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faith_n be_v according_a to_o the_o papist_n the_o death_n of_o zeuxis_n the_o father_n writ_n that_o which_o can_v stand_v with_o papistry_n chap._n 44._o the_o whole_a christian_a faith_n deliver_v to_o the_o church_n have_v succeed_v in_o all_o age_n yet_o many_o corruption_n have_v sometime_o be_v add_v how_o and_o in_o what_o sense_n the_o church_n may_v err_v a_o catalogue_n assign_v of_o those_o in_o who_o the_o protestant_n faith_n always_o remain_v what_o be_v require_v to_o the_o reason_n of_o succession_n chap._n 45._o the_o father_n be_v not_o against_o the_o protestant_n but_o with_o they_o touch_v the_o century_n reject_v of_o the_o father_n the_o cause_n of_o some_o error_n in_o the_o father_n gregory_n faith_n and_o convert_n england_n the_o papist_n have_v be_v formal_a innovator_n how_o they_o excuse_v the_o matter_n chap._n 46._o the_o error_n broach_v by_o the_o late_a divine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n their_o error_n maintain_v by_o that_o church_n and_o 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the_o text_n nor_o be_v so_o warrantable_a for_o truth_n as_o some_o other_o exposition_n be_v how_o false_a this_o their_o say_n be_v will_v appear_v by_o the_o example_n of_o a_o earthly_a king_n which_o i_o will_v use_v to_o declare_v and_o explain_v this_o point_n 1_o if_o the_o reader_n will_v understand_v how_o and_o upon_o what_o occasion_n this_o text_n and_o the_o matter_n thereof_o come_v in_o question_n between_o we_o in_o this_o place_n he_o must_v observe_v that_o my_o adversary_n to_o show_v that_o god_n have_v provide_v and_o leave_v sufficient_a meâ—_n 〈◊〉_d for_o the_o instruct_n of_o all_o man_n whatsoever_o in_o the_o true_a faith_n 3._o faith_n in_o the_o way_n §._o 3._o allege_v this_o text_n of_o 1._o tim._n 2.4_o god_n will_v all_o man_n to_o be_v save_v etc._n etc._n conclude_v from_o it_o that_o see_v his_o will_n be_v a_o true_a will_n it_o must_v needs_o follow_v that_o he_o have_v leave_v such_o a_o mean_n then_o again_o to_o prove_v not_o only_o that_o god_n have_v promise_v such_o a_o mean_n of_o salvation_n which_o be_v the_o visible_a church_n but_o that_o he_o have_v also_o make_v it_o manifest_a and_o visible_a to_o all_o man_n whereby_o they_o may_v be_v direct_v to_o the_o faith_n he_o allege_v the_o same_o text_n 18._o text_n in_o the_o way_n §._o 18._o again_o god_n will_v have_v all_o man_n to_o be_v save_v as_o if_o this_o will_n of_o god_n affirm_v in_o the_o text_n can_v not_o stand_v unless_o the_o church_n which_o be_v the_o mean_n be_v always_o visible_a because_o he_o can_v be_v say_v to_o will_n that_o which_o he_o allow_v no_o mean_n to_o effect_v it_o be_v not_o therefore_o bring_v in_o against_o i_o in_o any_o dispute_n about_o praedestination_n but_o as_o you_o see_v upon_o the_o by_o to_o prove_v the_o visibility_n of_o the_o church_n in_o all_o age_n for_o the_o reveal_n of_o the_o faith_n to_o the_o world_n nevertheless_o know_v how_o gross_o the_o papist_n use_v to_o expound_v it_o and_o see_v how_o absurd_o my_o adversary_n apply_v it_o to_o prove_v such_o a_o visibility_n of_o the_o church_n as_o he_o imagine_v affirm_v that_o if_o the_o church_n be_v at_o any_o time_n not_o visible_a in_o his_o sense_n the_o world_n shall_v want_v the_o necessary_a mean_n of_o salvation_n &_o so_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v universal_o true_a that_o god_n will_v have_v all_o man_n to_o be_v save_v therefore_o i_o brief_o expound_v it_o 2._o it_o the_o way_n §._o 3._o n._n 2._o first_o only_o in_o the_o word_n of_o gregorius_n ariminensis_n a_o school_n doctor_n of_o his_o own_o but_o in_o 6._o in_o §._o 18._o n._n 