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scripture_n be_v require_v chap._n 31._o wherein_o the_o place_n 2._o tim._n 3.15_o allege_a to_o prove_v the_o fullness_n and_o sufficiency_n of_o the_o scripture_n alone_o be_v expound_v and_o urge_v against_o the_o jesuite_n cavil_n chap._n 32._o touch_v private_a spirit_n that_o expound_v against_o the_o church_n such_o private_a exposition_n refuse_v by_o the_o protestant_n and_o yet_o the_o papist_n have_v no_o other_o all_o teach_n be_v to_o be_v examine_v even_o by_o private_a man_n certain_a proposition_n show_v how_o the_o church_n teach_v may_v be_v or_o may_v not_o be_v examine_v and_o refuse_v chap._n 33._o how_o a_o private_a man_n be_v assure_v he_o understand_v and_o believe_v aright_o touch_v the_o last_o and_o high_a resolution_n of_o faith_n luther_n reject_v the_o father_n occhams_n opinion_n that_o no_o man_n be_v tie_v to_o the_o pope_n or_o his_o counsel_n the_o beraean_o examine_v the_o doctrine_n that_o they_o be_v teach_v the_o faith_n of_o the_o believer_n 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and_o they_o may_v judge_v of_o that_o they_o teach_v the_o jesuite_n dare_v not_o answer_v direct_o chap._n 36._o a_o entrance_n into_o the_o question_n touch_v the_o visibilitie_n of_o the_o protestant_a church_n in_o the_o former_a age_n wherein_o it_o be_v brief_o show_v where_n and_o in_o who_o it_o be_v chap._n 37._o not_o the_o church_n but_o the_o scripture_n be_v the_o rule_n the_o question_n touch_v the_o visiblenesse_n of_o the_o church_n proceed_v of_o the_o militant_a church_n in_o what_o sense_n we_o say_v the_o militant_a church_n be_v sometime_o invisible_a the_o papist_n think_v the_o church_n shall_v be_v invisible_a in_o the_o time_n of_o antichrist_n their_o contradiction_n touch_v antichrist_n brief_o note_v chap._n 38._o the_o papist_n can_v prove_v the_o church_n to_o be_v always_o visible_a in_o that_o sense_n wherein_o we_o deny_v it_o the_o diverse_a consideration_n of_o the_o church_n distinguish_v his_o quarrel_n make_v for_o our_o doctrine_n touch_v the_o 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the_o terinthians_n what_o religion_n have_v breed_v desperation_n chap._n 41._o a_o narration_n of_o a_o popish_a doctor_n and_o professor_n of_o divinity_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n translate_v out_o of_o acosta_n the_o temp_n novissimis_fw-la lib._n 2._o cap._n 11._o and_o maiolus_n die_v canicul_fw-la tom_fw-mi 2._o pag._n 89._o and_o insert_v for_o answer_v to_o that_o wherewith_o the_o jesuite_n reproach_n our_o church_n in_o the_o last_o word_n of_o his_o precedent_a reply_n chap._n 42._o a_o objection_n against_o the_o repliars_n catalogue_n diverse_a article_n condemn_v by_o the_o father_n mention_v in_o the_o catalogue_n that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n now_o use_v what_o consent_n there_o be_v between_o antiquity_n and_o papistry_n chap._n 43._o whatsoever_o the_o father_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n believe_v be_v express_v in_o their_o book_n the_o repliar_a be_v drive_v to_o say_v they_o hold_v much_o of_o his_o religion_n only_o implicit_o what_o implicit_a faith_n be_v according_a to_o the_o papist_n the_o death_n of_o zeuxis_n the_o father_n writ_n that_o which_o can_v stand_v with_o papistry_n chap._n 44._o the_o whole_a christian_a faith_n deliver_v to_o the_o church_n have_v succeed_v in_o all_o age_n yet_o many_o corruption_n have_v sometime_o be_v add_v how_o and_o in_o what_o sense_n the_o church_n may_v err_v a_o catalogue_n assign_v of_o those_o in_o who_o the_o protestant_n faith_n always_o remain_v what_o be_v