to_o purpose_n as_o to_o my_o argument_n m._n simp._n prove_v that_o we_o be_v to_o pray_v for_o all_o man_n and_o woman_n in_o the_o world_n without_o exception_n m._n good_n this_o be_v my_o sense_n in_o that_o proposition_n namely_o that_o all_o man_n as_o they_o be_v man_n and_o before_o they_o put_v themselves_o into_o a_o incapacity_n of_o be_v pray_v for_o so_o all_o man_n i_o say_v be_v to_o be_v pray_v for_o &_o you_o bring_v a_o scripture_n to_o prove_v that_o some_o man_n that_o have_v put_v themselves_o out_o of_o a_o capacity_n of_o be_v pray_v for_o be_v not_o to_o be_v pray_v for_o i_o do_v not_o say_v that_o all_o man_n in_o any_o condition_n after_o any_o degree_n of_o sin_v whatsoever_o as_o for_o example_n the_o sin_n against_o the_o holy_a ghost_n that_o such_o man_n as_o these_o aught_o to_o be_v pray_v for_o but_o i_o say_v that_o all_o man_n consider_v simple_o as_o man_n be_v to_o be_v pray_v for_o m._n simp._n these_o be_v word_n which_o you_o bring_v in_o now_o not_o before_o mention_v your_o proposition_n be_v universal_a without_o exception_n that_o all_o man_n be_v to_o be_v pray_v for_o and_o i_o give_v a_o clear_a scripture_n where_o we_o be_v command_v not_o to_o pray_v for_o some_o and_o therefore_o your_o argument_n be_v false_a m._n good_n my_o argument_n be_v not_o false_a because_o i_o do_v not_o intend_v nor_o do_v i_o say_v that_o all_o man_n in_o any_o condition_n be_v to_o be_v pray_v for_o but_o as_o they_o come_v into_o the_o world_n i_o tell_v you_o in_o what_o sense_n i_o affirm_v it_o and_o the_o reason_n why_o i_o do_v not_o distinguish_v and_o limit_v it_o be_v because_o i_o do_v not_o think_v any_o man_n will_v be_v so_o irrational_a as_o to_o conceive_v that_o i_o do_v include_v those_o that_o sin_n against_o the_o holy_a ghost_n i_o think_v you_o have_v have_v more_o understanding_n m._n simp._n the_o thing_n that_o you_o have_v endeavour_v to_o prove_v be_v that_o the_o apostle_n in_o that_o place_n of_o timothy_n exhort_v that_o prayer_n shall_v be_v make_v for_o all_o man_n in_o general_a but_o we_o prove_v that_o that_o can_v be_v the_o sense_n because_o it_o be_v contrary_a to_o another_o apostle_n as_o in_o this_o place_n of_o john_n m._n good_n nay_o i_o tell_v you_o it_o be_v not_o contrary_a to_o that_o scripture_n though_o it_o shall_v be_v take_v in_o such_o a_o sense_n because_o those_o very_a person_n who_o be_v there_o exclude_v by_o reason_n of_o that_o sin_n the_o very_a same_o person_n before_o the_o commit_v thereof_o be_v capable_a of_o prayer_n and_o consequent_o all_o man_n be_v to_o be_v pray_v for_o yea_o these_o man_n themselves_o be_v not_o except_v in_o reference_n to_o their_o person_n but_o in_o reference_n to_o their_o sin_n mr._n simp._n the_o thing_n which_o you_o have_v endeavour_v to_o prove_v though_o not_o able_a be_v that_o the_o apostle_n in_o these_o word_n do_v intend_v that_o all_o man_n without_o exception_n be_v to_o be_v pray_v for_o but_o by_o what_o we_o bring_v from_o john_n it_o be_v plain_a that_o all_o can_v be_v take_v in_o that_o sense_n m._n good_n that_o in_o john_n be_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n and_o i_o prove_v it_o thus_o the_o commit_v of_o the_o sin_n against_o the_o holy_a ghost_n do_v not_o multiply_v person_n in_o the_o world_n do_v not_o make_v more_o soul_n to_o be_v in_o the_o world_n then_o there_o be_v and_o i_o say_v that_o all_o person_n even_o these_o before_o they_o have_v sin_v that_o sin_n they_o be_v include_v in_o the_o apostle_n all_o and_o you_o can_v prove_v that_o any_o person_n in_o the_o world_n than_o have_v commit_v the_o