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it_o be_v a_o woman_n reason_n they_o use_v to_o say_v it_o be_v so_o because_o it_o be_v so_o and_o just_a so_o do_v he_o this_o be_v answer_n enough_o for_o such_o petty_a trifle_n and_o thus_o be_v we_o come_v to_o a_o end_n of_o all_o that_o which_o opponent_n b._n have_v to_o say_v against_o the_o proposition_n of_o our_o church_n argument_n cap._n 3._o num_fw-la 1._o and_o therewithal_o i_o have_v finish_v a_o full_a defence_n of_o that_o whole_a argument_n the_o reader_n must_v now_o judge_v whether_o the_o mother_n or_o the_o rebellious_a child_n have_v the_o better_a chap._n 7._o contain_v a_o second_o proof_n that_o the_o romish_a faith_n be_v false_a and_o erroneous_a mr._n wotton_n have_v save_v i_o a_o labour_n in_o this_o passage_n also_o pag._n 46._o he_o bring_v this_o argument_n if_o some_o article_n of_o the_o romish_a faith_n be_v false_a and_o erroneous_a than_o the_o romish_a faith_n be_v false_a and_o erroneous_a but_o some_o article_n of_o the_o romish_a faith_n 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he_o may_v satisfy_v himself_o in_o that_o demand_n cap._n 4._o num_fw-la 5._o where_o it_o be_v prove_v that_o faith_n be_v such_o a_o unite_v and_o continue_a thing_n that_o though_o it_o be_v make_v of_o many_o ingredient_n yet_o it_o admit_v no_o division_n into_o member_n or_o kind_n now_o this_o be_v true_a as_o it_o be_v most_o true_a then_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o church_n can_v no_o way_n be_v say_v to_o be_v erroneous_a in_o any_o one_o article_n but_o present_o the_o whole_a be_v erroneous_a this_o argument_n and_o manner_n of_o reason_v be_v shadow_v out_o in_o a_o leprous_a man_n who_o be_v account_v and_o deal_v withal_o as_o whole_o leprous_a though_o the_o seat_n of_o the_o disease_n be_v in_o the_o flesh_n only_o the_o reason_n be_v because_o though_o in_o a_o divide_a sense_n and_o in_o our_o apprehension_n man_n consist_v and_o be_v compound_v of_o distinct_a being_n viz._n soul_n and_o body_n flesh_n and_o spirit_n yet_o take_v he_o a_o individual_a man_n he_o be_v so_o compact_a that_o he_o be_v make_v one_o hypostecis_n or_o continue_a subsistency_n limit_v by_o one_o term_n only_o wherefore_o when_o the_o priest_n in_o moses_n law_n give_v sentence_n of_o a_o leprous_a man_n the_o whole_a man_n be_v comprehend_v under_o that_o sentence_n if_o a_o leprous_a man_n be_v shut_v out_o of_o the_o host_n the_o whole_a man_n not_o some_o part_n only_o be_v thrust_v out_o and_o this_o be_v not_o against_o reason_n for_o the_o soul_n give_v life_n sense_n and_o vigitation_n to_o the_o flesh_n and_o thereby_o it_o become_v subject_a to_o discase_v and_o defection_n and_o consequent_o the_o soul_n be_v indeed_o leprous_a though_o by_o reflection_n and_o at_o second_o hand_n so_o be_v it_o with_o the_o christian_a faith_n error_n may_v be_v seat_v
out_o question_n be_v of_o the_o church_n visible_a more_o than_o so_o god_n may_v require_v we_o to_o come_v out_o of_o babylon_n even_o we_o that_o be_v not_o there_o for_o such_o a_o command_n be_v no_o more_o but_o to_o prevent_v our_o go_v thither_o forasmuch_o as_o the_o same_o person_n that_o be_v further_a from_o babylon_n in_o this_o present_a estate_n be_v there_o even_o there_o already_o in_o possibility_n because_o the_o holy_a man_n that_o live_v live_v in_o the_o flesh_n or_o humane_a nature_n and_o therefore_o may_v he_o be_v carry_v to_o babylon_n because_o babylon_n be_v heresy_n or_o at_o least_o include_v it_o and_o heresy_n be_v a_o