require_v to_o the_o reason_n of_o succession_n chap._n 45._o the_o father_n be_v not_o against_o the_o protestant_n but_o with_o they_o touch_v the_o century_n reject_v of_o the_o father_n the_o cause_n of_o some_o error_n in_o the_o father_n gregory_n faith_n and_o convert_n england_n the_o papist_n have_v be_v formal_a innovator_n how_o they_o excuse_v the_o matter_n chap._n 46._o the_o error_n broach_v by_o the_o late_a divine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n their_o error_n maintain_v by_o that_o church_n and_o 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independent_a whereupon_o it_o nothing_o it_o hence_o it_o manifest_o appear_v that_o this_o antecedent_n will_v in_o god_n be_v no_o formal_a will_n because_o it_o work_v nothing_o follow_v that_o albeit_o god_n by_o his_o antecedent_n will_v will_v all_o man_n to_o be_v save_v yet_o no_o man_n be_v save_v by_o it_o forasmuch_o as_o all_o man_n be_v save_v consequent_o upon_o the_o condition_n of_o their_o work_n three_o i_o gather_v that_o god_n willing_a to_o save_v all_o by_o his_o antecedent_n will_v and_o yet_o de_fw-fr facto_fw-la save_v none_o but_o by_o his_o consequent_a will_n arise_v from_o that_o which_o he_o see_v or_o foresee_v in_o the_o creature_n it_o follow_v that_o the_o distinction_n of_o will_n antecdent_a and_o consequent_a be_v not_o real_a because_o according_a to_o the_o one_o of_o they_o god_n work_v nothing_o and_o this_o touch_a damascen_n own_v exposition_n 8_o other_o expound_v the_o antecedent_n will_v to_o be_v upon_o the_o first_o consideration_n of_o a_o thing_n and_o the_o consequent_a upon_o the_o latter_a consideration_n thus_o as_o god_n consider_v man_n absolute_o abstract_v from_o every_o thing_n that_o circumstantial_o belong_v unto_o he_o and_o represent_v he_o to_o himself_o only_o as_o a_o creature_n he_o will_v his_o good_a and_o salvation_n antecedent_o but_o consider_v he_o again_o not_o only_o according_a to_o his_o nature_n but_o also_o as_o he_o be_v a_o sinner_n or_o a_o just_a man_n so_o he_o will_v his_o salvation_n or_o damnation_n consequent_o according_a to_o that_o he_o find_v in_o he_o 1._o he_o tho._n 1._o p._n q._n 1â—_n art_n 6._o ad_fw-la 1._o thus_o aquinas_n express_v the_o distinction_n out_o of_o the_o metaphysic_n 3_o metaphysic_n as_o gregor_n arimin_n show_v at_o large_a â—_o 46._o q._n unic_n ad_fw-la 3_o clean_o contrary_a to_o damascen_n yea_o tho._n yea_o pag._n 306._o e._n in_o 1._o part_n tho._n say_v gregory_n of_o valence_n there_o be_v a_o manifest_a difference_n between_o this_o exposition_n of_o thomas_n and_o the_o former_a of_o damascen_n and_o this_o appear_v sufficient_o of_o itself_o which_o must_v be_v note_v against_o my_o adversary_n because_o he_o join_v thomas_n and_o damascen_n in_o a_o distinction_n wherein_o they_o be_v so_o far_o from_o agree_v that_o they_o be_v contrary_a and_o when_o he_o have_v do_v talk_v of_o our_o ignorance_n and_o not_o understand_v 9_o a_o three_o exposition_n be_v that_o which_o i_o note_v in_o the_o margin_n of_o my_o s_o my_o the_o way_n p._n 94._o s_o book_n that_o god_n antecedent_n will_v be_v when_o he_o supply_v mankind_n with_o all_o such_o help_n and_o mean_n whether_o of_o nature_n or_o grace_n as_o be_v sufficient_a to_o bring_v he_o to_o salvation_n but_o his_o consequent_a will_n be_v when_o he_o make_v these_o mean_n not_o only_o sufficient_a but_o effectual_a also_o and_o thereupon_o according_a to_o the_o merit_n of_o our_o work_n confer_v salvation_n and_o so_o he_o will_v the_o salvation_n of_o all_o antecedent_o by_o give_v they_o the_o mean_n and_o by_o consequence_n when_o he_o work_v effectual_o that_o