sin_n against_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o if_o you_o can_v yet_o this_o be_v not_o to_o the_o purpose_n for_o even_o these_o very_a person_n before_o they_o have_v commit_v that_o sin_n be_v person_n to_o be_v pray_v for_o and_o consequent_o all_o m._n simp._n i_o show_v there_o be_v a_o positive_a command_n that_o we_o shall_v not_o pray_v for_o some_o man_n therefore_o what_o mr._n goodwin_n say_v can_v be_v according_a to_o the_o mind_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n i_o beseech_v you_o speak_v something_o that_o we_o may_v not_o spend_v all_o our_o time_n upon_o one_o scripture_n but_o if_o you_o please_v let_v we_o proceed_v to_o another_o m._n good_n now_o you_o take_v upon_o you_o the_o place_n of_o a_o moderator_n m._n simp._n sir_n i_o consider_v the_o people_n and_o i_o think_v it_o very_o unprofitable_a for_o the_o hearer_n to_o insist_v so_o long_o upon_o one_o scripture_n m._n good_n i_o conceive_v it_o most_o profitable_a for_o as_o the_o light_n of_o the_o sun_n be_v more_o profitable_a than_o the_o light_n of_o all_o the_o star_n so_o one_o scripture_n where_o the_o truth_n be_v evident_a pregnant_a and_o clear_a may_v be_v of_o more_o concernment_n to_o the_o people_n and_o more_o edify_v to_o they_o then_o many_o m._n simp._n sir_n you_o be_v not_o able_a to_o overthrow_v the_o distinction_n that_o we_o have_v give_v but_o we_o have_v overthrow_v your_o argument_n m._n good_n i_o that_o you_o have_v just_a as_o you_o have_v overthrow_v the_o apostle_n and_o i_o trust_v that_o those_o who_o be_v present_a and_o hear_v they_o do_v consider_v and_o see_v how_o thing_n be_v carry_v and_o for_o my_o part_n i_o shall_v be_v willing_a to_o leave_v those_o thing_n which_o have_v be_v argue_v to_o their_o judgement_n and_o conscience_n m._n simp._n i_o conceive_v they_o will_v and_o i_o know_v they_o will_v not_o say_v that_o all_o man_n in_o the_o world_n be_v to_o be_v pray_v for_o when_o the_o apostle_n say_v express_o that_o some_o particular_a man_n be_v not_o to_o be_v pray_v for_o m._n good_n this_o be_v that_o which_o i_o say_v that_o man_n commit_v the_o unpardonable_a sin_n do_v not_o multiply_v person_n in_o the_o world_n but_o these_o very_a man_n before_o they_o have_v commit_v that_o sin_n be_v to_o be_v pray_v for_o mr._n cranf_n sir_n you_o have_v wade_v in_o this_o argument_n i_o conceive_v as_o far_o as_o your_o argument_n will_v drive_v from_o this_o scripture_n the_o substance_n of_o all_o be_v this_o you_o contend_v that_o every_o singular_a man_n in_o the_o world_n be_v to_o be_v pray_v for_o at_o least_o under_o this_o notion_n of_o a_o man_n quatenus_fw-la homo_fw-la mr._n simpson_n he_o peremptory_o deny_v this_o propostion_n he_o cite_v out_o text_n of_o scripture_n which_o be_v 1_o john_n 5._o there_o be_v a_o sin_n unto_o death_n i_o do_v not_o say_v that_o he_o shall_v pray_v for_o it_o you_o say_v that_o that_o sin_n do_v not_o multiply_v person_n but_o state_n and_o that_o a_o man_n as_o a_o man_n be_v to_o have_v be_v pray_v for_o before_o such_o time_n as_o he_o sin_v that_o sin_n he_o object_n and_o say_v that_o jesus_n christ_n know_v a_o sort_n of_o man_n as_o man_n that_o be_v not_o to_o be_v pray_v for_o but_o i_o conceive_v so_o far_o as_o i_o be_o able_a to_o understand_v that_o you_o be_v both_o go_v from_o the_o main_a question_n you_o begin_v with_o which_o be_v whether_o god_n have_v give_v sufficient_a mean_n of_o faith_n and_o salvation_n unto_o those_o gentile_n to_o who_o he_o have_v not_o give_v the_o gospel_n m._n good_n we_o have_v proceed_v in_o this_o question_n by_o direct_a