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A46634 A vindication of that part of Spira's despair revived which is challenged by the Anabaptists, and shamefully callumniated by John Wells, a Baptist preacher : wherein also some things are handled relating to infant baptism and dipping in baptism : particularly it is evinced that dipping is not essential to the sacrament of baptism / by Thomas James, author of Spira's despair revived. James, Thomas.; James, Thomas. Spira's despair revived. 1695 (1695) Wing J437; ESTC R32366 32,972 42

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and being there a time consisting of some Days at least and getting away from thence as though he were under some Confinement in the use of Means for his Recovery Well it seems Mr. Wells is good at Invention and that is a notable part of an Orator but it is just as his natural Logick I observed before I dare say no Master of Rhetorick did ever teach him to invent after this manner Aristotle Cicero Quintilian c would have been ashamed of it though they were Heathens And though we may sometimes conceal Truth and this we have Presidents in Scripture for yet neither the Light of Nature nor the written Word will allow us to forge after this manner But who made this Officious Lye I know not only this I observe that because they would Print somewhat and had little to go upon nothing in truth therefore they have set up all this Sail and run themselves a ground Mr. James bestirs himself saith he strange that one Visit and but a very short one should be a bestirring a Man's self when it was but a few Miles off and the Man lay so long in trouble that I might have been there many scores of times for one or as oft as some of my Adversaries take occasion to talk with those they hope to bring over to their Opinion But what did I persuade him him to Why to go to Town to board Just as much as to go to London or elsewhere to be dipt by Mr. Wells of whose Name at that time I know not that I had ever heard And how should any know that I perswaded him to such a thing as this My Friend with me who heard all our Discourse is a perfect Stranger to it and his Sister declares she heard nothing of all we said But now least I do them wrong and give not the true sense and meaning of the Words and to do Mr. Wells wrong though indeed it would prove well for him if he had only written false English and mistook in the Sense I appeal to all Englishmen and desire every Reader to say if this be not the true meaning of the Words That I perswaded the Man R. M to go to Town to Board and make use of a Physician of my own way which was done i. e. the Man took my Counsel and came to Ashford to board and while he was here after sometime longer or shorter it matters not so it be allowed to be but some Days for so he writes of one Day while they were consulting together surely he means the Physician and my self for he mentioned no other before and his Sense carries it this way he heard them say thus and thus and so he gets away Now if I have given his Sense right and understand his English which surely is even so if Mr. Wells write intelligibly then here is a wild Romance and a Tale told and a foul pack of Lyes and all to make me ridiculous But I would fain know who of all Ashford Town can say that ever R. M. was here at Board during his Melancholy What Anabaptist can stand forth and help Mr. Wells or his Friends out of this Mire In whose House did he board or lodge As for my own part I protest I do not know nor can I call to mind that ever I saw that poor Man but once at his own House and once or twice while I was in the Pulpit But that the Doctor and my self should ever discourse of him thus and he near enough to over-hear us is too like some other Passages in the Reply Yea if they would turn it upon his Cousin R. M. and his Wife that they said so and talked so foolishly as I find they harp upon it yet that will not serve their turn for they not only deny it but Mr. Wells hath written and Printed it as I think I have shewed quite otherwise Well upon this wonderful Relation he gravely proceeds Now if this be so then all this stirr to bespatter the Baptists is to clear your self But you are the more intangled and are taken in the Snare you laid and I could wish there had been no occasion to discover it Discover it A wonderful discovery indeed I am perswaded when this Vindication comes forth Mr. Wells will wish indeed with all his Heart there had not one been Word written by him and that his Friends had been tongue-tied when they told him such a Story Are these the Bonds and Fetters Mr. Wells and his Friends have put upon me And do they think to bring me forth and expose me thus to make them Sport Alas I can as easily break them as Sampson did his Wit hs and Cords and I am certain they themselves have pull'd down an House upon their Heads For shame let Mr. Wells write a Retractation though it be but for the sake of this single Story and seeing it is resolved that he or some other shall answer again write what I will as one of them told me it seems they are greatly in love with Printing and are proud of appearing such able Persons by all means let them clear this foul matter but let them take care least their stirring too far make it worse But it is high time to come to other things and that in the last place to answer the Accusations brought against me as though I had slandered the Baptists in representing them as Persons wh● are industrious to make Proselytes and in urging Dipping so a● to make it a Salve for every Sore 'T is needless to set down th● Reply made to this Charge and I am really afraid I shall tire m● Reader in leading him up and down after Mr. Wells's defence 〈◊〉 his Friends and Party Though for brevity I repeat not his Word● yet I will do him no wrong if I should it would appear and not be to my advantage but I propound the Case plainly and answer it home These are the things then he quarrels with me for having reflected on the Anabaptists as industrious to make Proselytes and urging Dipping as though all Religion did consist in going down into the Water and in short he challenges me to assign the guilty or else he saith p. 21. It must be concluded you cannot and then in what a shameful Case will you appear Now as to my assigning the Criminals I have already said a little in answer thereto it is not always fit and meet nor is it material Cui bono To what good would it be I have named some to their Teachers and instead of taking a course with them they thought to take a course with me and promised one Mr. Wells to print against me for justifying my Charge and to tell the World confidently all was a Slander What should I name any Persons to the World when they have been named publickly enough and they take no notice not at least to be openly known of but shut their Eyes and stop their Ears and run upon me