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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A49256	Short and plaine animadversions on some passages in Mr. Dels sermon first preached before the Honourable House of Commons on Novemb. 25. 1646. But since printed without their order Setting forth the many dangerous and destructive assertions therein both to church and state, the covenant, and the reformation so much desired. Together, with an answer to an unlicensed pamphlet annext to the sermon, entituled, A reply to Master Loves contradictions. By Christopher Love minister of Anne Aldersgate, London. The second edition. Imprimatur Ja. Cranford. Decemb. 17. 1646.	Love, Christopher, 1618-1651.	1647 (1647)	Wing L3175; ESTC R220429	46,782	54

Confession of Faith but you had three passages in your Sermon against it 6. I am for a Form of Church government but you not so your Sermon wil testifie against you 7. I am for a Directory for VVorship and Catechizing you not so 8. I acknowledge my selfe bound in my place and calling to indevour the extirpation of Schism Heresie as wel as Popery or Prelacy but you do not so These things considered with what face can you say that I am more against the Covenant then you I hope the ingenuous Reader will be a judge of Righteous thoughts about this matter betwixt us both 4. You accuse me and many others through my weake sides as if we would Reform without and against the VVord though the Lord knows the purpose of our hearts that wee desire to make the VVord the rule to square all our services by but because you onely say it but not prove it 't is not worth a words speaking more 5. You most falsly accuse me and others of the Presbyterian judgment that we will not suffer Secular power in the Magistrates hands but will needs have it in our own we desire none of the Magistrates power in our hands which I have sufficiently spoken to in my Animadversions on your Sermon I must needs say you shew not plain and Christian dealing that when you cannot overthrow what Presbyterians say or practice by convincing arguments you would endevour to doe it by slanderous reports this is not fair Mr. Love If this doctrine be true that Gospel Reformation is only spirituall then I wonder how Paul was so out who said When I come I will set all things in order surely this was a Church-order Reply Page 35. But pray what outward or secular power had Paul who suffered not onely much from the world but most from the false Apostles to set the Church in order Did Paul thinke you use any worldly power to set the Church in order or only the power of the Word and Spirit But these men think if the Church he set in order by the Word and Spirit only which were sufficient in Pauls time it 's likely to be out of Order for them Ans. Having spoken to this Reply before I may spare my pains now yet m●st I let you know that you do me wrong in three particulars 1. In laying down a part of my words which you thought might best serve your purpose and leave out the other part of my words on which the weight of my argument lay in urging that text 1 Cor. 11.34 The rest I le set in order when I come I said this order must be about matters of Ecclesiasticall Discipline and not ordering about heart Reformation for Paul could not order any thing about this who should have this Reformation who should not who should have grace who not who should have small measures of grace who great so Pauls words must have reference to externall order in matters Ecclesiasticall as Calvin Piscator and Paraeus expounds it 4. You doe mee wrong in laying downe my words to some other thing then I intended as if I urged that Text to prove the power of the Civill Magistrate in matters of Religion which I did not other Scriptures testifie that sufficiently I need not wrest this but onely to prove that the new Testament warrants another kind of Reformation besides heart-Reformation consisting in Ecclesiastical Constitutions for externall order which this Text affirms 3. In affirming that I with others think if the Church b●e set in order by the VVord and Spirit it is like to be out of order for us I acknowledg the Church is then best ordered for us when ordered by the VVord seeing that order allows not such confused disorders as the want of Church Discipline would bring in Love To cry down all kind of government under heart-government and all Reformation as carnall because you have the civill Magistrates hand to it is against that place in 1 Tim 2 2. pray for Kings and all in authority that we may lead a peaceable life in all godlinesse and honesty Reply Well argued now indeed Babes and Sucklings you shall come forth and answer this Master in Israel the sense of this place is evidently this that Christians should pray for Kings and Governours that God would so incline their hearts that whilst wee live in godlinesse under them they would suffer us to live in peace and not make us fare the worse in the world for our interest in the Kingdome of God and what one drop can Mr. Love squeeze out of this Scripture to coole the tip of his tongue for the meaning is not that the Magistrate should inforce godlinesse but protect us in godlinesse An. To this I have 4 Things to say 1. 'T is true you have my sense in the words you laydown for mine but not my words I said indeed To cry down all Government and Reformation as carnall because it hath the Protection or civill sanction of the Magistrate doth crosse that place 1 Tim. 2.2 and so I say still and in stead of your calling forth your Babes and sucklings to answer this you your selfe dare not come forth and deny it 2. You had need call for Babes and Sucklings to answer this some body else had need doe it for indeed you doe not doe it your self nay you grant as much as I affirme which I shall declare presently 3. I cannot but take notice what a charitable allusion you have in comparing me to Dives that I should squeeze a drop to coole the tip of my tongue excellent good language for you to have in your mouth what a damned man in Hell spake if it bee not a Parable where the Law of Love did not beare sway You that have borrowed this one expression from Dives have borrowed many other expressions from some one else not farre from him 4. You grant what I affirme from 1 Tim. 2.2 You say the Magistrate should not inforce godlinesse but protect godlinesse So say I too if hee must protect us how can this bee but by giving his Civill Sanction to allow us the publike exercise of that Religion and Government Christ hath set up within his Dominion ●hus instead of denying you confirm what I said Love To justle out the Magistrates power is to justle out the first Article of the Covenant and they that justle out that wil justle out you shortly Reply Good Sir ascribe not your owne work to our hands the justling out of the Magistrate have you not made it a chiefe part of your businesse now for a long while together and are you not still so diligent●y acting it every day that now you thinke your worke is in some forwardnesse and are pretty well able to deale with him and now because you would not bee mistrusted your selves you pu●likely slander us with it wee see clearely through all your sl●nder disguises Answ. To return you an answer to this I have three things