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A16174	A reproofe of M. Doct. Abbots defence, of the Catholike deformed by M. W. Perkins Wherein his sundry abuses of Gods sacred word, and most manifold mangling, misaplying, and falsifying, the auncient Fathers sentences,be so plainely discouered, euen to the eye of euery indifferent reader, that whosoeuer hath any due care of his owne saluation, can neuer hereafter giue him more credit, in matter of faith and religion. The first part. Made by W.P.B. and Doct. in diuinty.	Bishop, William, 1554?-1624.	1608 (1608)	STC 3098; ESTC S114055	254,241	290

censured a base and beggarly vassal for shewing my selfe sorrowful for my Princes misfortune what stile deserues he for such outragious reproches bealched forth against the highest Bishop of Christes Church Now whereas M. Abbot boldly auerreth That thereby his Majesty hath learned to cast off the yoke of bondage by which other Princes are enthralled to a beast sauing his reuerence I answere that other Kinges nourished in countries accounted as ciuil to say the least as Scotland vvil not change that their bondage vvith his Majesties supposed liberty and freedome because they hold it farre better to enjoy the direction and assistance of the Bishop of Rome for the vniforme and peacible gouernement of their Clergy according vnto the ancient Canons of the Church then either to take it into their owne handes or to cōmit it to the discretion of Consistory Ministers or to any other sort of late deuised Ecclesiastical plat-formes Godly wise and vnderstanding Kings vvil no doubt consider that some who perswade them to cast off such yokes are very false Parasites no sound and true harted subjects because it is said of Kinges out of il counsel in the second Psalme Let vs breake their bandes and let vs cast from vs their yoke vvhereas contrariwise in the same place the spirit of God speakes thus to Princes Apprehendite disciplinam Receiue discipline that is obserue al good orders and take correction least that our Lord waxe angry with you and then you perish from the right way And if they themselues should so much forget their duty to God and respect to his holy Church as to seeke the vtter ruine and subuersion of it yet very reason teacheth them that it is farre more safe orderly and expedient that there should be one only supreme Pastour assisted with the graue counsel of some of the wiser sort of euery Christian country as the Popes holinesse is with the counsel of his most graue wise and learned Cardinals to controule and correct them then to be left to the mercy of the Ministers of euery country and to the tumultuous reformation of the rash and giddy multitude who by the cōmon consent of the best learned Protestants must take their Prince in hand and belabour him if he goe about to oppresse the Gospel as hath beene before proued To proceede is it not a rare pranke of a parasite to auouch that an ancient student in diuinity must needes stand dumbe like an Asse before his Majesty and not be able to answere him one word in his owne profession but the Church the Church the Fathers the Fathers I vvish hartily that his excellent Majesty would match me with no meaner a man then Doctor Abbot he that professeth himselfe able to stoppe al mens mouthes to alleage not only the Church and the Fathers but the Scripture the Scripture and by his Highnesse authentike judgement approue him to haue the better cause that can pertinently cite most plaine texts of Scripture for their religion I make no doubt but the Protestant part notwithstāding their common craking of the vvord of God should goe to the ground Marry vvhen vve auouch holy Scripture for vs in as expresse tearmes as can be deuised they wil not yeeld but deuise most extrauagant glosses to fly from the euident testimony of Gods most holy word whereupon we are compelled to make recourse vnto the definition of the Church of God Iob. 16. v. 13. Which is guided by the spirit of God vnto al truth and vnto the learned commentaries of the most ancient holy and juditious Fathers vvho vvere for their times appointed by the holy Ghost to rule and instruct the same his Church that seing how they vnderstood the holy Scriptures vve may by their euen and vnpartial line and square direct our judgement in the true sence of holy Scripture vvhich is the principal cause why we rely so much vpon the Church and Fathers and for vvhich he so scornefully vpbraideth vs vvith the Church the Church the Fathers the Fathers And here to returne one of M. Abbots sharpe wordes vpon himselfe vvhat a dissembling hipocrite was he to say that when al was done we could not make any thing good by either Church or Fathers Sect. 9. 