6._o the_o second_o place_n more_o at_o large_a confirm_v the_o sense_n i_o give_v out_o of_o the_o father_n and_o diverse_a principal_n papist_n where_o i_o brief_o touch_v a_o obscure_a distinction_n of_o god_n antecedent_n and_o consequent_a will_n invent_v as_o a._n as_o damascenus_n hanc_fw-la distinctionem_fw-la introduxit_fw-la capreol_n 1._o d._n 45_o q._n 1._o be_v 2._o concl_n 4._o videtur_fw-la primus_fw-la hoc_fw-la modo_fw-la divinam_fw-la voluntatem_fw-la distinxisse_fw-la valentia_n to_o 1._o pag_n 360._o a._n they_o say_v by_o damascen_n first_o nothing_o out_o of_o durand_n a_o popish_a schoolman_n the_o distinction_n not_o to_o be_v real_a and_o then_o show_v that_o if_o it_o be_v yet_o the_o visiblenesse_n of_o the_o church_n be_v not_o prove_v thereby_o which_o i_o conclude_v in_o a_o syllogism_n set_v in_o the_o margin_n and_o so_o hold_v i_o whole_o to_o the_o point_n we_o have_v in_o hand_n all_o which_o discourse_n my_o adversary_n pass_v over_o answerless_a perceive_v well_o enough_o the_o exposition_n i_o give_v of_o the_o word_n to_o be_v such_o as_o can_v be_v deny_v and_o the_o application_n that_o himself_o make_v of_o they_o to_o be_v false_a and_o unsound_a and_o therefore_o in_o this_o place_n pretend_v to_o inquire_v out_o the_o true_a sense_n of_o the_o word_n he_o leave_v that_o which_o we_o have_v direct_o in_o hand_n invert_v the_o purpose_n whereto_o the_o text_n be_v mention_v forsake_v his_o question_n how_o the_o necessity_n of_o a_o visible_a rule_n be_v prove_v by_o it_o and_o run_v into_o a_o impertinent_a discourse_n about_o predestinationâ—_n wherein_o if_o he_o will_v have_v deal_v he_o have_v fair_a opportunity_n offer_v he_o in_o 41._o in_o digress_v 41._o it_o own_o place_n nevertheless_o so_o far_o as_o he_o meddle_v with_o that_o i_o say_v touch_v the_o meaning_n of_o the_o apostle_n word_n i_o will_v go_v with_o he_o and_o examine_v what_o he_o say_v 2_o first_o he_o grant_v it_o to_o be_v certain_a that_o the_o meaning_n be_v not_o god_n have_v a_o absolute_a or_o effectual_a will_n to_o save_v all_o man_n which_o i_o say_v too_o for_o whatsoever_o god_n will_v and_o decree_n absolute_o shall_v be_v effect_v which_o the_o salvation_n of_o some_o never_o be_v 3_o next_o he_o say_v that_o by_o this_o i_o may_v see_v how_o much_o i_o mistake_v he_o when_o i_o think_v he_o to_o mean_v that_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n be_v not_o only_o such_o as_o may_v be_v know_v but_o such_o as_o actual_o be_v know_v to_o all_o place_n age_n and_o person_n but_o he_o mistake_v himself_o for_o whatsoever_o his_o meaning_n be_v it_o follow_v necessary_o upon_o his_o word_n for_o albeit_o he_o say_v god_n have_v no_o absolute_a or_o effectual_a will_n to_o save_v all_o man_n yet_o maintain_v that_o he_o reprobate_n none_n but_o for_o the_o foresight_n of_o their_o unbelief_n he_o must_v consequent_o suppose_v the_o rule_n of_o faith_n to_o be_v actual_o manifest_v to_o all_o because_o god_n can_v reprobate_v for_o unbelief_n foresee_v those_o to_o who_o he_o never_o reveal_v the_o rule_n of_o faith_n because_o it_o be_v never_o in_o the_o power_n of_o such_o to_o believe_v or_o if_o he_o say_v they_o be_v reprobate_v because_o they_o find_v not_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n or_o because_o it_o be_v not_o manifest_v to_o they_o than_o the_o visible_a church_n can_v be_v the_o rule_n for_o that_o according_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o papist_n be_v always_o and_o actual_o manifest_v in_o every_o age_n to_o all_o sort_n of_o people_n as_o himself_o defend_v in_o the_o twelve_o chapter_n of_o his_o treatise_n i_o may_v therefore_o mistake_v his_o meaning_n but_o the_o