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A52604 The agreement of the Unitarians with the Catholick Church being also a full answer to the infamations of Mr. Edwards and the needless exceptions of my Lords the Bishops of Chichester, Worcester and Sarum, and of Monsieur De Luzancy. Nye, Stephen, 1648?-1719. 1697 (1697) Wing N1503; ESTC R30074 64,686 64

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