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A15697	The fore-runner of Bels dovvnefall wherin, is breifely answered his braggnig [sic] offer of disputation, and insolent late challenge: the particularties [sic] of the confutation of his bookes, shortly by goddes grace to be published, are mentioned: with à breife answere, to his crakinge and calumnious confutinge of papistes by papistes them selues: and lastly à taste. Giuen of his rare pretended sinceritye, with som few examples.	Woodward, Philip, ca. 1557-1610.; Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610, attributed name.	1605 (1605)	STC 25972.5; ESTC S114156	24,220	62

same doctrine that S. Peter had done before them and yet in an other place mainteineth that Pope Siricius was seduced by Sathan published wicked doctrine and taught the flat doctrine of the diuells and Pope Sozimus falsified the decrees of the Nicen councel so to mainteine the vsurped primacie of the church of Rome seing both these Popes liued in S. Augustins time To deliuer him selfe from this disgracious shakell which much hindereth his goinge he fetcheth many crosse capers tumbleth like a pig in a poke but he is so hampered that the more he strugleth the more fast is he caught the holes are so straight and him selfe so big that there is is no creepinge out well may he thruste his head forth as his brother Eaton the minister by Hounslowe did vpon the pillerie in London for teachinge his daughter a wrong lesson but no possibility of escapinge appeereth Many soueraigne solucions forsooth and diuers plaisters of I-sayes are applied to cure the wounde but all in vaine for it festereth more and more without all hope of amendment Bad tinkers stop one heale ad make an other Bell is so cuninge a worke man that he hath both left the olde leakinge stil and made diuers new I touch this point now breiflie better oportunitie hereafter will be offered further to examin this matter when god willinge all his bucklers of defence shall be beaten vpon his owne face At this present I will giue the reader a short viewe of the great dexteritie he hath in answeringe and the wonderfull facilitie in lyinge and the great pleasure he seemeth to take in that occupation insistinge so much vpon that and amplifienge it at lardg as if he had either conscience in his soule or blood in his cheekes he would neuer for shame once haue mentioned I will cite all his wordes at full that no iust cause of complaint be giuen In his third chapter the title wherof is Of the notorious lies of E. O. thus he declaimeth Pope Siricius as Thomas Bell affirmeth was seduced by Sathan published wicked doctrine and Precisians came daylie to a winter morning lecture where after other preparatiue discourses when the mot was giuen by the preacher and the text of Multiplicamini proclaimed candles were put out and that they frequented this exercise fare more dilligently then they obserued the Lenten fast and brought nothinge to iustifie my relation how would he take me vp for halting Yea I am verily perswaded that albeit I should say that such a thinge hapned in a principall towne in Barkshire addinge also that the minister vpon the breakinge forth of the matter fearinge persecution for the testimonie of a good conscience fled a way towardes Oxford and venturinge with his horse to take the water because he had haste in his way and could not expect a boate was there drowned that he would not make any great scruple notwithstandinge these particularities to giue me the lie Let him then with far more reason quietly disgest it him selfe His odious tearmes of blinded and besotted vnsauorie traditions and superstitious illusions must be pardoned Some haue such a defect of nature that they can not speake vnles thy stammer and Sir Thomas such an imperfection of grace that except he rayle and lie he can write nothinge S. Hierom calleth the Lenton fast a tradition of the Apostles though it pleaseth him to call it an vnsauorie tradition so litle doth it like him and to say truth the old tradition commandinge so longe abstinence from fleashe can not but be to the ministers mouth sower and vnsauorie and the new Geneua fashion that geueth leaue by the libertie of the gospell to eate fleash at all times is far more sauorie tothsome and pleasant VI. THus much out of the Downe fall now for a packinge blowe one bout more and so an end In this booke of his which he published the last yeare 1603 and coupled it together with his Goulden ballance the good man seemeth to be much netled and the waters of his patience so troubled and shaken that they be not yet queit and cleere for a certaine Catholike author in a booke intituled A Detection c. written against Master Sutcliff and Master taught the flat doctrine of the diuel These are the expresse wordes of E. O. whom as it seemeth the diuel did euen then posesse when he vitered them For not one of these