consequence_n of_o his_o word_n i_o mistake_v not_o 2.4_o the_o divers_a exposition_n of_o the_o place_n of_o 1._o tim_n 2.4_o 4_o second_o he_o grant_v there_o be_v diverse_a exposition_n of_o those_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n give_v by_o good_a author_n and_o this_o be_v likewise_o true_a but_o yet_o himselelfe_n give_v no_o exposition_n at_o all_o but_o bare_o allege_v the_o text_n and_o therefore_o he_o may_v the_o better_o give_v i_o leave_v brief_o to_o touch_v a_o exposition_n or_o two_o use_v by_o the_o father_n and_o the_o learned_a of_o his_o own_o side_n and_o suspect_v the_o issue_n of_o his_o own_o discourse_n wherein_o he_o know_v he_o maintain_v that_o exposition_n which_o the_o father_n est_fw-la father_n see_v sixt._n senens_fw-la biblioth_o lib._n 6_o annot_fw-mi 251._o where_n have_v set_v down_o the_o word_n of_o chrysostome_n and_o certain_a other_o father_n affirm_v predestination_n to_o be_v for_o work_n foresee_v he_o sâ—veâ—_n haec_fw-la patrum_fw-la dicta_fw-la ex_fw-la quibus_fw-la colligi_fw-la videtur_fw-la praescientiam_fw-la meritorum_fw-la esse_fw-la causam_fw-la divina_fw-la praedestinationis_fw-la quae_fw-la quidem_fw-la sententia_fw-la in_o pelagio_n damnata_fw-la est_fw-la after_o the_o rise_n of_o pelagius_n heresy_n especial_o condemn_v and_o the_o papist_n who_o i_o quote_v that_o know_v it_o well_o enough_o think_v not_o so_o probable_a or_o likely_a as_o the_o exposition_n that_o i_o give_v 249._o give_v tho._n 1._o p._n qu._n 19_o art_n 6._o ad_fw-la 1._o diony_n 1._o d._n 46._o qu._n 1._o sub_fw-la sin_n dom._n bann_n
his_o goodness_n as_o one_o that_o be_v good_a but_o such_o as_o sin_n he_o will_v punish_v as_o one_o that_o be_v just_a the_o first_o therefore_o be_v call_v his_o antecedent_n will_v and_o good_a pleasure_n but_o the_o latter_a his_o conseqvent_n will_v and_o permission_n arise_v because_o of_o us._n and_o this_o permission_n again_o be_v twofold_a the_o one_o dispensatorie_n and_o correctorie_n to_o salvation_n the_o other_o condemnatorie_n to_o final_a judgement_n again_o fin_n again_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d dialog_n de_fw-fr manich._n prope_fw-la fin_n albeit_o god_n will_v condemn_v yet_o this_o he_o do_v not_o according_a to_o his_o antecedent_n will_v but_o his_o conseqvent_n that_o be_v a_o antecedent_n will_v which_o a_o man_n will_n of_o himself_o and_o that_o be_v a_o conseqvent_n will_v which_o arise_v from_o the_o cause_n of_o the_o thing_n that_o be_v do_v for_o god_n antecedent_o of_o himself_o will_v that_o all_o man_n shall_v be_v save_v and_o come_v to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o his_o truth_n but_o when_o we_o sin_n he_o will_v punish_v we_o so_o much_o as_o he_o see_v expedient_a and_o thus_o god_n antecedent_n will_n be_v of_o his_o goodness_n and_o his_o conseqvent_n will_v of_o his_o justice_n these_o be_v the_o word_n of_o damascen_n expound_v the_o manner_n how_o god_n will_v have_v all_o man_n to_o be_v save_v wherein_o he_o seem_v to_o affirm_v five_o thing_n touch_v the_o antecedent_n and_o consequent_a will_n of_o god_n first_o that_o his_o antecedent_n will_n be_v that_o whereby_o he_o will_v a_o thing_n simple_o of_o himself_o of_o his_o own_o goodness_n and_o nature_n not_o move_v thereunto_o by_o any_o thing_n in_o the_o creature_n out_o of_o himself_o as_o when_o he_o will_v the_o good_a and_o salvation_n of_o the_o elect_a his_o consequent_a will_n be_v that_o when_o he_o will_v according_a to_o the_o disposition_n and_o nature_n or_o circumstance_n of_o the_o creature_n as_o it_o deserve_v for_o the_o manifestation_n of_o his_o justice_n as_o when_o he_o will_v the_o punishment_n of_o he_o that_o sin_n because_o