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A35294 A disputation between a doctor and an apothecary, or, A reply to the new argument of Dr. R. Burthogge, M.D. for infants baptism wherein the novelty in which it glories is justly censured and its harmony proved to be no better than self repugnancy and a manifest abuse of scripture / by Philip Cary, a neighbouring apothecary ... Cary, Philip. 1684 (1684) Wing C740; ESTC R31289 47,589 144

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