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A01008 A plea for the reall-presence Wherein the preface of Syr Humfrey Linde, concerning the booke of Bertram, is examined and censured. Written by I.O. vnto a gentleman his friend. Floyd, John, 1572-1649.; Lynde, Humphrey, Sir. 1624 (1624) STC 11113; ESTC S115112 24,472 65

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