which_o man_n deserve_v this_o exposition_n as_o it_o be_v the_o best_a so_o be_v it_o the_o common_a 29._o common_a occh._n 1._o d._n 46._o q._n 1._o camerac_n q._n 14._o art_n 1._o bonau_n d._n 47._o q._n 1._o diony_n d._n 46._o q._n 1._o dur._n d._n 47._o q._n 1._o clicton_n in_o damasc_n orth_n fid_fw-we l._n 2._o c._n 29._o and_o most_o use_v and_o in_o gregory_n opinion_n the_o fit_a but_o it_o differ_v real_o from_o the_o two_o former_a and_o fall_v in_o with_o the_o four_o interpretation_n of_o saint_n paul_n word_n 4._o word_n before_o n._n 4._o mention_v whereby_o god_n be_v say_v to_o will_v the_o salvation_n of_o all_o man_n only_o voluntate_fw-la signi_fw-la and_o no_o further_o and_o how_o my_o adversary_n will_v like_v it_o i_o know_v not_o but_o whether_o he_o do_v or_o no_o he_o may_v blush_v to_o see_v himself_o and_o his_o doctor_n thus_o use_v damascen_n word_n and_o yet_o retain_v so_o little_a of_o his_o meaning_n the_o which_o trick_n if_o our_o adversary_n will_v lay_v by_o and_o as_o they_o use_v the_o same_o term_n and_o word_n of_o the_o doctor_n so_o all_o of_o they_o in_o the_o magnify_a unity_n will_v retain_v the_o same_o sense_n and_o definition_n of_o the_o word_n we_o shall_v have_v short_a work_n with_o they_o and_o the_o ignorant_a shall_v not_o be_v so_o delude_v with_o colourable_a show_n of_o antiquity_n as_o they_o be_v 146._o pag._n 146._o a._n d._n let_v we_o therefore_o imagine_v that_o there_o be_v a_o earthly_a emperor_n or_o king_n who_o of_o his_o own_o nature_n be_v most_o mild_a and_o gracious_a and_o who_o of_o his_o own_o gracious_a and_o good_a disposition_n towards_o his_o subject_n do_v desire_n with_o a_o true_a inward_a primarie_n or_o antecedent_n will_v that_o every_o subject_n he_o have_v
may_v live_v in_o all_o happiness_n and_o yet_o this_o notwithstanding_o move_v with_o the_o consideration_n of_o the_o offence_n of_o his_o subject_n shall_v determine_v with_o a_o secondary_a and_o consequent_a will_n to_o execute_v justice_n by_o take_v away_o life_n from_o some_o of_o they_o in_o this_o case_n it_o may_v true_o be_v say_v that_o the_o king_n will_v have_v all_o his_o subject_n live_v the_o true_a and_o proper_a meaning_n of_o which_o say_v be_v that_o the_o king_n of_o his_o own_o part_n have_v a_o will_n to_o wit_n a_o antecedent_n will_v to_o save_v every_o subject_n from_o death_n although_o by_o a_o consequent_a will_n occasion_v by_o the_o offence_n of_o his_o subject_n he_o decree_v to_o put_v some_o to_o death_n the_o which_o his_o antecedent_n will_v be_v formal_o and_o proper_o the_o king_n will_v as_o well_o as_o the_o consequent_a and_o although_o in_o one_o sense_n this_o antecedent_n be_v not_o simple_o his_o will_n that_o be_v his_o final_a absolute_a resolution_n as_o the_o consequent_a will_n be_v yet_o in_o another_o sense_n it_o be_v simple_o his_o will_n that_o be_v that_o will_v which_o simple_o and_o only_o proceed_v from_o the_o king_n own_o natural_a inclination_n in_o which_o sense_n the_o will_v consequent_a be_v not_o to_o be_v account_v simple_o the_o king_n will_v in_o regard_n it_o proceed_v not_o only_a and_o simple_o out_o of_o his_o own_o natural_a inclination_n but_o be_v in_o a_o manner_n contrary_n to_o his_o inclination_n enforce_v or_o occasion_v by_o the_o ill_a desert_n of_o his_o subject_n now_o as_o all_o this_o be_v true_a in_o such_o a_o earthly_a prince_n as_o i_o have_v describe_v so_o in_o a_o proportionable_a manner_n it_o be_v as_o much_o or_o more_o true_a in_o god_n who_o be_v not_o only_o most_o mild_a gracious_a and_o good_a but_o infinite_a goodness_n itself_o who_o natural_a good_a disposition_n far_o more_o incline_v