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writer_n but_o as_o many_o of_o your_o grandee_n as_o i_o hope_v shall_v suffice_v to_o justify_v what_o i_o have_v say_v from_o pulpit_n i_o begin_v with_o your_o voluminous_a suarez_n in_o 3_o part_n tom._n 4._o disp_v 15._o sect_n 5_o i_o add_v to_o he_o his_o contemporary_a jesuit_n of_o no_o less_o renown_n vasquiz_n in_o 3._o part_n tom._n 4._o quaest_n 86._o dub._n 5._o with_o who_o you_o may_v join_v another_o of_o your_o champion_n gregory_n de_fw-fr valentia_n tom._n 4._o disp_n 7._o quest_n 8._o punct_a 4._o and_o aegidius_n coninck_n disp_n 3_o de_fw-la tanit_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 3._o as_o also_o your_o famous_a bishop_n of_o the_o canary_n mclâ—hior_n cann_v relect_a de_fw-fr paenit_fw-la part_n 4._o yea_o and_o from_o all_o these_o you_o may_v second_v to_o your_o eminent_a cardivaâ—_n de_fw-fr lugo_n tract_n de_fw-fr pavit_fw-la disp_n 7._o sect_n 11_o §_o 1._o num_fw-la 196._o and_o if_o you_o will_v go_v yet_o high_o your_o casuist_n navarre_n in_o enchirid._n cap._n 1._o num_fw-la 27._o be_v not_o only_o for_o it_o himself_o but_o also_o cite_v for_o the_o same_o your_o rope_n adrian_n the_o six_o what_o shall_v i_o blot_v paper_n with_o the_o name_n of_o bican_n meratins_n bonacivae_fw-la layman_n &_o c_o take_v that_o one_o general_a testimony_n of_o de_fw-fr lugo_n in_o the_o place_n cite_v sententia_fw-la har_z say_v he_o communis_fw-la est_fw-la jam_fw-la omnibus_fw-la thâ—ologis_fw-la uno_fw-la vel_fw-la altero_fw-la recentiore_fw-la except_o this_o doctrine_n be_v now_o commone_v to_o all_o divine_n except_o it_o be_v one_o or_o two_o late_a writer_n yea_o divers_a of_o the_o forecited_a author_n and_o other_o of_o the_o like_a stamp_n have_v go_v a_o great_a length_n in_o this_o unhappy_a doctrine_n than_o i_o charge_v upon_o you_o for_o they_o not_o only_o teach_v that_o a_o sinner_n be_v not_o bind_v to_o repent_v immediate_o after_o his_o trespass_n but_o also_o in_o many_o remarkable_a eireumstance_n when_o god_n seem_v to_o be_v signal_o call_v for_o repentance_n as_o first_o that_o a_o man_n be_v not_o bind_v to_o repent_v when_o he_o serious_o call_v his_o sin_n to_o remembrance_n nor_o second_o when_o a_o grievous_a calamity_n be_v upon_o he_o or_o the_o country_n he_o live_v in_o nor_o three_o on_o holy_a and_o festival_n day_n all_o these_o and_o much_o more_o you_o will_v find_v in_o vasquez_n quest_n 86._o dub_v 6._o for_o after_o the_o enumeration_n of_o these_o and_o other_o weighty_a case_n at_o length_n he_o peremptorly_n conclude_v that_o the_o precept_n of_o repentance_n never_o oblige_v per_fw-la se_fw-la that_o be_v but_o by_o accident_n except_o in_o the_o article_n of_o death_n yea_o there_o be_v of_o your_o doctor_n who_o go_v yet_o a_o further_a length_n and_o do_v deny_v that_o a_o sinner_n by_o divine_a precept_n be_v bind_v to_o repent_v at_o all_o even_o in_o the_o article_n of_o death_n of_o which_o a_o little_a hereafter_o what_o christian_a ear_n can_v hear_v of_o these_o thing_n and_o not_o tingle_v may_v not_o this_o suffice_v to_o justify_v the_o truth_n of_o my_o assertion_n in_o pulpit_n viz_o that_o many_o of_o your_o chief_a doctor_n maintain_v that_o a_o man_n be_v not_o bind_v immediate_o after_o he_o have_v sin_v to_o repent_v but_o i_o add_v in_o the_o next_o place_n that_o your_o great_a doctor_n seem_v to_o lay_v more_o weight_n upon_o this_o point_n then_o upon_o a_o mere_a problem_n yea_o and_o that_o your_o church_n can_v clear_v her_o innocence_n as_o to_o this_o matter_n for_o your_o cardinal_n de_fw-fr lugo_n speak_v of_o this_o doctrine_n in_o the_o place_n forecited_a call_v it_o communem_fw-la sensum_fw-la omnium_fw-la fidelium_fw-la the_o commone_fw-it sense_n of_o all_o believer_n do_v your_o author_n speak_v so_o of_o mere_a problem_n nay_o the_o chief_a argument_n whereby_o the_o forecited_a author_n confirm_v this_o there_o tenet_n be_v from_o the_o universal_a practice_n of_o your_o romish_a church_n because_o say_v lugo_n no_o penitent_a de_fw-fr dilatione_fw-la penitentiae_fw-la se_fw-la unquam_fw-la accusat_fw-la nec_fw-la ullus_fw-la confessarius_fw-la de_fw-la hoc_fw-la paenitentem_fw-la interrogat_fw-la and_o he_o add_v this_o reason_n quia_fw-la siz_fw-fr nemo_fw-la in_o praxi_fw-la existimat_fw-la esse_fw-la novam_fw-la culpam_fw-la actualem_fw-la ex_fw-la dilatione_fw-la paenitentiae_fw-la hereupon_o the_o same_o cardinal_n conclude_v the_o contrary_a doctrine_n to_o be_v injurious_a to_o your_o whole_a romish_a church_n both_o pastor_n and_o people_n because_o it_o