Selected quad for the lemma: sense_n
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A seventh letter, concerning the sacred Trinity occasioned by a second letter from W.J. / by John Wallis ...
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Wallis, John, 1616-1703.
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Wing W604; ESTC R18000
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so_o as_o to_o make_v they_o three_o go_n or_o that_o they_o be_v so_o three_o as_o yet_o to_o be_v but_o one_o god_n and_o i_o be_o content_a to_o rest_v there_o i_o be_o sir_n you_o to_o serve_v you_o i._o wallis_n apr._n 11._o 1691._o 1691._o augustin_n epist._n 174._o spiritus_fw-la est_fw-la deus_fw-la &_o pater_fw-la spiritus_fw-la est_fw-la &_o filius_fw-la &_o ipse_fw-la spiritus_fw-la sanctus_n nec_fw-la tamen_fw-la tres_fw-la spiritus_fw-la sed_fw-la vnus_fw-la spiritus_fw-la sicut_fw-la non_fw-la tres_fw-la dii_fw-la sed_fw-la vnus_fw-la deus_fw-la