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A50644 A letter to Dr. E.S. concerning his late letter to Mr. G. and the account he gives in it of a conference between Mr. G. and himself from one who was present at the conference. Meredith, Edward, 1648-1689? 1687 (1687) Wing M1782; ESTC R15938 20,616 40

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You reply'd That it should not be written unless it were by Consent And you did not consent because Mr. T declar'd now more loudly than before that he was fully satisfi'd and desir'd to propose a new Question to Mr. G Thus Mr. G was forc'd to break off and thus ended that Point which was design'd for the whole Subject of the Conference but whether with much Glory to you or much Shame to Mr. G I leave the most partial of my Readers to judge Certainly when you had given leave for Mr. G s Fifth Question you ought to have permitted his Sixth since it tended only to obtain that Answer which you could not but perceive was aim'd at by his Fifth viz. What Churches you look'd on as Members of the Christian Church I have here laid before you the most material Passages and Circumstances of this First Disputation as sincerely I call God to Witness as I have been able and as succinctly according to my Judgment as the Nature of the Thing would bear and could agree with that fulness in the Account which I promised at first I have indeed been somewhat the more Particular in it in regard that you say little or nothing thereof whereas one would have expected that whilst you pretend to give a True Account of this Conference you would not have pass'd by in silence so considerable a Part of it not to say in a manner the Whole I am sure that if you have any reason to complain that Mr. G s Copies were imperfect he hath much more to say that your True Account is so For if in his Paper there be a Twig missing in one of the Branches the very Trunk or Body of the Tree is wanting in your Account So easie it is to imagine Faults in others and so hard to see them in our selves And so true that the Mote is more discernible to us in our Brothers Eye than the BEAM in our own Having finish'd what I had to say concerning this First and Chief Controversie I shall use the same Sincerity in giving you both Copies of the Second in which as it happen'd when the Spirits of the Disputants grew warmer so especially towards the Conclusion as I have said above the Noise and Wrangling might hinder the Writers from being so exact However even here the Difference is so inconsiderable that an ordinary Charity would rather lay the blame of it on a casual Error than any wilful Mistake Mr. G s Copy Dr. St 's Copy 1. Qu. HOw do you prove the Church of Rome to be Infallible 1 Qu. HOw do you prove the Church of Rome to be Infallible 1. Ans By the Church of Rome I mean all the Churches in Communion with Rome and this Church I hold to be Infallible by following the Vniversal Testimony of all Traditionary Christians that is to say by holding the same Doctrin to Day that was delivered Yesterday in Faith and so up to the Time of our Blessed Saviour For if they follow this Rule they can never Err in Faith and therefore are Infallible 1 Answ By the Church of Rome I mean all the Churches in Communion with Rome and this Church I hold to be Infallible by following the Universal Testimony of all Traditionary Christians that is to say by holding the same Doctrin to day that was delivered yesterday in Faith and so up to the time of our blessed Saviour for if they follow this Rule they can never err in Faith and therefore are Infallible 2. Qu. How do's it appear that the Church of Rome is Infallible in Tradition 2 Qu. How do's it appear that the Church of Rome is Infallible in the sense and meaning of Tradition and is this Tradition a Rule of Faith distinct from Scripture or no 2. Ans All Traditionary Christians that is all Bishops all Priests all Fathers and all People following this Rule and receiving Faith because it was received the Day before could not Innovate in Faith unless they could all either forget what they received the day before or out of Malice change it therefore because no cause can be assigned for such an effect they cannot Innovate If there can Assign it 2 Answ All Traditionary Christians that is all Bishops all Priests all Fathers and all People following this Rule and receiving Faith because it was received the day before could not innovate in Faith unless they could all either forget what they received the day before or out of Malice change it therefore because no cause can be assigned for such an effect they cannot innovate If they can Assign it 3 Qu. Whether the Greek Church did follow from Father to Son the Tradition in matters of Faith or no 3 Qu. Did not the Greek Church follow Tradition from Father to Son and yet err in matters of Faith so that a Church pretending to follow Tradition may err in matters of Faith 3 Answ Till they left that Rule and took up another and so fell into Error as the Calvinists did 3 Answ The Greek Church followed Tradition till the Arians left that Rule and took up a new one that is Scripture privately interpreted   Dr. St I speak not of the Arians but of the present Greek Church The chief defect which you here seem to complain of in Mr. G s Paper is in the Third Question viz. That it being set down Whether the Greek Church did follow Tradition from Father to Son or no The inference which you drew from it is left out Now it is so palpably evident to any one who reads the preceding Questions and Answers for what reason you asked that Question and consequently What inference you drew from it that it cannot be imagined Mr. G's Amanuensis should have any design in leaving out those words unless it were to spare unnecessary pains it being manifest that you produced the example of the Greek Church to disprove what had been said before touching the Infallibility of Tradition So that in my Opinion this ought not to have been the occasion of any misunderstanding between you But whereas you say that Mr. G grants you in his Answer that the Greek Church followed Tradition If you mean that they followed it even when they fell into error I find no such thing in his Answer neither according to his Copy nor yours But if you mean That the Greek Church followed Tradition till they erred This is no plainer in your Copy than it is in his To your Instance of the Greek Church I remember Mr. G answered That they adhered to Tradition till the time of the Arians but whether or no he dictated his Answer in those terms when it came to be written down I have forgotten Neither do I remember that your last saying viz. I mean not the Arians c. which is left out in Mr. G's Copy was written down I believe that neither Mr. T nor the Gentleman who wrote for Mr. G had it in their Copies Neither do I think that