charge_v they_o with_o no_o small_a guiltiness_n see_v neither_o delinquent_n in_o their_o confession_n nor_o confessor_n in_o their_o examination_n take_v any_o notice_n of_o the_o delay_n of_o repentance_n i_o shall_v give_v you_o the_o word_n of_o your_o cardinal_n minus_n digne_fw-fr sentiunt_fw-la de_fw-fr ecclesiae_fw-la corpore_fw-la cum_fw-la velint_fw-la ab_fw-la universis_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la non_fw-la selum_fw-la subditis_fw-la sed_fw-la prelatis_fw-la ex_fw-la ignorantia_fw-la omitti_fw-la debitum_fw-la and_o this_o be_v one_o ground_n whereupon_o in_o the_o conference_n i_o do_v charge_v your_o romish_a church_n with_o this_o doctrine_n when_o you_o will_v not_o speak_v to_o it_o under_o these_o restriction_n with_o which_o i_o have_v speak_v of_o it_o in_o the_o pulpit_n and_o if_o herein_o i_o have_v trespass_v in_o charge_v it_o upon_o your_o church_n you_o may_v see_v that_o not_o so_o much_o i_o as_o your_o great_a cardinal_n be_v to_o blame_v for_o it_o and_o other_o your_o author_n who_o chief_a argument_n to_o confirm_v this_o doctrine_n be_v take_v a_o praxi_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la if_o this_o be_v the_o judgement_n of_o your_o church_n why_o give_v you_o it_o out_o for_o a_o problem_n if_o it_o be_v not_o the_o judgement_n of_o your_o church_n then_o how_o come_v it_o that_o there_o be_v no_o notice_n take_v of_o the_o delay_n of_o repentance_n in_o your_o penitential_a court_n of_o conscience_n either_o by_o priest_n or_o people_n as_o your_o great_a author_n do_v testify_v but_o that_o you_o may_v see_v that_o i_o deal_v not_o with_o you_o mere_o upon_o the_o testimony_n of_o your_o schoolman_n and_o casuist_n do_v not_o your_o council_n of_o trent_n sess_v 14._o cap._n 4._o manifest_o declare_v that_o attrition_n with_o sacerdotal_a absolution_n without_o contrition_n be_v sufficient_a yea_o the_o word_n of_o the_o council_n be_v so_o clear_a say_v aegidius_n coninck_n tom._n 2._o de_fw-fr sacram._n disp_n 3._o dub_v 1._o num_fw-la 5._o we_o sine_fw-la aperta_fw-la violentia_fw-la non_fw-la possint_fw-la aliter_fw-la explicari_fw-la therefore_o according_a to_o your_o romish_a tridentine_n faith_n a_o man_n may_v be_v save_v eternal_o without_o contrition_n now_o let_v the_o world_n judge_n whether_o our_o religion_n or_o you_o have_v the_o great_a tendency_n to_o holiness_n we_o say_v that_o a_o adult_n sinner_n can_v be_v save_v without_o contrition_n you_o say_v he_o may_v be_v save_v with_o attrition_n and_o sacerdotal_a absolution_n we_o say_v that_o a_o man_n how_o soon_o he_o sin_n be_v bind_v to_o repent_v most_o of_o the_o doctor_n of_o your_o present_a romish_a church_n say_v that_o a_o man_n be_v not_o so_o much_o as_o bind_v present_o to_o attrition_n far_o less_o to_o contrition_n yea_o your_o own_o great_a clerk_n testify_v that_o in_o your_o confession_n there_o be_v no_o notice_n take_v of_o the_o delay_n of_o repentance_n either_o by_o priest_n or_o penitent_a will_v not_o the_o serious_a consideration_n of_o this_o one_o particular_a make_v any_o sober_a person_n who_o mind_n be_v not_o prepossess_v with_o prejudice_n abhor_v your_o papal_a religion_n but_o it_o may_v be_v object_v in_o your_o behalf_n that_o some_o of_o your_o old_a doctor_n such_o as_o guliel_n parisiensis_fw-la johannes_n major_n etc._n etc._n do_v maintain_v that_o a_o sinner_n be_v present_o bind_v to_o repent_v i_o grant_v it_o be_v so_o but_o this_o make_v nothing_o against_o that_o which_o i_o have_v say_v who_o know_v not_o
nothing_o that_o be_v sufficient_a to_o distinguish_v your_o religion_n from_o a_o false_a religion_n it_o remain_v alwise_o in_o that_o state_n as_o have_v be_v often_o tell_v you_o that_o a_o man_n be_v in_o who_o be_v affirm_v indeed_o to_o be_v a_o honest_a man_n but_o such_o a_o honest_a man_n that_o there_o be_v no_o difference_n betwixt_o he_o and_o a_o knave_n likewise_o i_o omit_v here_o that_o long_a discourse_n whereby_o you_o disclaim_v calvine_n as_o the_o author_n of_o your_o religion_n and_o claim_v to_o john_n hus_n and_o the_o albigenses_n at_o last_o to_o be_v upon_o your_o side_n though_o the_o world_n know_v that_o theyâ—_n be_v not_o of_o your_o religion_n likewise_o i_o slight_a your_o long_a patrociny_n that_o you_o make_v to_o defend_v your_o patriarch_n luther_n that_o he_o do_v not_o leap_v out_o of_o the_o catholic_n church_n but_o only_o out_o of_o the_o romish_a church_n though_o if_o you_o have_v do_v complete_o this_o defence_n you_o shall_v have_v show_v 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