in_o justice_n sin_n deserve_v punishment_n second_o that_o god_n consequent_a will_n follow_v upon_o the_o condition_n of_o the_o creature_n and_o upon_o some_o cause_n therein_o go_v before_o in_o which_o regard_n it_o be_v call_v consequent_a that_o be_v a_o will_n ensue_v after_o as_o when_o he_o will_v the_o punishment_n of_o man_n after_o that_o man_n have_v sin_v against_o he_o three_o that_o the_o antecedent_n will_v of_o god_n be_v his_o good_a pleasure_n whereby_o he_o take_v delight_n in_o that_o he_o will_v but_o his_o consequent_a will_n be_v his_o permission_n suffer_v judgement_n to_o be_v inflict_v on_o they_o that_o sin_n four_o that_o by_o this_o antecedent_n will_v god_n will_v all_o man_n to_o be_v save_v and_o come_v to_o his_o kingdom_n and_o by_o his_o consequent_a will_n such_o to_o be_v punish_v as_o sin_n against_o he_o five_o that_o god_n by_o his_o antecedent_n will_v decree_v only_o good_a thing_n according_a to_o his_o goodness_n and_o by_o his_o consequent_a will_n only_o evil_a thing_n according_a to_o his_o justice_n in_o that_o he_o make_v no_o man_n to_o punish_v he_o but_o to_o participate_v his_o goodness_n from_o this_o sense_n of_o damascen_n thus_o explicate_v i_o gather_v three_o thing_n that_o ensue_v upon_o it_o first_o that_o by_o damascen_n judgement_n the_o first_o root_n of_o election_n shall_v be_v foresee_v merit_n and_o the_o first_o root_n of_o reprobation_n shall_v be_v the_o foresight_n of_o the_o reprobate_n sin_n because_o none_o be_v either_o save_v or_o refuse_v but_o by_o a_o consequent_a will_n which_o will_n arise_v in_o god_n from_o the_o cause_n in_o the_o creature_n second_o i_o gather_v that_o what_o god_n will_v not_o simple_o of_o himself_o without_o the_o condition_n of_o the_o creature_n he_o will_v not_o antecedent_o but_o consequent_o because_o all_o god_n antecedent_n will_v be_v simple_a and_o independent_a whereupon_o it_o nothing_o it_o hence_o it_o manifest_o appear_v that_o this_o antecedent_n will_v in_o god_n be_v no_o formal_a will_n because_o it_o work_v nothing_o follow_v that_o albeit_o god_n by_o his_o antecedent_n will_v will_v all_o man_n to_o be_v save_v yet_o no_o man_n be_v save_v by_o it_o forasmuch_o as_o all_o man_n be_v save_v consequent_o upon_o the_o condition_n of_o their_o work_n three_o i_o gather_v that_o god_n willing_a to_o save_v all_o by_o his_o antecedent_n will_v and_o yet_o de_fw-fr facto_fw-la save_v none_o but_o by_o his_o consequent_a will_n arise_v from_o that_o which_o he_o see_v or_o foresee_v in_o the_o creature_n it_o follow_v that_o the_o distinction_n of_o will_n antecdent_a and_o consequent_a be_v not_o real_a because_o according_a to_o the_o one_o of_o they_o god_n work_v nothing_o and_o this_o touch_a damascen_n own_v exposition_n 8_o other_o expound_v the_o antecedent_n will_v to_o be_v upon_o the_o first_o consideration_n of_o a_o thing_n and_o the_o consequent_a upon_o the_o latter_a consideration_n thus_o as_o god_n consider_v man_n absolute_o abstract_v from_o every_o thing_n that_o circumstantial_o belong_v unto_o he_o and_o represent_v he_o to_o himself_o only_o as_o a_o creature_n he_o will_v his_o good_a and_o salvation_n antecedent_o but_o consider_v he_o again_o not_o only_o according_a to_o his_o nature_n but_o also_o as_o he_o be_v a_o sinner_n or_o a_o just_a man_n so_o he_o will_v his_o salvation_n or_o damnation_n consequent_o according_a to_o that_o he_o find_v in_o he_o 1._o he_o tho._n 1._o p._n q._n 1â—_n art_n 6._o ad_fw-la 1._o thus_o aquinas_n express_v the_o distinction_n out_o of_o the_o metaphysic_n 3_o metaphysic_n as_o gregor_n arimin_n show_v at_o large_a â—_o 46._o q._n unic_n ad_fw-la 3_o clean_o contrary_a to_o damascen_n yea_o