10. when as he himself doth plainly confesse that S. Augustine S. Hierome Epiphanius and diuers other Fathers be flat for vs and is driuen roundly to deny their authority and to preferre the opinions of condemned Heretikes Iouinian Vigilantius and Aërius before these most renowmed Doctors and Pastors As grosse and palpable an vntruth is that vvhich followeth That the Catholikes be not heauily persecuted by the state whereas al their goodes and chattels be vvholy confiscate and two partes of their landes their bodies at pleasure subject to prison there to lie without baile or mainprise their persons daily in danger of death for receiuing or any vvay maintaining their Pastours to omit al other their oppressions which be almost innumerable but belike because al Catholikes be not by most cruel death suddainly made away this Minister of bloud accounteth their persecution light and easie And vvhereas he so enlargeth the short and smal persecution of their bretheren I doe offer to joine with him in this issue that more Catholike Priests Religious men and others haue beene tormented murthered and most despitefully slaine by men of their religion within the compasse of two Realmes France and England during the only time of Queene Elizabeth her raigne then were of Protestants and men of al other Sects for a thousand yeares before in those countries yea take to them also al Spaine and Italy The Donatists and al other sectaries doe suffer persecution as S. Augustine truly saith for their obstinate folly vvhat of that ergo whosoeuer suffereth persecution for his religion is a foole what a foolish reason in this then were the Apostles and al the best Christians fooles But M. Abbot saith We be children and can yeeld no reason for that we suffer but what ignorance affordeth vs to wit we must cleaue to the Church and follow our fore-fathers Surely that were a foule fault that we as children should obey our Mother the holy Church and follow the faith and religion of our fore-fathers But first it is most palpably false that we can yeeld no other reason for our religion as our bookes euidently doe conuince Then if we had no other reason but that one it alone were sufficient for it is an article of our Creede to beleeue the Church and S. Paul assureth vs 1. Tim. 3. vers 15. That the Church is the pillar and ground of truth vvhereupon this is receiued as a principle of faith among the ancient Fathers allowed euen by Protestants themselues That he that hath not the Church to his Mother shal neuer haue God to his Father he therefore that cleaueth fast vnto the firme pillar of the Church and followeth her precepts as of a most faithful Mother can neuer goe astray

stifly maintaine the very same errour Iconoclastae that is such men as denied the Images of our Sauiour and his Saints to be set vp in Churches yea that brake them downe and cast them out thence vvere by 600. Bishops assembled out of al partes of Christendome in * Nicenum Concil 2. a general Councel adjudged Heretikes vvhat be then our Protestants If I would descend lower I should light vpon Berengarius the great Grandsier of those that deny the sacred body of our Sauiour to be really and substantially in the blessed Sacrament of the Altar but because he liued not much aboue 500. yeares agoe I doe here stay and demand vvhat proper points of doctrine can be left vnto the poore Protestants if al these articles condemned in the forenamed Heretikes were taken away from them Remoue from them the errours of the Antidicomarianitans Iconoclasts and Vigilantius and you shal bereaue them of their inuectiues against praying to Saints and honouring them their Relikes and Images Loose them from the chaines of that vile Arrian Aërius and they vvil ceasse to raile against offering of Sacrifice and praying for the faithful soules departed If they would shake handes and depart from the Nouatians they vvould immediately giue ouer to speake against confession of our sinnes to Priests If they could be cleansed from the muddy dregs of Iouinians loose and lewd opinion then vvould they blush to pleade so earnestly for the marriage of Priests and other religious persons And be ashamed to affirme it to be as acceptable to God to feede our rotten carcases as to fast and to solace them with the company of a yoke-fellow as to liue continently Their new doctrine about original sinne free-wil and the merit of good workes should fal to the ground If they vvould once giue ouer to participate therein with the Originists Manichees Eunomians and Simon Magus Vnty them from the yoke of Donatists and they vvil follow no longer a scattered vncertaine and inuisible congregation but shal happily returne vnto the vnity of that Catholike Church vvhich hath alwaies beene visible and hath spred her branches al the vvorld