he_o to_o desire_v the_o salvation_n of_o all_o soul_n than_o any_o earthly_a king_n can_v by_o his_o mild_a and_o gracious_a disposition_n desire_v the_o life_n and_o happiness_n of_o all_o his_o subject_n and_o consequent_o like_a as_o that_o gracious_a king_n which_o i_o have_v describe_v have_v a_o true_a inward_a primarie_n or_o antecedent_n will_v proceed_v from_o his_o own_o only_a good_a disposition_n by_o which_o he_o desire_v that_o all_o his_o subject_n shall_v live_v notwithstanding_o he_o have_v also_o a_o secondary_a or_o consequent_a will_n occasion_v by_o the_o offence_n of_o his_o subject_n by_o which_o he_o determine_v to_o put_v some_o to_o death_n even_o so_o god_n have_v a_o true_a inward_a primary_n or_o antecedent_n will_v proceed_v from_o the_o natural_a inclination_n of_o his_o own_o divine_a goodness_n by_o which_o he_o desire_v that_o all_o shall_v be_v save_v notwithstanding_o that_o he_o have_v also_o according_a to_o our_o manner_n of_o understanding_n a_o secondary_a and_o consequent_a will_n to_o condemn_v some_o whereunto_o he_o be_v move_v by_o the_o just_a desert_n of_o man_n sin_n and_o as_o it_o may_v be_v true_o say_v of_o that_o king_n that_o he_o will_v have_v all_o his_o subject_n live_v the_o true_a and_o proper_a meaning_n of_o which_o word_n be_v that_o he_o have_v such_o a_o true_a inward_a primarie_n or_o antecedent_n will_v which_o be_v proper_o formal_o and_o in_o some_o sense_n simple_o the_o king_n will_v so_o it_o may_v be_v and_o be_v true_o say_v of_o god_n that_o he_o will_v have_v all_o man_n be_v save_v the_o true_a and_o proper_a meaning_n of_o which_o word_n be_v that_o god_n have_v a_o true_a inward_a primarie_n or_o antecedent_n will_v whereby_o he_o desire_v of_o his_o own_o part_n to_o save_v all_o man_n which_o will_n be_v proper_o formal_o and_o in_o some_o sense_n simple_o the_o will_n of_o god_n 10_o hitherto_o i_o have_v only_o stand_v to_o show_v how_o uncertain_a and_o variable_a our_o adversary_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v in_o expound_v the_o distinction_n of_o god_n antecedent_n and_o consequent_a will_n and_o that_o it_o be_v true_a i_o say_v this_o antecedent_n will_n be_v not_o simple_o proper_o and_o formal_o the_o will_n of_o god_n which_o be_v so_o the_o place_n of_o saint_n paul_n can_v be_v expound_v by_o that_o distinction_n my_o adversary_n therefore_o proceed_v by_o a_o example_n to_o show_v both_o what_o this_o antecedent_n will_v in_o his_o opinion_n be_v and_o how_o thereby_o god_n may_v be_v true_o say_v to_o will_v all_o man_n to_o be_v save_v even_o by_o a_o formal_a and_o proper_a wil._n the_o sum_n be_v this_o that_o like_o as_o a_o king_n out_o of_o the_o graciousnesse_n and_o good_a disposition_n of_o his_o nature_n towards_o his_o subject_n desire_n to_o have_v they_o all_o and_o every_o one_o of_o they_o live_v happy_o and_o yet_o move_v with_o their_o offence_n against_o his_o law_n determine_v to_o put_v some_o of_o they_o to_o death_n â—_o so_o god_n of_o his_o natural_a goodness_n incline_v to_o the_o salvation_n of_o all_o much_o more_o than_o any_o king_n can_v desire_v the_o life_n of_o his_o subject_n notwithstanding_o he_o be_v determine_v to_o condemn_v some_o for_o the_o just_a desert_n of_o their_o sin_n in_o which_o case_n the_o king_n will_n to_o save_v the_o life_n of_o his_o subject_n be_v a_o true_a antecedent_n will_v and_o though_o it_o be_v not_o his_o final_a resolution_n yet_o be_v it_o formal_o and_o proper_o the_o king_n will_v and_o his_o determination_n notwithstanding_o to_o put_v such_o to_o death_n as_o break_v his_o law_n be_v his_o consequent_a will_n whereto_o he_o be_v not_o