tho._n yea_o pag._n 306._o e._n in_o 1._o part_n tho._n say_v gregory_n of_o valence_n there_o be_v a_o manifest_a difference_n between_o this_o exposition_n of_o thomas_n and_o the_o former_a of_o damascen_n and_o this_o appear_v sufficient_o of_o itself_o which_o must_v be_v note_v against_o my_o adversary_n because_o he_o join_v thomas_n and_o damascen_n in_o a_o distinction_n wherein_o they_o be_v so_o far_o from_o agree_v that_o they_o be_v contrary_a and_o when_o he_o have_v do_v talk_v of_o our_o ignorance_n and_o not_o understand_v 9_o a_o three_o exposition_n be_v that_o which_o i_o note_v in_o the_o margin_n of_o my_o s_o my_o the_o way_n p._n 94._o s_o book_n that_o god_n antecedent_n will_v be_v when_o he_o supply_v mankind_n with_o all_o such_o help_n and_o mean_n whether_o of_o nature_n or_o grace_n as_o be_v sufficient_a to_o bring_v he_o to_o salvation_n but_o his_o consequent_a will_n be_v when_o he_o make_v these_o mean_n not_o only_o sufficient_a but_o effectual_a also_o and_o thereupon_o according_a to_o the_o merit_n of_o our_o work_n confer_v salvation_n and_o so_o he_o will_v the_o salvation_n of_o all_o 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set_v forth_o by_o the_o king_n authority_n defend_v momus_n in_o his_o humour_n 4._o the_o subordination_n of_o mean_n 179._o pag._n 179._o a._n d._n §_o 1._o that_o english_a translation_n of_o scripture_n be_v not_o infallible_a concern_v my_o first_o reason_n it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v that_o i_o do_v not_o deny_v the_o true_a scripture_n either_o in_o the_o original_n or_o in_o the_o translation_n to_o be_v infallible_a but_o only_o i_o prove_v the_o ordinary_a english_a translation_n which_o ordinary_o protestant_n call_v the_o scripture_n not_o to_o be_v infallible_a nor_o consequent_o to_o be_v 68_o wootton_n pag._n 68_o as_o some_o make_v they_o the_o only_a sufficient_a rule_n and_o mean_n to_o breed_v faith_n m._n wootton_n ask_v what_o english_a protestant_n ever_o affirm_v that_o they_o be_v infallible_a or_o take_v they_o for_o the_o rule_n to_o this_o i_o reply_v first_o that_o i_o can_v wish_v these_o his_o question_n can_v not_o be_v answer_v with_o affirm_v that_o 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for_o this_o be_v the_o thing_n that_o shall_v be_v believe_v and_o be_v not_o the_o rule_n and_o mean_n whereby_o man_n be_v to_o be_v direct_v to_o attain_v belief_n the_o first_o hebrew_a or_o greek_a original_a text_n immediate_o write_v by_o the_o holy_a writer_n can_v be_v their_o rule_n for_o first_o where_o be_v this_o to_o be_v find_v or_o how_o shall_v they_o be_v sure_a if_o they_o find_v it_o that_o it_o be_v the_o very_a authentical_a or_o original_a and_o not_o a_o transumpt_n or_o if_o a_o transumpt_n may_v also_o serve_v so_o that_o it_o be_v incorrupt_a how_o shall_v they_o know_v infallible_o seclude_v church-authoritie_n that_o that_o copy_n which_o they_o have_v be_v incorrupt_a when_o they_o never_o see_v the_o first_o authentical_a nor_o ever_o do_v or_o be_v able_a to_o compare_v they_o together_o final_o suppose_v they_o have_v a_o copy_n well_o agree_v with_o the_o original_n what_o near_o be_v they_o attain_v faith_n by_o it_o since_o they_o can_v understand_v it_o 25._o white_a pag._n 25._o m_o white_n be_v so_o far_o from_o disclaim_v from_o english_a translation_n as_o m._n wotton_n do_v that_o he_o will_v needs_o defend_v they_o to_o be_v infallible_a in_o the_o matter_n contain_v in_o they_o in_o so_o much_o that_o with_o a_o bold_a brazen_a face_n he_o say_v martin_n can_v give_v one_o instance_n of_o the_o sense_n corrupt_v 26._o pag._n 26._o and_o although_o he_o seem_v to_o leave_v himself_o a_o start_a hole_n by_o