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A67846 Three contending brethren, Mr. Williams, Mr. Lob, Mr. Alsop, reconcil'd, and made friends by an occasional conference with three notorious hereticks, Mr. Humphreys, Mr. Clark, Dr. Crisp. By Calvin Anti-Crispian. Trepidantium Malleus. 1698 (1698) Wing Y88B; ESTC R221091 18,673 24

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coming to Christ no Sin not Vnbelief Some say Men must receive Christ by a hand of Faith but I say They may receive Christ without a hand passively I disown the word Hand or Instrument in Justification There is a passive receiving of Christ against a man's will as we pour Physick down the Throat of a Patient p. 98. I said also p. 102 When Christ is said to bind up the broken in Spirit it is of those that are undone not of those that are sensible of being so as a man may be broken in his Estate or Credit tho' not sensible of it Mr. A. Was there ever such a sensless Perverter of Scripture I doubt thy Head was early broken if thy Heart was never so Is this to be broken or wounded in Spirit p. 106. Dr. C. Of general tenders read much In 127 I there make sport with mens Complaints I say O what a noise is here I must have a broken Heart mortification c. And p. 114 I bewail it that the Servants of God should lose the Name of Libertines And p. 170 I said God s●es no Sins in his own never punisheth for them and p. 198 God is not such a Changling and p. 202 If thou be a common Swearer or Blasphemer come if there be no alteration in thee come if thou be as sinful as thy skin can hold come 16 Ezek. I cite again and again and again c. v. 6 When cast in the open field when in thy blood I said to thee live This was a time of love I made a covenant with thee and thou becamest mine Mr. L. For that Scripture can you deny that the primary intention of it is to shew the state of the Jewish Nation Ver. 3 Thy Father was a Amorite thy Mother a Hittite Abraham and Sarah could not be such strictly but like as 1 Isa 10 Hear you Rulers of Sodom give ear ye People of Gomorrah Jerusalem was so call'd because like them in manners and life 13 Ver. of the 16. of Ezek. After they multiplied and God put Ornaments on them it is said they prosper'd into a Kingdom Read the 15 Verse he chargeth these with playing the Harlot committing Fornication 17. That they made Images with these Jewels not Graces sure 21 Thou hast made my Children pass through the fire 20. Thou remembredst not the days of thy youth when thou wast polluted in thy blood 29 Wo unto thee saith the Lord God they committed Fornication with the Egyptians and in the Land of Canaan 26 29 O Harlot hear the word of the Lord. Is there Sir any falling from Grace 60 61 Shews God would bring them again out of Babylon and humble them Yet all this is well accommodated by Divines spiritually but Parabola non sunt Argumentativa nisi ratione scopi is a common known Rule Dr. C. What say you to the 15th of John Mr. L. 15 John 4. If you abide in me the Branch abides in the Vine 5th 6th 7th Verses speak of Abiding not Vniting Dr. C. What say you to Isaiah I am found of them that sought me not Isaiah 65 1 are plain words are they not Mr. L. That makes nothing to your purpose I said Behold me behold me to a People not call'd by my Name they had no Helps to seek But I pray what specifick difference is there between the Eccho or Belief of a man who believes his Sins laid on Christ that proves vile still and his that doth not so What is the matter that in all your wordy Book you do not according to all men distinguish as becomes a Scholar or a Man Dr. C. You know the reason well enough without my telling would you have me like a young Conjurer to raise a Spirit I could not alay A Dr. in Oxford once distinguish'd in the Hall Aliquo modo est aliquo modo non I do like a Moderator I knew in that University who when the Question was An Omne Ens potefl apprehendi carried in the affirmative one brought a shrewd Argument against it he answer'd Nos disputamus non de iis Entibus quae non possunt apprehendi sed quae possunt apprehendi I often expound 11 Heb. 1 Faith is the evidence of things not seen that is that they were pardon'd and justified before they believed in the heighth of all their wickedness Alas they were nothing that expounded on this Text till I gave the true sense I gave the World the first light of