wordes TAVGT THE FLAT DOCTRINE OF THE DIVEL can be found in my Suruey in the place which E. O. hath quoted but these wordes which of purpose he did omitt prohibited mariage as an vnlawful thinge This therefor is a notorius and a most malicious lie It is a lye in grame and that a knocker to vse his owne wordes else where adorned with the name of the diuell to giue the more grace vnto it And that worthelie because the diuel is the Architect and thiefe worckman in that art and occupation Here is a greueous complaint put vp against E. O. for that he hath slaundred the minister and vttered a notorious and moste malicious lie a lie in graine and a knocker adorned with the name of the diuell c. and the lye consisteth in this point because E. O. chardgeth Bell as though he should say that Siricius taught the flatt doctrine of the diuele none of which wordes as he affirmeth can be found in his Surueye in the place which E. O. hath quoted and this inturie he reputeth for a fault of no smale qualitie when he writeth that the deuile as it seemeth did euen then posesse him when he vttered them A greuous crime doutles that in his seeminge opinion deserued so suddaine and seuere a punishment or els he presumeth much vpon the diueles friendship when he is readie to conceiue that for a trifelinge iniurie offered to his ministership he tooke the matter so hotely as to prosecute it in such terrible reuenging maner But now nothwithstandinge all this bitter and fearfull exclamation what if these wordes be found in his Surueye and in that verie place which E. O. hath noted vpon whom them doth the notorious and malicious lye fall whose coate is died and marked with the lye in graine whose credit doth the knockinge lye batter and beate and whose tenement moste like to giue the diuele intertainment That the said Siricius was seduced by Sathan and published wicked doctrine he denieth not why I beseech him is there any such great difference betwixt these wordes which he graunteth and those other which he doth not graunt that he should mount vp into such extrauagant tearmes let them be indifferently pondered and they expresse the verie same meaninge● for is it not trulie verified of him that he doth teach the flatt doctrine of the diuele of whom it is confessed that he was seduced by Sathan and published wicked doctrine Put them into an equall ballance and a dram of difference in sence and true construction wil not be found for Bell is no

vvith a loquela tua te manifestum facit thy speech doth bewraye thee In the second fortified also with diuers reasons he acknowledgeth our faith which with might and maine he would seeme to oppugne to be the truth and that very religion which Iesus Christ god man brought from the bosome of his father and planted in the worlde so that the Protestants haue againe iuste cause to complaine of him as Balec did of Balaam for blessinge those whom they expected he should haue cursed and worthelie to haue him in iealousie as being fled to them with the same minde that Chusai Arachites did from Dauid to the campe seruice of Absalō The fourth entreateth of the weake groundes of his vvorkes to vvitt vvhat deceites he vseth in reasoninge with exsamples for more perspicuitie and light what treacherous trickes also he practiseth concerninge Doctors and Fathers Councells and Scripture so that the reader shal haue a perfect Anatomy of the corrupt body of his bookes with their manifolde maladies and diseases and with all behould all his foundations and ground workes vndermined and his fortifications blowen vp The fifth and last shall answere the recapitulation of his Suruey or as he partlie speaketh the Perioch in which he would shew at what time diuers points of our religion came in And although what hitherto hath bin written concerneth only his first two bookes yet will I now take the paynes to veiw ouer those also which came out after as that terrible tooth-lesse bitinge beagell called the huntinge of the Romishe Fox the naturall ympe of his motiues and Suruey begotten by them in sinne and iniquitie it resembleth the parentes so liuelie as though it had crept out of their mouthes his Goulden Ballance also with the yoake-fellowe The Counterblast and lastely his late Downefal and what in them I shall thinke meete accordinge to the order propounded by rancke in his due place Yf ought els be added for exsample a more particular reply to the challenge of his Downfall that must be counted for a worke of superarogation what reason hath he now to feare that he shall die before he see his confusion Tender boughes and younge leaues as scripture saith and experience teach are a token that sommer is at hand the particularities likewise before mētioned as buddes shootinge forth are a signe of more plentifull blosomes shortlie to followe if the colde easterne winde of pouertie doth not hinder the growinge and keepe back the springe