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A47200 The woman-preacher of Samaria a better preacher, and more sufficiently qualified to preach than any of the men-preachers of the man-made-ministry in these three nations / by George Keith. Keith, George, 1639?-1716. 1674 (1674) Wing K236; ESTC R218789 20,048 40

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Woman which Paul permitted not to speak the flesh for say they If the Woman be the flesh then who is the fleshes Husband Now let them hear Bernard a Man I am verily perswaded far excelling them both in Piety and Learning who saith the flesh is to be subject to the Spirit or Spiritual part in us and so she shall be our Wife a fruitful Vine in the sides of our House by which flesh is not to be understood sin or sinfull Concupiscence but the animal or inferior part of a Man which is the Creature of God and is of good use unto them who are Sanctified and renewed And as concerning the Woman mentioned by Paul in his first Epistle to Timothy Chap. 2. v. 12 13 c. not onely Bernard as I have shewed but Augustine who Lived twelve hundred Years ago and one of the most Renowned Fathers in the Church in those dayes and who is of great account at this day both among Papists and Protestants doth by the woman understand the flesh and by her Children he doth understand good works for thus he writeth Libro de trinitate 12. upon the words of the Apostle to Timothy She shall be saved by bearing of Children In that Sex of Male and Female saith he the Apostle Paul from this may be understood to have figured the Mystery of something more secret his words in Latine run thus In isto Sexu Masculi Faeminae Apostolus Paulus occultioris cujusdam rei figurasse Mysterium vel hinc intelligi potest And again the same Augustine writeth thus Tractatu in Psal 83. Salva ergo erit Mulier quae in typo carnis accipitur per filiorum generationem id est si faciat opera bona That is in English the Woman therefore shall be saved which is taken in the Type of the flesh by the Generation of Children that is if she do good works I Answer secondly If I should so far condes●end or agree unto them as to take the words of Paul for Women in the common sense of speech what will they gain by it That no Women are to speak in the Church or that Women in no case are to speak in the Church if so why then are they sound so great and palpable transgressors themselves who not onely permit but command Women frequently to speak in their own Churches even in their most publick Assemblies And verily if the thing were not so publickly and ordinarily practised in this Land I should almost be ashamed to mention it the matter it self is so shameful a thing How is it I say to you I speak who are called Ministers of the Kirk of Scotland that ye not onely permit but command yea and force Women and that of the worst sort to wit Whores and Adulterous Women and who have committed Fornication again and again and that without any real signs of true Repentance to come in before the Face of the whole Congregation to speak And the place wherein they are appointed to stand is not much unlike to your Pulpits but that it is larger that it may hold three or four and I my self as many with me have seen it filled with as many as it could well hold and these unhonest Women are commanded to speak publickly in the Church yea the Preacher after he himself hath made an end calleth them by their particular Names one by one and bids them speak to the Edification of the Congregation and so they must all speak one by one to the Edification of all and those who are most impudent and least sensible either of their sin or their shame will readily speak most but in great Hipocrisie and deceit for you your selves know that a true Penitent is rarely to be found among them If you say This is not Preaching or Teaching but only a confessing of their sins and asking God Mercy and the like I answer Is not confessing their sins speaking and asking Mercy of God so that the Congregation may hear is not this speaking Now the Apostle saith 1 Cor. 14.34 Let your Women keep silence in the Churches for it is not permitted unto them to speak So the Apostle useth this general word to speak And yet surely confessing of sin and praying for forgiveness so that the Congregation may hear is speaking yet it is permitted unto these Whorish and Dishonest Women at that time to exhort the People and warn them to beware of the snares of the Enemy and the like words and this i● a sort of Teaching and I my self have heard some of them who had learned the knack of it more than others spake by way of Exhortation and Instruction that she seemed to speak almost as well and to as good purpose as the Preacher himself Now let all Sober and Impartial People judge in this Case betwixt those Men and us they not onely permit but command dishonest Women who have been Whores to speak in the Church whereas we command no Woman at all to speak in the Church but this we say if God by his Spirit move or command a godly sober Religious Woman to speak in the Church we are not to forbid her yea we are to hear her and we may be both edified and refreshed by her Testimony it being the spirit of God which speaketh unto us in her and by her Yea That the Apostle did not forbid all Women in all cases to to speak is plain for in the same Epistle chap. 11. v. 5. he sheweth how the Woman is to be covered that Prayeth or Prophecyeth which plainly holdeth forth that some Women at least did both Pray and Prophecy in the Church in his day yea and ye your selves allow Women to Sing in the Church which is a sort of speaking and if they sing publickly in the outward hearing why may they not pray publickly in the outward hearing for both is a sort of speaking seeing in both they utter words What sort of Women then is it whom Paul doth not permit to speak in the Church in these two places above-mentioned 1 Cor. 14.34 and 1 Tim. 2.12 13. c. taking them for Women in the common litteral sence Verily let us but look into the Context or words going before in both places and that will clear it for they are such women as need to be taught themselves even First Unlearned Women Secondly Tatling Women that were not yet come to the true silence Thirdly Unruly Proud Women that were not come to the true subjection all which is implyed in these words Let the Women learn in silence with all subjection for no doubt there were such Women among them of Ephesus where Timothie then was who had need of these Instructions And Fourthly vain Women who were given to vain and gaudy Apparel such as Gold or Pearls or costly Array and were not yet come to be covered with the Spirit of the Lord. Fifthly Such as Usurped Authority over the Man Sixthly Such as were in the Transgression and deceived