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B02879 The result of a dialogue concerning the middle-state of souls. Wherein is asserted, the ancient doctrine of their relief, obtainable by prayers, alms, &c. before the day of judgment. / By F.D. professor of divinity. Franciscus a Sancta Clara, 1598-1680. 1660 (1660) Wing D355A; ESTC R175909 24,202 157

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that_o all_o those_o that_o go_v to_o purgatory_n must_v be_v necessary_o detain_v there_o without_o any_o relief_n till_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n which_o sure_o be_v impossible_a if_o there_o have_v be_v any_o fluctuation_n in_o it_o or_o if_o they_o have_v be_v of_o that_o opinion_n as_o some_o gentle_o persuade_v we_o that_o some_o thing_n have_v be_v deliver_v to_o posterity_n in_o the_o church_n which_o can_v never_o obtain_v more_o authority_n than_o opinion_n i_o have_v make_v evident_a in_o my_o system_fw-la even_o in_o grave_a subject_n of_o which_o number_n this_o be_v not_o but_o how_o to_o distinguish_v such_o from_o doctrine_n of_o a_o high_a nature_n in_o case_n holy_a church_n do_v not_o convey_v clear_o their_o qualification_n with_o they_o as_o in_o some_o case_n evident_o it_o do_v and_o in_o other_o it_o do_v not_o as_o there_o i_o give_v instance_n then_o the_o only_a way_n be_v to_o return_v to_o general_a counsel_n that_o they_o according_a to_o their_o 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it_o a_o present_a reward_n for_o which_o it_o shall_v be_v embrace_v but_o our_o expectation_n be_v infinite_o high_o by_o our_o believe_v and_o hope_v for_o resurrection_n and_o therefore_o it_o always_o produce_v proportionate_a effect_n in_o god_n holy_a martyr_n and_o saint_n especial_o in_o those_o first_o time_n as_o the_o course_n of_o god_n providence_n require_v and_o therefore_o there_o be_v a_o necessity_n effectual_o to_o settle_v this_o radical_a doctrine_n as_o also_o of_o the_o last_o judgement_n to_o inculcate_v a_o just_a fear_n as_o s._n paul_n do_v this_o other_o of_o relief_n of_o soul_n in_o and_o out_o of_o purgatory_n be_v of_o far_o less_o concernment_n as_o to_o the_o generality_n of_o mankind_n and_o be_v as_o it_o be_v a_o particular_a of_o it_o or_o subalternate_a to_o it_o need_v not_o so_o strong_a &_o frequent_a inculcation_n though_o holy_a church_n do_v not_o take_v it_o up_o upon_o vulgar_a and_o light_a hear-sayes_a but_o with_o and_o by_o the_o 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well_o as_o latin_n you_o know_v that_o according_a to_o mr._n rushworth_n and_o mr._n white_a who_o authority_n can_v be_v deny_v by_o you_o the_o public_a practice_n or_o oral_a conveyance_n demonstrate_v universal_a tradition_n and_o consequent_o christian_a truth_n therefore_o when_o i_o look_v upon_o the_o anxious_a solicitude_n with_o which_o now_o and_o in_o all_o former_a age_n good_a christian_n greek_n and_o latin_n have_v prosecute_v their_o friend_n decease_v with_o their_o prayer_n alms-deed_n which_o all_o christian_a monument_n declare_v methinks_v it_o be_v strange_a now_o at_o length_n to_o have_v all_o resolve_v into_o a_o cold_a oblation_n or_o prayer_n for_o doomsday_n wherein_o their_o particular_a ally_n be_v no_o more_o concern_v than_o all_o other_o &_o so_o all_o the_o pious_a endeavour_n of_o friend_n be_v of_o no_o effect_n as_o relate_v to_o what_o they_o intend_v in_o order_n to_o particular_a person_n but_o may_v as_o well_o be_v contract_v into_o a_o 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their_o body_n he_o frequent_o speak_v condistinctive_o of_o the_o soul_n as_o separate_v from_o the_o body_n or_o as_o it_o be_v when_o the_o body_n be_v dead_a and_o he_o say_v that_o then_o it_o receive_v succour_v which_o as_o he_o show_v and_o i_o have_v say_v be_v the_o practice_n of_o all_o church_n in_o their_o public_a liturgy_n i_o do_v not_o esteem_v it_o constancy_n but_o obstinacy_n to_o intort_v antiquity_n to_o our_o sense_n against_o their_o own_o chap._n iu._n the_o sense_n of_o greek_a and_o latin_a liturgy_n and_o father_n among_o the_o greek_n i_o observe_v in_o their_o liturgy_n that_o sometime_o they_o pray_v with_o tertullian_n de_fw-fr monogamia_fw-la that_o the_o dead_a may_v have_v refrigerium_fw-la that_o be_v some_o ease_n as_o s._n greg._n nazian_n his_o liturgy_n p._n 34_o in_o the_o rubric_n other_o time_n they_o pray_v that_o they_o may_v be_v put_v into_o a_o place_n of_o light_a sommess_n where_o sorrow_n be_v banish_v and_o groan_a etc._n etc._n as_o 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