those words see whether you can find Mr. Pool that great man to think of it I have also said in about fourteen or fifteen Sermons on this Text On him hath God laid the Iniquity of us all p. 160 177 170 It was the Iniquity it self laid on Christ so that it cannot be found in the Conscience of the elect to sting there they are not our Sins but Christ's actually so I over and over observe it is not God doth lay or will lay but hath laid in the Preterperfect Tense and therefore God laid them on him from Eternity Mr. L. You might as well say Christ was actually crucified from Eternity it is said in the same Chapter He was a man of sorrows not is or shall be He was lead as a Lamb before the Shearers not is or shall be He was numbred amoug Transgressors not is or shall be Dr. C. I tell them p. 18 They should not make God so childish as some do p. 195 I said If God were not separated from Christ Christ told an untruth when he said my God my God why hast thou forsaken me No Sin can be charged on that man to whom the Lord gives a heart to belieue his Iniquities are laid on Christ P. 196 That it is a lying Spirit that says Sin can waste the Conscience of a Believer I tell them That by their Graces and Prayers they throw Dirt in the Face of God and spit Poyson there even the best Saints and the Wise man saith They are an Abomination to the Lord. Mr. A. You are a Child and worse with Reverence be it spoken Solomon says thus of the Prayers of the wicked but of the righteous that they are his delight Dr. C. I carefully distinguish once p. 358 our Sins were laid on Christ by way of Obligation from Eternity 2. By way of Execution 3. By way of Application I told them Christ stood as very a Sinner in Gods Eye as a Reprobate That our Sins were laid on Christ's Back is my common Phrase That his Back was large enough and broad enough to bear all our Transgressions God wore out the Rod of Vengeance even to the very stumps on Christ The washing 16 Ezek. 9 was the washing of Justification not Sanctification Sin stares men in the Face and spits Fire in them before they come to Christ P. 517 p. 543 We must not think God so humoursome and so peevish We tell God That he lyes to his Face if we tell Believers that if
THREE Contending BRETHREN Mr. WILLIAMS Mr. LOB Mr. ALSOP Reconcil'd and made Friends By an Occasional CONFERENCE WITH Three Notorious Hereticks Mr. HVMPHREYS Mr. CLARK Dr. CRISP And Abram said unto Lot let there be no strife I pray thee between me and thee for we are Brethren Gen. 13.8 A Man that is a Heretick after the first and second Admonition reject 3 Tit. 10. Quin laniant mundum tanta est discordia fratrum By Calvin Anti-Crispian London Printed for J. Harris at the Harrow in Little Britain 1698. BOOKS Publish'd by the Author and Sold by John Harris in Little Britain WIlliam Pen and the Quakers either Impostors or Apostates which they please proved from their avowed Principles and contrary Practises A Censure of George Fox's Journal and an Answer to B. C. and W. C. his Trepidantium Malleus intrepidanter Malleatus A Reprimand for the Author of a Libel entituled George Keith an Apostate Vindiciae Anti-Baxterianae or Animadversions on the Life of Mr. Baxter An Apology for Congregational Divines against the Charge of Crispianism countenancing of Tradesmens Preaching and Causeless Separation from the Publick Worship A DIALOGUE BETWEEN Mr. Williams Mr. Lob c. Mr. W. WELL met honest Mr. Lob. Mr. L. May I say honest Mr. Williams Mr. H. Yes you may and tell as notorious an Untruth as he Mr. A. Why so hot Sir for you ought rather to understand Mr. Williams figuratively than be so keen against them both let me refresh your memory If Durior impropriae est Catachresis abusio vocis Contra quam sentit solet Ironia jocari Insultans hosti illudit sarcasmus amare will not do I hope This will Antiphrasis voces tibi per contraria signat As Symphora for Adversity tho' it signifie Prosperity Auri Sacra fames holy Covetousness for wicked This is known to all Orators Youths as well as Men. You know Christ call'd Judas Friend had you been by Christ when he thus did what would you have said Mr. W. Brother Humphreys I assure you I spoke in the common literal sence of the word without a Trope for I think many Mistakes in Opinion and Rashness in Words and Weakness in Actions consistent with Honesty Mr. H. Do not call me Brother for I