My principall hope is in our good Lord that as he hath giuen me a minde to write polishe and set forth the worke so he wil asiste me not only with health and libertie but also furnishe me with all those thinges which for such an exploit be necessarie Yf his diuine wisedome which reacheth from end euen to end mightely and disposeth all thinges sweetlie shal othervvise ordanie his name be blessed humaine councels must with al obedience yeald to heauenly prouidēce only I would haue the curteous reader to vnderstande and Bell to knowe that there shall be no fault in me for performinge of what soeuer is promised more then which neither can I in reason assure nor any with equitie euer expect That Papistes doe not oppugue papistes as Bel vainely vaunteth with the discouery of a double slight which concerninge this point he practiseth CHAP. IIII. THe principall thinge wherein Bel would be thought to out runne his fellowe ministers if any he hath and to vvin the bel from them al is a certaine singular gift and superexcellent dexteritie of confoundinge our religion by the professors of our faith and setting one Papist together by the eares with an other This new inuention of his in the epistle dedicatorie of his motiues dedicated to the right Honorable lords of the Councell him self calleth A rare methodical discourse such is the rare humilitie of the reformed order and the memorie therof is so gratefull that he is often twanglinge vpon this stringe to omitt other places in his late Downfal though long since a fowle downefall brake the neck of his soule he obserueth That popish religion hath alwayes beene condemned of great learned papistes that liued in the popes church and in another place his margent telleth vs that The Papistes graunt as much as they desier which I would willingly confesse to be true were not he in sayinge so a notable liar How then cometh it to passe will some say that vsually he alleadgeth Catholike authors againste chatholicke doctrine The question is quicklie answered it is not their default but his fraude not his great learning but litle conscience that is the cause thereof The scriptures are daylie for diuers mad purposes vvrested and wroung cleane a gainst the heate and cōtrarie to their true sence meaninge as all knowe and yet no blame to be laid vpon the sacred text but vpon those crooked Apostles that depraue them to their owne and others perdition Yf the word of god may be peruerted mens writinge haue no such priueledge but that they may meete with false fingers such as Bels bee and therfore I giue him to vnderstand that he abuseth gods church deceiueth his ignorant reader and iniureth Catholike authors whē he would make the vvorld beleeue that our owne Docters doe wounde our religion They are cleere from the crime obiected al the suspition which is grovven taketh roote from his malice and not from any desert of theirs they carry not tvvo faces vnder one hoode nor blovve hoate and colde out of one mouth as some doe euery way as honest as Thomas Bel and yet bad inoughe as I intende more breiflie to let the reader to vnderstand Tvvo slightes he vseth to dazell the eies of vnlearned men persvvading them that the spirituall souldiars of the Catholike church haue turned their vveapons to their mutual destruction The first that moste grosse shamefull and common is to falsifie or by one vvay or other to depraue such sentences as he produceth for proofe vvhereof I referr the reader for a litle triall to the next chapter vvhere he shall finde some fevv exsamples more choise of such vvares he shall finde at the next mart vvhere his foule fardle shal be laid open to the veivv of all The second is Whereas Catholike vvriters haue diuersitie of opinions vvith vnitie of religion dissenting in smale matters as namely those vvhich vvee cal schoole-questiōs but neuer disagreeing in any artickle of faith no one euer formally opposinge him self against any thinge defined in generall councell for no such president can he bringe forth yet he maketh his tounge to vvalke and vvould haue the vvorld to thinke that one Papist doth massacre another and that vve had varietie in artickles of faith as though the lunasie of the Protestants had infected vs Plentifull exsamples hereof vve haue in his booke of motiues I vvill breifly cite one Many papistes quoth he as Aquinas Richardus c. doe hould that a simple

