5._o p._n 239._o hieronimus_fw-la quoque_fw-la lib._n 3tio_fw-la dialogorum_fw-la adversus_fw-la pelagianos_fw-la critobulo_fw-la sic_fw-la scribit_fw-la jerom_n also_o have_v speak_v of_o ambrose_n just_a before_o in_o his_o 3d_o book_n of_o dialogue_n against_o the_o pelagian_n write_v thus_o to_o critob_n tell_v i_o i_o pray_v and_o resolve_v the_o question_n why_o be_v infant_n baptize_v attic._n that_o their_o sin_n may_v be_v do_v away_o in_o baptism_n critob_n but_o what_o sin_n have_v they_o commit_v be_v any_o one_o loose_v that_o be_v not_o bind_v attic._n do_v thou_o ask_v i_o the_o question_n the_o evangelical_n trumpet_n or_o dr._n of_o the_o gentile_n that_o vessel_n that_o shine_v throughout_o all_o the_o world_n will_v answer_v thou_o death_n reign_v from_o adam_n unto_o moses_n even_o over_o they_o that_o have_v not_o sin_v after_o the_o manner_n of_o adam_n transgression_n which_o be_v the_o figure_n of_o he_o to_o come_v but_o all_o man_n be_v guilty_a either_o in_o 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condemn_v those_o that_o enter_v upon_o it_o rash_o magd._n cent._n 4._o c._n 6._o p._n 417._o and_o yet_o in_o the_o foregoing_a page_n tell_v we_o the_o church_n of_o asia_n own_a infants-baptism_n in_o case_n of_o danger_n and_o declare_v his_o own_o judgement_n absolute_o for_o it_o without_o respect_n to_o danger_n orat._n quarta_fw-la ad_fw-la baptismum_fw-la as_o you_o shall_v hear_v more_o anon_o so_o may_v also_o bazil_n be_v notwithstanding_o he_o have_v anywhere_o say_v faith_n shall_v precede_v or_o go_v before_o baptism_n 5._o it_o be_v no_o wonder_n we_o read_v not_o of_o bazils_n insist_v upon_o infants-baptism_n for_o such_o be_v the_o error_n and_o superstition_n of_o those_o time_n wherein_o he_o preach_v ascribe_v such_o virtue_n to_o baptism_n to_o do_v away_o the_o guilt_n of_o sin_n that_o they_o will_v delay_v the_o take_n up_o that_o ordinance_n till_o they_o think_v they_o shall_v die_v that_o so_o they_o may_v depart_v with_o pure_a soul_n so_o that_o as_o 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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o we_o render_v teach_v signify_v to_o make_v disciple_n which_o be_v do_v say_v he_o by_o baptise_v and_o teach_v and_o he_o give_v this_o reason_n for_o this_o his_o analysis_n because_o if_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d shall_v signify_v only_o to_o teach_v there_o will_v be_v find_v a_o tautology_n in_o christ_n word_n thus_o go_v teach_v all_o nation_n baptise_v they_o teach_v they_o the_o sense_n therefore_o say_v he_o of_o christ_n word_n be_v this_o go_v you_o make_v disciple_n to_o i_o out_o of_o all_o nation_n by_o baptise_v and_o teach_v and_o the_o former_a way_n of_o make_v disciple_n infantibus_fw-la etiam_fw-la aptari_fw-la poterat_fw-la may_v be_v apply_v to_o infant_n 4_o i_o think_v i_o can_v bring_v some_o score_n that_o understand_v the_o commission_n in_o this_o sense_n and_o therefore_o argue_v against_o the_o anabaptist_n thus_o the_o gospel_n be_v to_o be_v preach_v to_o every_o creature_n all_o nation_n must_v be_v disciple_v but_o infant_n be_v a_o part_n of_o this_o creation_n be_v include_v in_o all_o nation_n therefore_o they_o must_v be_v make_v disciple_n also_o for_o they_o in_o the_o commission_n must_v refer_v to_o nation_n or_o else_o it_o relate_v to_o nothing_o for_o it_o have_v no_o relative_a beside_o to_o answer_v to_o and_o therefore_o infant_n be_v a_o part_n of_o the_o nation_n where_o the_o gospel_n be_v preach_v must_v be_v baptize_v thus_o we_o see_v hitherto_o mr._n danvers_n can_v discharge_v himself_o of_o the_o charge_n of_o prevarication_n and_o pervert_v the_o authority_n produce_v by_o he_o but_o like_o a_o discontent_a man_n be_v angry_a with_o every_o body_n he_o meet_v with_o that_o cross_v his_o humour_n and_o therefore_o fall_v a_o skirmish_v with_o the_o lutheran_n calvin_n baxter_n and_o conclude_v bitter_o against_o i_o with_o a_o appeal_n to_o the_o reader_n whether_o it_o can_v be_v suppose_v i_o do_v read_v his_o book_n and_o answer_v it_o with_o consideration_n and_o so_o whether_o i_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v esteem_v a_o person_n extreme_o void_a of_o reason_n and_o conscience_n and_o let_v the_o reader_n likewise_o judge_v whether_o this_o be_v suitable_a to_o the_o title_n of_o his_o book_n a_o sober_a reply_n to_o mr._n will_n against_o who_o i_o may_v right_o object_v that_o of_o ambrose_n on_o the_o 119_o psal._n quem_fw-la veritate_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la lacerate_v convitiis_fw-la second_o concern_v the_o falsehood_n chargedu_fw-fr upon_o mr._n danvers_n which_o be_v full_o prove_v in_o what_o follow_v page_n 30._o after_o some_o scornful_a jeer_n which_o he_o be_v please_v to_o cast_v upon_o i_o as_o that_o i_o profess_v myself_o a_o solid_a grave_a person_n a_o minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n a_o master_n of_o art_n and_o a_o learned_a man_n and_o one_o that_o have_v spend_v much_o time_n in_o the_o university_n which_o be_v more_o than_o ever_o i_o profess_v or_o pretend_v to_o he_o think_v it_o not_o enough_o to_o render_v i_o 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