natural_o incline_v but_o occasion_v by_o the_o ill_a desert_n of_o his_o subject_n so_o be_v it_o in_o god_n who_o desire_n that_o all_o man_n shall_v be_v save_v arise_v from_o his_o own_o goodness_n be_v his_o primarie_n and_o antecedent_n will_v which_o be_v proper_o formal_o and_o in_o some_o sense_n simple_o his_o will_n but_o his_o purpose_n to_o condemn_v some_o arise_v from_o his_o justice_n against_o such_o as_o deserve_v it_o by_o their_o sin_n be_v his_o secondary_a and_o consequent_a will_n not_o proceed_v out_o of_o his_o own_o natural_a inclination_n but_o the_o ill_a desert_n of_o the_o wicked_a in_o which_o example_n he_o make_v the_o order_n of_o god_n predestination_n and_o willing_a man_n some_o to_o be_v save_v some_o to_o be_v condemn_v to_o be_v this_o that_o god_n in_o the_o first_o instant_n of_o his_o counsel_n propound_v equal_o to_o himself_o jacob_n and_o esau_n the_o elect_a and_o the_o reprobate_n and_o love_v the_o one_o no_o more_o than_o the_o other_o but_o have_v a_o equal_a will_v indifferent_o to_o save_v they_o both_o this_o be_v his_o antecedent_n will_n in_o the_o second_o instant_n he_o will_v and_o purpose_n to_o save_v he_o of_o the_o two_o that_o shall_v in_o his_o life_n time_n well_o deserve_v it_o and_o to_o damn_v he_o of_o the_o two_o that_o shall_v sin_n this_o be_v his_o consequent_a will_n in_o neither_o of_o these_o two_o instance_n do_v he_o yet_o make_v any_o discretion_n between_o jacob_n and_o esau_n by_o either_o elect_v the_o one_o or_o refuse_v the_o other_o but_o only_o have_v a_o intention_n and_o formal_a will_n to_o save_v he_o that_o shall_v deserve_v it_o in_o the_o three_o instant_n he_o decree_v and_o will_n to_o give_v they_o both_o though_o not_o equal_a yet_o sufficient_a mean_n of_o salvation_n and_o help_n of_o grace_n whereby_o esau_n may_v as_o well_o come_v to_o salvation_n as_o jacob_n and_o this_o not_o only_o in_o adam_n but_o also_o in_o themselves_o consider_v in_o the_o state_n of_o sin_n in_o the_o four_o instant_n he_o decree_v to_o leave_v they_o both_o to_o the_o liberty_n and_o free_a choice_n of_o their_o own_o will_n to_o use_v these_o mean_n of_o salvation_n or_o not_o to_o use_v they_o jacob_n as_o well_o as_o esau_n the_o elect_a as_o well_o as_o the_o reprobate_n in_o the_o five_o instant_n he_o foresee_v jacob_n will_v use_v the_o mean_n and_o live_v and_o die_v well_o but_o esau_n will_v not_o hereupon_o in_o the_o last_o instant_n by_o his_o consequent_a will_n arise_v from_o the_o foresight_n of_o their_o good_a and_o ill_a desert_n in_o his_o eternal_a counsel_n he_o pronounce_v the_o decree_n of_o election_n to_o jacob_n and_o of_o reprobation_n to_o esau_n this_o as_o near_o as_o i_o can_v understand_v be_v and_o must_v consequent_o be_v the_o content_n of_o his_o example_n which_o he_o also_o set_v down_o more_o full_o inde_fw-la full_o pag._n 163._o &_o inde_fw-la in_o the_o sixth_o section_n against_o caluin_n and_o i_o presume_v i_o have_v true_o express_v his_o mind_n because_o i_o find_v 77._o find_v enchirid._n pag_n 77._o his_o becanus_n who_o he_o follow_v and_o 6._o and_o hack._n disp_n de_fw-mi praed_fw-we n._n 119_o lesle_n de_fw-mi