fruit_n of_o the_o flesh_n by_o this_o time_n i_o hope_v his_o whole_a discourse_n as_o well_o â—hat_n be_v to_o the_o purpose_n as_o what_o be_v beside_o the_o purpose_n be_v full_o clear_v and_o satisfy_v wherein_o â—hine_v depart_v from_o the_o liberty_n of_o a_o answerer_n of_o love_n and_o desire_v to_o satisfy_v the_o reader_n chap._n 10._o our_o opponent_n b._n his_o second_o argument_n he_o urge_v we_o cap._n 9_o pag._n 37._o with_o a_o second_o argument_n conclude_v after_o this_o manner_n that_o society_n which_o want_v the_o nature_n of_o a_o true_a church_n deny_v fundamental_a truth_n direct_o not_o by_o consequence_n but_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n do_v not_o deny_v fundamental_a truth_n direct_o but_o by_o consequence_n at_o the_o most_o for_o the_o pope_n arithmetic_n which_o he_o use_v in_o calculate_v the_o article_n of_o faith_n be_v not_o subrstaction_n but_o addition_n therefore_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n want_v not_o the_o nature_n of_o a_o true_a church_n the_o assumption_n and_o conclusion_n be_v set_v down_o pag_n 41._o and_o the_o title_n of_o the_o chapter_n pag_n 37._o the_o proposition_n be_v want_v in_o pag._n 21_o 22._o he_o write_v thus_o our_o adversary_n in_o this_o cause_n do_v bring_v the_o denial_n of_o the_o foundation_n of_o faith_n as_o a_o medium_n to_o 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it_o be_v frame_v in_o these_o term_n chap._n 11._o of_o the_o same_o argument_n new_o frame_v that_o society_n which_o want_v the_o nature_n of_o a_o true_a church_n do_v in_o word_n and_o profess_o deny_v the_o scripture_n and_o christ_n come_v to_o save_v sinner_n but_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n do_v not_o in_o word_n and_o profess_o deny_v the_o scripture_n and_o christ_n come_v to_o save_v sinner_n therefore_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n want_v not_o the_o nature_n of_o a_o true_a church_n his_o proof_n for_o this_o assumption_n be_v two_o the_o one_o pag._n 126._o in_o these_o word_n offer_v the_o fundamental_a word_n to_o they_o of_o the_o romish_a church_n and_o none_o among_o they_o will_v refuse_v to_o subscribe_v unto_o they_o the_o other_o be_v his_o five_o argument_n pag._n 59_o &c_n &c_n to_o prove_v the_o main_a question_n so_o desirous_a he_o be_v to_o make_v show_n of_o plenty_n that_o one_o shall_v be_v divide_v into_o two_o rather_o than_o he_o will_v be_v short_a in_o number_n in_o that_o he_o write_v thus_o in_o our_o disputation_n with_o they_o we_o do_v not_o prove_v that_o christ_n come_v to_o save_v sinner_n but_o we_o bring_v it_o in_o proof_n against_o they_o pag._n 62._o and_o this_o say_v he_o be_v a_o tacit_a consent_n of_o all_o we_o that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v not_o direct_o deny_v the_o foundation_n pag._n 61._o in_o pag_n 70._o he_o write_v thus_o i_o will_v glad_o see_v the_o testimony_n of_o but_o one_o in_o estimation_n for_o his_o learning_n among_o we_o that_o ever_o affirm_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n to_o deny_v the_o foundation_n of_o faith_n direct_o the_o church_n of_o england_n have_v not_o pass_v any_o such_o sentence_n upon_o she_o some_o of_o we_o touch_v this_o matter_n have_v write_v thus_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n deny_v christ_n jesus_n direct_o not_o by_o consequence_n only_o at_o this_o our_o opponent_n b._n pag._n 122._o grow_v very_o angry_a and_o crave_v pardon_n for_o break_v his_o 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