ouer Finally strippe them off that paradox and absurd position borrowed from the Arrians Donatists Pelagians and many other Heretikes That forsooth the temporal Prince and lay Magistrate is supreme judge in Ecclesiastical causes and you vtterly vndoe them spoiling them of the only assured proppe and pillar of al their religion Now the case thus standing that most of the articles of the Protestant faith be such old reproued errours if too too many be found so destitute of al grace that they wil neuerthelesse wilfully cōtinue stil in them and most obstinately defend them til death though it cost them hel fire for their paines yet my trust in Gods infinite bounty and goodnesse is that many considerate and religiously disposed people being more careful to please God then men and more vvilling to looke vnto the saluation of their soules then the preseruation of their goods wil now at length vpon this faire warning preferre light before darknesse and approued verity before condemned heresie They cannot but remember that vvhich is euery Sonday read in their owne seruice out of Athanasius Creede Vnlesse they hold the Catholike faith entire and whole without violation of any one article off it they shal without doubt perish euerlastingly Of the same judgement was that very juditious Doctor and most vigilant Pastor of Christes flocke S. Augustine who hauing numbred vp many of the same and such like heresies doth conclude thus Whosoeuer holdeth any one of these he shal be no Catholike Christian. Ad Quodvultdeum In fine Woe then be vnto al Protestant Christians who beleeue not one or two of them and the like but more then twenty of them togither the whole frame of their new Gospel being principally reared and grounded vpon nothing else as hath beene euen now verified I hope then that many of my most deare Country-men wil by the forcible working of Gods grace giue eare vnto the holsome counsaile of that most reuerend holy and prudent Father S. Ambrose Ambros lib. de Fide ca. 1. vvho forewarneth al Christians To stand vpon their guarde most watchfully and in no case to suffer such pestiferous and venimous errours to be powred into their soules or sences one droppe whereof saith he wil infect and poyson the pure and single Tradition of our Lord and his holy Apostles That which followeth in the first part of M. Abbots booke because it is nothing else but as it were a flourish and light bickering against some such points of doctrine as are afterward in their due places seuerally and more largely discussed I wil remit vnto their proper Questions there orderly to be handled vvith the rest of the same kinde I wil here before I end this part touch two extraordinary matters which cannot without great digression be taken into other Questions The one is my mistaking of Proclus an Heretike for Methodius a most Catholike Bishop as M. Abbot affirmeth the other of my discouery of a great secret of the Papists conspiracy against his Majesty These be my wordes of Proclus WILLIAM BISHOP ONE Proclus an enormious Originist taught that sinne was not taken away in baptisme but only couered as it is recorded by Epiphanius Haeres 64. M. Perkins affirmeth in like manner that it remaineth stil in the regenerate though it be not imputed vnto them ROBERT ABBOT Page 49. HERE M. Bishop vnwares hath sheathed a sword in his owne side citing vnder the name of Proclus the Heretike the vvordes of Methodius a Catholike Bishop against the heresie of Proclus He saw in Epiphanius Sequuntur verba Procli Here follow the wordes of Proclus and his lips hanging in his light he could not see but that al the discourse following was the wordes of Proclus vvhereas the wordes of Proclus are but a few lines in the beginning and then followeth by Methodius a large confutation thereof Now M. Bishop acknowledgeth that this authour did teach the same that M. Perkins doth it followeth therefore by his owne acknowledgment that our doctrine is approued by Methodius Bishop of Tyrus and also by Epiphanius WILLIAM BISHOP I Cannot wel perceiue how M. Abbots ignorance may serue him for a sorry excuse of this foule ouersight else I would rather impute it thereunto then charge him as I otherwise must needes doe with very shamelesse audacity I know that he would not be esteemed ignorant and he seemes to haue read both Proclus and Methodius vvordes but he jumbleth them togither as though they were owne text though they stand in seueral diuisions with Epiphanius and some of them foure or fiue great leaues from the other And yet me thinkes he should not be so simple and shallow witted as to haue read them both ouer and not to discerne vvhere Proclus speech endeth for Epiphanius doth most distinctly point out the beginning and the end of Proclus