apparent_a i_o yield_v not_o his_o conclusion_n in_o the_o whole_a sense_n but_o only_o in_o a_o part_n for_o view_v my_o word_n the_o ministry_n of_o the_o church_n be_v the_o ordinary_a mean_n whereby_o we_o may_v learn_v the_o faith_n of_o christ_n and_o no_o man_n can_v of_o himself_o attain_v to_o the_o knowledge_n thereof_o but_o as_o the_o church_n teach_v he_o except_o it_o be_v in_o some_o extraordinary_a case_n how_o will_v my_o jesuite_n conclude_v from_o hence_o that_o therefore_o i_o yield_v his_o conclusion_n as_o it_o be_v understand_v the_o second_o way_n which_o way_n i_o have_v show_v immediate_o before_o both_o his_o church_n and_o himself_o understand_v it_o do_v he_o that_o say_v the_o king_n justice_n be_v tâ—â—_n ordinary_a mean_n whereby_o to_o learn_v the_o matter_n of_o civil_a obedience_n and_o that_o no_o subject_n can_v ordinary_o attain_v to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o law_n unless_o some_o body_n publish_v it_o yield_v therefore_o that_o the_o law_n alone_o be_v not_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o say_a obedience_n and_o subjection_n prescribe_v the_o measure_n and_o quality_n thereof_o but_o the_o justice_n also_o and_o such_o as_o acquaint_v we_o with_o the_o law_n be_v part_n of_o the_o rule_n yea_o the_o great_a and_o more_o certain_a part_n no_o man_n will_v say_v so_o when_o all_o man_n see_v the_o magistrate_n to_o be_v but_o the_o executioner_n and_o minister_v of_o the_o law_n to_o teach_v publish_v and_o execute_v that_o which_o be_v in_o the_o law_n itself_o and_o the_o book_n of_o the_o law_n to_o contain_v the_o whole_a and_o entire_a object_n of_o obedience_n that_o no_o subject_n be_v bind_v to_o any_o obedience_n or_o to_o the_o do_v of_o any_o thing_n whatsoever_o the_o magistrate_n may_v happen_v to_o impose_v upon_o he_o but_o that_o only_a which_o be_v contain_v in_o the_o law_n either_o express_o or_o thence_o to_o be_v gather_v by_o true_a consequence_n and_o so_o my_o jesuit_n vaunt_v of_o our_o yield_a and_o impertinent_a discourse_n relish_v but_o of_o the_o soldier_n that_o create_v he_o and_o his_o vaunt_a order_n though_o his_o put_v we_o over_o to_o his_o other_o catholic_a author_n be_v scarce_o soldierlike_a but_o taste_v more_o of_o the_o cripple_n he_o use_v this_o often_o and_o i_o confess_v it_o be_v a_o good_a short_a cut_v homeward_n if_o a_o man_n be_v empty_a but_o it_o sink_v he_o that_o use_v it_o into_o the_o low_a bottom_n of_o contempt_n to_o give_v the_o onset_n with_o conclusion_n and_o principle_n and_o then_o to_o maintain_v they_o with_o boast_v and_o ignorance_n if_o we_o be_v not_o well_o acquaint_v with_o this_o transparent_a cowardliness_n in_o our_o busy_a adversary_n it_o will_v leaven_n the_o most_o settle_a patience_n that_o be_v among_o us._n chap._n xxviii_o touch_v our_o english_a translation_n of_o the_o bible_n their_o sincerity_n and_o infalliblenesse_n 2._o how_o the_o unlearned_a know_v they_o to_o be_v sincere_a the_o new_a translation_n late_o 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of_o the_o scripture_n prove_v not_o their_o obscurity_n 3._o tradition_n debar_v a_o council_n be_v above_o the_o pope_n 4._o 5._o the_o scripture_n of_o itself_o easy_a to_o all_o that_o use_v it_o as_o they_o shall_v 6._o 7._o the_o certain_a sense_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o the_o assurance_n thereof_o be_v not_o by_o tradition_n 183._o pag._n 183._o a._n d._n §_o 2._o that_o scripture_n alone_o be_v obscure_a concern_v the_o second_o reason_n about_o the_o obscurity_n of_o scripture_n it_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v that_o i_o do_v not_o speak_v of_o the_o obscurity_n of_o scripture_n as_o though_o i_o mean_v that_o it_o can_v not_o by_o any_o mean_n be_v understand_v 74._o wotton_n pag._n 74._o as_o m._n wotton_n seem_v willing_a to_o mis-understand_v i_o neither_o do_v i_o charge_v the_o scripture_n itself_o with_o any_o fault_n or_o imperfection_n when_o i_o say_v it_o be_v obscure_a but_o do_v acknowledge_v rather_o that_o it_o be_v the_o perfection_n of_o scripture_n 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