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the_o particular_a diocese_n or_o sea_n of_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n may_v be_v call_v a_o particular_a church_n yet_o as_o she_o be_v the_o centre_n and_o fountain_n of_o unity_n in_o who_o all_o the_o particular_a member_n of_o the_o church_n catholic_a be_v unite_v she_o be_v and_o may_v be_v true_o and_o proper_o call_v the_o catholic_a church_n and_o now_o good_a doctor_n the_o discovery_n of_o these_o two_o fallacy_n may_v serve_v for_o a_o full_a and_o sufficient_a answer_n to_o almost_o your_o whole_a book_n but_o let_v we_o proceed_v 5._o now_o the_o doctor_n begin_v to_o muster_v up_o his_o argument_n against_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n to_o prove_v she_o be_v not_o the_o catholic_a church_n and_o first_o if_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n say_v he_o he_o the_o catholic_a church_n where_o be_v the_o catholic_a church_n before_o she_o become_v a_o church_n here_o i_o expect_v the_o doctor_n will_v have_v begin_v to_o speak_v sense_n but_o it_o will_v not_o be_v let_v we_o 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have_v not_o be_v the_o catholic_a church_n just_o so_o will_v i_o prove_v that_o d._n boughen_n have_v not_o be_v a_o doctor_n of_o divinity_n for_o these_o five_o year_n last_o pass_v there_o be_v a_o time_n when_o d._n boughen_n be_v no_o doctor_n at_o all_o therefore_o d_o boughen_n have_v not_o be_v a_o doctor_n of_o divinity_n for_o these_o five_o year_n last_o pass_v into_o what_o a_o labyrinth_n of_o absurdity_n have_v the_o poor_a doctor_n cast_v himself_o 8._o let_v we_o now_o proceed_v to_o the_o next_o argument_n and_o sum_n it_o up_o as_o far_o as_o it_o be_v capable_a into_o a_o syllogistical_a form_n if_o rome_n be_v the_o catholic_a church_n then_o if_o she_o be_v orthodox_n the_o catholic_a church_n be_v orthodox_n if_o she_o be_v heretical_a or_o schismatical_a the_o whole_a church_n must_v be_v heretical_a and_o schismatical_a but_o the_o catholic_a church_n be_v never_o heretical_a or_o schismatical_a and_o yet_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v be_v miserable_o 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&_o tenerent_fw-la we_o think_v fit_a etc._n etc._n that_o all_o our_o fellow_n bishop_n may_v steadfast_o approve_v of_o and_o embrace_v you_o and_o your_o communion_n that_o be_v the_o catholic_a church_n unity_n and_o charity_n be_v it_o not_o plain_a by_o these_o word_n that_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n consist_v in_o the_o communion_n with_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n and_o if_o there_o be_v no_o catholic_a unity_n but_o in_o communion_n with_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n it_o be_v apparent_o impossible_a that_o any_o one_o can_v be_v unite_v to_o the_o catholic_a church_n that_o be_v not_o in_o communion_n with_o the_o bishop_n and_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n beside_o that_o the_o church_n be_v build_v upon_o s._n peter_n and_o his_o successor_n i_o have_v already_o full_o prove_v sect._n 25._o and_o sect._n 58._o to_o which_o i_o will_v add_v one_o testimony_n more_o out_o of_o s._n cyprian_n epist_n ad_fw-la quintinum_fw-la nam_fw-la nec_fw-la petrus_n 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