disown you as such you are a Brother of Mr. Alsop that old Calvinist he is become your Defender We now see what you are You are able to distinguish and distinguish and distinguish a Man out of his Senses no man since Mr. Baxter died is able to understand you as if not only materialiter and formaliter stricte and late and a thousand such distinctions might unty many a Knot but as if the old Archipodialiter and reflexive c. must come in for a share But as it hath been long and often observed of the Popes of Rome none were more cruel than the Clements none greater Cowards than the Leos none more mischievous than the Bonifaces none more vile than the Innocents so none less honest than you two call one another as you please It was an Innocent that interdicted this Kingdom in the Reign of King John and made Pandolphus the Monk poyson him when he laid his Crown and Scepter at his Holiness or if you please Innocency's feet Mr. L. I pray Mr. Humphreys how came you to have so hard an Opinion of Mr. Williams to question his Honesty tho' I never question'd your denial of mine for asserting the old Protestant Doctrine of Justification by an imputed Righteousness in it self not in the Effects only You know Mr. Williams is yours not ours Mr. H. How Mr. Lob this is a foul mistake for I averr he is not ours but yours he hath shaken Hands with Mr. Baxter and bad him Good-night This I have told the World in a Discourse of Justification and what I there say I stand to You and he are both one in Doctrin tho' not Phrases for he asserts Justification by imputed Righteousness not only in the Effects of it but in se Mark Sir in se in it self What material difference can then be between you two And to be plain I care not for your Protestant Doctrine for I speak roundly and censure the Doctrine as Protestant And I say with the Roman Catholicks Our Righteousness is the Righteousness per quod by which we are justified and the Righteousness of Christ is the Righteousness propter quod for which we are justified Mr. C. I say my Brother Humphreys is in the right and many a precious Letter between him and me will be shortly printed I in my Book of Justification flee directly in the Face of our first Reformers as erring Men for talking of Imputed Righteousness I tell all the world 〈◊〉 my Doctrine Arminianism Popery or Socinianism 〈◊〉 not I there say Justifying Faith Repentance Regeneration the New Birth Gospel obedience is all one these justifie us before God c. I have raised such a Dust about the word Justifie what it signifies almost every where in the Old and New Testament that never any Deist or Sceptick could have play'd the Game better not a Man that treated on this Argument did it before me I could tell you I could tell you Mr. Baxter meant the same thing tho' he then thought it not time a day to say it and therefore denied in his Five Disputations that the Charge of his Adversaries against his Aphorisms was true that according to his Doctrine Men were justified by their Repentance c. And I tell the World that which is true That my Book is one of the best Books that is on that Subject Mr. L. That is Baxterianism all over Like Master like Man But I pray Mr. Williams what say you to all this Mr. W. I am not to answer for every thing Mr. Baxter did tho' I believe he was mistaken in many things I pin not my Faith on his Sleeve he doubted Perseverance I do not he disown'd Presbytery I believe it to be of divine Right he asserts Non-resistance not I. For these two men I am sorry they assert downright Popery their Books are intolerable I have lately vindicated my Doctrine That man is justified by the Righteousness of Christ not in the Effects only but in se in it self against Mr. Humphreys I need not tell you Sir in what Book These men I doubt have given that wound to Mr. Baxter's Name and Reputation that will never be heal'd as deep a wound as did doth and will that Unhappy Book Vindio Anti-Baxt Mr. L. I even adjure you Mr. Humphreys and Mr. Clark tell us plainly Do you believe in your Conscience that Mr. Williams is no Baxterian but one with me in Doctrine tho' not in Phrases Mr. H. Mr. C. Believe Sir we more than believe it he that call'd him in two Books a Semi-Baxterian might honour him in this thing beyond his desert And seeing you adjure me were it not too high an Expression I could almost protest by the sacred Name of Richard