nere allied to the rineged minister of Baschall then Sathan is to the diuile These are vaine shiftes idle vagaries a cuninge wheelinge from the matter cries out Sir Thomas To the point shew the foresaid wordes or els E. O. remaineth cōuicted of notorious lyinge and I in the back house ditch for takinge his parte seeing he is so short and so cutted to take away all cauilles and to chamber the clapper of his runinge red rag I tell him that for the wordes wherewith Bell is chardged two places of his Surueye are quoted to witt pag. 228. and 230. and in the first quotation of 228. be those wordes found which he admitteth and in the next of 230. is that sentence registred which he denieth vtterlie euer to haue spoken for reuellinge at Siricius for callinge not holie wedlocke as he saith he must take an heare from his beard which had he done so often as he hath ouerreached he had bin a balde minister longe since but the filthie yoakinge and pretensed mariage of Preistes the pollution of carnall concupiscence he exclameth against him in this manner I add hereunto that this is the flatt doctrine of the diuele and S. Paul is my verie witnes herein I report me now to his deuoted dependants whether his witts were at home when he medled with such hot and dangerous edge tooles as haue pitifully hurt and scaled his owne fingers or what discretion shame or modestie he had to pursue his aduersarie with so full mouth and strong a crie of wordes in vvhich the diuele also had his part so vainlie to vaunt of his sincere proceedinge so desperatly to deny any of these vvordes taught the flatt doctrine of the diuele to be in the place quoted and confidently to chardge his aduerfarie vvith a notorious lye vvhen he had more reason to haue commanded his tounge silence seeing it hath found out his ovvne confusion neuer to haue preached of sinceritie vvhen he plaide the cunny catchinge companion nor euer to haue called an other in question for lyinge him selfe in that very place not only venturinge vpon an vntruth but also in that verie same thinge which as a notorious lye he obiecteth to an other As for S. Paul where he vvould haue his vvitnes he may talke is pleasure and say vvhat he list but he may sooner spend all his pensions in Sub-penas then euer bringe that blessed Apostle to depose in his side for the lawfull mariage of vowed Preistes and religious persons The testimonie of their owne corrupt conscience yea and of their cōcupiscence they may haue the authoritie of any Apostle or authenticall auncient writer they are neuer able to produce And thus much breiflie for a sample cutt of as it were from the mayne webbe intended No difficultie had it beene to haue ranged more plentifully after the same maner both in these and other his bookes But my purpose was only at this time to giue a tast not to furnishe a formall bankett these few passages shall I hope for this present giue the gentle reader desierous of truth sufficient content being as it were the two messengers Chusy and Achimaas to bring newes of the ouerthrowe of this glorious Absalon who hath as shamefully apostared from his vocation and waged war against his mother the church as euer did that graceles impe reuolte from his naturall alleigaunce and tooke armes against his father the kinge the mayne battayle heauenlie grace asistinge me shall with conuenient speede followe after God that willeth not the death of a sinner put into the hartes of all such Protestaunts as loue truth and detest falshoode desier saluation with Christ and his Sanites and tremble at eternall damnation with the diuele and his angelles carefully to seeke for the knowledg of the pure auncient and Aposto like faith Zealously when it is found to keepe and imbrace it and constantly to liue and dye in the profession of the same B. C. FINIS Faire and soft for dashing what will this man be in the fight that is so hot and eager before he is yet entred the f●elde S. Epiphanius haeres 75. and S. Austen haeres 53. Se S Hierō contra Vigilantium Ciril 6. cōtra Iulian Cedrenus in Heraclio S. Alcoranus Mahumet cap. 15. 16. Matt. ●3 v. s Enuche Psalm 130. v. 2. In the preface speciall and pag. 35. and 36. To the Seminary Preists in vvisbich castle c. Pag. 57. and 65. pag. 80. Psalm 111. v. 9. In the speciall preface of his Motiues In the epistles dedicatory of his Motiues and Suruey 2. Reg. 15. v. 16. In his Counterblast pag. 45. pag 44. pag. 49. Ierem. 37. v. 18. pag. 45. Pag. 45. In his suruey to the christiā reader Mat. 26 v. 73. Num. 25. 2. Reg. 15. v. 34. e● cap 17. v. 15. Mat. 24 v. 32. Sap. 8. v. 1. pag. 18. pag. 7 ● Chap. 8 artic 12. In the former place In his Apologie of the Church of Englands Mat. 7. v. s. In his sermon printed by Iohn Windet 1590. pag. 13. Suruey Pag. 516. Goulden Ballance pag. 31. Mat. 7. v 15. 2. Cor. 11. v. 14. 3. Reg. ●1 v. 9. Rō 16. v. 18. Motiues 18. Iudg. 16. v. 30. 3. Part. tit 1. cap. 11 prop● finem Epist. 165. ad generosum Mat. 23. v. 3. 3. part tit 1. cap. 11. ss 1. Aug. lib. 1. Retract cap. 13. pag. 13. Aug. Retract lib. 1. cap. 15. pag. 16. In 2 lib. Sent. pag. 130. Loe the Frier granteth that al the holi● fathers are a gainst the Papists Suruey pag. 487. Genebrardus in Chrō Anni Christi 32. De verbis Apostoli Sermo 18. De verbo Dei lib. 3. cap. 2. tom 1. Rom. 12. v. 5. Suruey pag. 193. Suruey pag. 228. 230. Suruey pag. 488. Epist. ad Marcellum adversus Mont●num But they are found 1. Reg. ●8