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A84741 Truths vindication of election, and reprobation Wherein is shewed, Christ the cause of election; sin the cause of reprobation. The iustice of God is likewise cleared from that which is layd upon him by many; (namely) that some shall one day be damned for unbelief, and yet he never gave a Christ for them to beleeve in. Most of the strongest objections that scriptures or reason can make, answered. By William Fouler minister of the gospel at Ingworth in Norffolk. Fowler, William, minister of Ingworth, Norfolk. 1652 (1652) Wing F1639; Thomason E1376_4; ESTC R209255 16,436 44

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Truth 2 Thes 2. 12. Therefore there was a Christ which did dye for those that are damned And thus you see that it must needs be a Truth that Christ dyed for all and every man and this must needs be the meaning of the Holy Ghost in these Scriptures Object 3. But if Christ dyed for all why are not all saved Answ Because all do not beleeve although God did reedeem all Israel out of Egypt yet none entered Canaan but those that beleeved Jude 4. ver So although Christ redemeed all out of Egyptian darkness yet none shall be saved but those that beleeve Object 4. It is said Rom. 5. 9. That many are made righteous and in John 10. I lay down my life for my sheep Answ I beleeve that in one sense there is but few made righteous that is through Faith and the application of the blood of Christ but in that sense which I conceive the Holy Ghost to speak by the Apostle All are righteous that is by having the sin of Adam pardoned And for the word many it signifieth all many being in opposition to a few and this may be cleared by the twelfth Chapter of Daniel where by many are to be understood all Many shall arise some to everlasting life and some to everlasting contempt Now if many here be not all then some shall lie in the dust for ever which must not be admitted So that you see many is all in this Scripture and others for if Adams offence reached to all as it did in the former part of the Text many then why not the latter as well as the former As for Christs laying down of his life for his Sheep this is truth he did so but they were not Sheep when he layd down his life but Goats The Text doth not say he did not lay down his life for the Goats So the Apostles words Gallat 2. 20. Christ gave himself for me Did Christ give himself for none but for the Apostle Paul Object 5. Surely Christ would not dye for those he would not pray for but Christ would not pray for the World 17 John 9. Answ I beleeve Christ did not dye for any more than he prayed for but Christ prayed for beleevers but Christ prayed for unbeleevers and there is not any other in the word In this Text he saith he prayes not for the world but in the 20 verse there he prayeth for unbeleevers compared with Luke 3. 34. Father forgive them for they know not what they do Thus you see Christ prayed for the World although at that time he did not yet it doth not follow that he never prayed for the world for you see the contrary Further know that it is one thing to pray and another thing to dye Object 6. If Christ died for all then men must have free will to take and refuse good and evill as they please Answ And why so It doth not follow that because Christ dyed for all any hath free will I see no such thing can be inferred from it Object But surely it connot be that Christ should die for all Did he die for Judas Answ Yea he died for Judas If for every man then for Iudas but for every man Heb. 2. 9. therefore for Iudas Object 8. But Judas was a Devil and surely the Psalms saith of him that he should betray Christ as he did would Christ die for a Traytor Answ That Iudas was a Devill I grant but he was not so from the beginning see the 9. Chap. of S. Luke there Christ calleth twelve to him Judas being one of them and gave them power over all Devills and to preach the Gospell and to heal diseases surely Christ never gave Commission to any Devill to do these things and sure it is that his own corruption and covetous heart to betray his Master Christ for money that made him a Devill Object 9. But was he not ordained of God that he should betray his Master Christ Answ No he was not ordained of God for then if granted see what will follow That men may do that which God ordaineth them to do and yet perish and surely no man that doth that which God would have him to doe shall perish but shall be saved True God did know that Iudas would betray his Son and God sent his Son into the world that he should die for Sinners but that God intended that his Son should be betrayed and murthered in that barbarous manner I cannot see it will hold for see the blessed Apostle Peter Acts 2. 22 23. Yee men of Israel hear these words Iesus of Nazareth a man approved of God among you v. 23. him have yee taken and by wicked hands have crucified and slain And ver 36. and chap. 3. ver 14 15. Yee denied the holy one and the just and desired a murderer to be granted unto you and killed the Prince of life Now if God made them on purpose to doe these things why doth Peter so sharply reprove them Thus you see that Betrayers and Murderers are reproved not without cause The Son of man goeth about as it is written but wo unto that man by whom he is betrayed As if Christ had said Wo to Iudas that Traytor wo to Iudas that delivereth the Son of Man into the hands of men to be crucified wo to Iudas for his covetous heart to betray his Master for thirty pieces of silver a goodly price that I was valued at of them Zach. 11. v. 13. wo unto Iudas that ever he was born good had it been for him if he had never been born And thus Christ would never have said if God had made him on purpose to betray him and consequently Iudas doing the Will of God Object 10. But it is said whom God loveth be loveth to the end Answ Indeed men often say so but I see no Scripture say so that in the 13. Chapter of S. Iohn and the first verse is urged to that purpose the Text saith not so it readeth it thus Having loved his own which were in the world he loved them unto the end Now all true Believers are Christs own which he loveth for ever and to say any other thing from the words is to stretch it on the Tenters Object 11. If Vniversall Redemption be granted it will overthrow Election and Reprobation Answ It will not overthrow Election although it be granted I desire you would open your self concerning Election and Reprobation and I shall give you my judgement and I hope satisfaction by the Word which must be our Rule Object I believe that God from all eternity did choose some to be Vessells of glory which can never perish and did reprobate others leaving them to their selves which cannot bee saved I Answer I am perswaded that it was the purpose of God from all eternity that all that believe should be saved Nay further he chose them to believe to be obedient but it was through his Son he did not choose any because