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A33770 Theophilus and Philodoxus, or, Several conferences between two friends the one a true son of the Church of England, the other faln off to the Church of Rome, concerning 1. praier in an unknown tongue, 2. the half communion, 3. the worshipping of images, 4. the invocation of saints / by Gilbert Coles. Coles, Gilbert, 1617-1676. 1674 (1674) Wing C5085; ESTC R27900 233,018 224

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breviaries_n ibid._n c._n 17._o maria_fw-la matergratiae_fw-la mater_fw-la misericordiae_fw-la tu_fw-la nos_fw-la ab_fw-la host_n etc._n etc._n bellarmin_n tell_v we_o the_o church_n catholic_n in_o her_o hymn_n to_o the_o virgin_n mary_n pray_v thus_o o_o marry_o mother_n of_o grace_n mother_n of_o mercy_n do_v thou_o defend_v we_o from_o the_o enemy_n and_o and_o receive_v we_o in_o the_o hour_n of_o death_n if_o we_o may_v judge_n of_o word_n by_o their_o signification_n doubtless_o this_o prayer_n import_v more_o than_o bare_o a_o desire_n of_o her_o assistance_n by_o her_o prayer_n phil._n bellarmin_n in_o the_o same_o place_n give_v you_o a_o general_a rule_n against_o such_o sinister_a construction_n verborum_fw-la construction_n nos_fw-la non_fw-la agere_fw-la de_fw-fr verbis_fw-la at_o sensis_fw-la verborum_fw-la we_o dispute_v not_o of_o the_o word_n but_o of_o their_o sense_n now_o the_o sense_n of_o our_o church_n in_o all_o such_o petition_n be_v that_o the_o bless_a 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