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A88098 An after-reckoning with Mr Saltmarsh: or, An appeal to the impartiall and consciencious reader, and lover of truth and sincerity, against his last paper, called An end of one controversy, or an answer or letter to M. Leys large last book. Written by L.M. a student in divinity. Ley, John, 1583-1662. 1646 (1646) Wing L1870; Thomason E339_20; ESTC R200863 51,392 74

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decretum_fw-la super_fw-la union_n jacobinorum_fw-la &_o armeniorum_fw-la franc._n long._n sum._n council_n p._n 888._o col_fw-fr 1._o greek_n baptise_v in_o the_o three_o person_n let_v this_o servant_n of_o christ_n be_v baptize_v or_o baptize_v by_o my_o hand_n in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o father_n son_n and_o holy_a gholst_n be_v acknowledge_v to_o have_v a_o true_a baptism_n second_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a to_o say_v baptise_v for_o a_o man_n may_v perform_v true_a and_o sufficient_a baptism_n by_o the_o word_n wash_v or_o sprinkle_v as_o well_o as_o by_o the_o word_n baptize_v three_o it_o make_v no_o great_a difference_n to_o say_v in_o the_o name_n or_o into_o the_o name_n for_o as_o in_o the_o name_n may_v note_v the_o authority_n of_o baptism_n and_o the_o holy_a influence_n of_o the_o author_n go_v along_o with_o it_o so_o to_o be_v baptize_v into_o christ_n rom._n 6.1_o or_o into_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n may_v note_v the_o effect_n and_o benefit_n of_o baptism_n incorporate_n the_o baptize_v into_o the_o mystical_a body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n and_o though_o we_o read_v the_o word_n matth._n 28.19_o in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o father_n the_o greek_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d may_v more_o exact_o in_o the_o grammatical_a sense_n of_o the_o word_n be_v render_v into_o the_o name_n and_o the_o like_a we_o may_v resolve_v of_o the_o same_o phrase_n 1_o cor._n 1.13_o but_o to_o be_v baptise_a in_o the_o name_n be_v proper_o the_o true_a english_a of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d act._n 2.38_o and_o of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d act._n 10.48_o but_o 1._o but_o in_o nomine_fw-la utique_fw-la art_n none_o in_o nominibus_fw-la ut_fw-la unitas_fw-la essen_v tiae_fw-la ostendatur_fw-la per_fw-la tria_fw-la verò_fw-la que_fw-la supposuit_fw-la tres_fw-la esse_fw-la personas_fw-la declaravit_fw-la ambros_n de_fw-fr si_fw-fr de_fw-fr ad_fw-la gratian_n cap._n 1._o ambrose_n observe_v in_o the_o name_n in_o the_o singular_a number_n as_o import_v the_o unity_n of_o substance_n in_o the_o trinity_n of_o person_n of_o the_o godhead_n second_o but_o for_o the_o express_a mention_n of_o all_o the_o person_n of_o the_o trinity_n it_o be_v hold_v by_o many_o to_o be_v 3._o be_v aquin._n in_o 3._o part_n q._n 66._o art_n 5._o ad_fw-la 7._o &_o in_o 4_o scent_n do_v 3._o art_n 2._o questi_fw-la uncula_fw-la 2._o ad●_n ●_z bonarent_a art_n q._n 3._o scotus_n quest_n 2._o art_n 3_o num_fw-la 16._o paludanus_n q._n 1._o art_n 3._o necessary_a both_o 2._o both_o suarez_n in_o 3._o part_n thom._n tom._n 3._o qui_fw-la est_fw-la primus_fw-la de_fw-fr sacramentis_fw-la disp_n 21._o q._n 66._o sect._n 4_o p._n 220_o col_fw-fr 2._o because_o of_o the_o word_n of_o christ_n matth._n 28.19_o the_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o scandal_n which_o will_v be_v occasion_v if_o any_o of_o they_o shall_v