say_v that_o he_o do_v not_o defend_v tbis_fw-la or_o that_o man_n edition_n but_o the_o scripture_n well_o and_o faithful_o translate_v account_v it_o sufficient_a that_o there_o be_v some_o translation_n faithful_a and_o agree_v with_o the_o original_n in_o the_o church_n ibid._n ibid._n yet_o present_o after_o he_o take_v upon_o he_o to_o defend_v the_o variety_n of_o translation_n say_v that_o this_o variety_n have_v be_v in_o word_n and_o stile_n and_o not_o in_o any_o material_a point_n of_o the_o sense_n now_o how_o false_a this_o bold_a and_o blind_a answer_n be_v the_o reader_n may_v easy_o perceive_v if_o he_o will_v read_v not_o only_a m._n gregory_n martin_n discovery_n but_o also_o m._n reynolds_n refutation_n of_o m._n whitaker_n and_o the_o ground_n of_o the_o new_a religion_n which_o book_n neither_o be_v or_o can_v so_o be_v answer_v by_o m._n fulke_o and_o his_o fellow_n protestant_n to_o help_v he_o but_o still_o it_o will_v be_v justify_v and_o make_v plain_a that_o not_o only_o one_o but_o many_o instance_n may_v be_v give_v of_o the_o sense_n corrupt_v the_o which_o be_v not_o only_o prove_v by_o our_o divine_n but_o also_o confess_v by_o protestant_n themselves_n one_o of_o which_o say_v hell_n broughtons_n epistle_n to_o the_o lord_n of_o the_o council_n carlisle_n in_o his_o book_n that_o christ_n go_v not_o down_o into_o hell_n that_o the_o english_a bible_n be_v full_a of_o error_n and_o what_o error_n only_o in_o stile_n or_o word_n nay_o m._n carlisle_n say_v that_o our_o english_a translator_n in_o many_o place_n detort_v the_o scripture_n from_o the_o right_a sense_n and_o that_o they_o have_v corrupt_v and_o deprave_a the_o sense_n obscure_v the_o truth_n deceive_v the_o ignorant_a which_o their_o confession_n if_o it_o be_v not_o also_o acknowledge_v for_o truth_n by_o other_o what_o need_n be_v there_o after_o so_o many_o variety_n of_o translation_n that_o with_o so_o much_o cost_n care_n and_o scandal_n to_o the_o protestant_a cause_n they_o must_v needs_o have_v order_n by_o public_a authority_n to_o coin_n a_o new_a translation_n of_o the_o bible_n different_a from_o all_o english_a translation_n that_o have_v be_v before_o the_o which_o also_o when_o it_o come_v forth_o will_v not_o be_v of_o infallible_a authority_n more_o than_o the_o former_a neither_o can_v at_o least_o unlearned_a man_n be_v infallible_o assure_v that_o it_o
sufficient_a for_o the_o understanding_n of_o latin_a because_o it_o be_v not_o sufficient_a unless_o the_o learner_n go_v to_o school_v and_o hear_v his_o master_n teach_v he_o and_o though_o it_o be_v grant_v that_o the_o ministry_n of_o man_n and_o rule_n of_o art_n and_o knowledge_n of_o tongue_n be_v all_o subject_n to_o error_n yet_o do_v it_o not_o follow_v that_o by_o they_o we_o can_v attain_v infallible_a assurance_n of_o our_o translation_n as_o i_o have_v show_v in_o 3._o in_o the_o way_n §._o 6._o n._n 3._o my_o answer_n to_o this_o argument_n where_o it_o be_v first_o propound_v whither_o i_o refer_v my_o adversary_n that_o if_o he_o will_v have_v deal_v real_o shall_v not_o have_v here_o repeat_v his_o old_a argument_n but_o have_v ingenuous_o reply_v what_o he_o have_v to_o say_v to_o it_o but_o that_o have_v be_v labour_n chap._n xxix_o 1._o touch_v the_o obscurity_n of_o the_o scripture_n 2._o the_o necessity_n of_o mean_n to_o be_v use_v for_o the_o understanding_n of_o the_o scripture_n prove_v not_o their_o obscurity_n 3._o tradition_n debar_v a_o council_n be_v above_o the_o pope_n 4._o 5._o the_o scripture_n of_o itself_o easy_a to_o all_o that_o use_v it_o as_o they_o shall_v 6._o 7._o the_o certain_a sense_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o the_o assurance_n thereof_o be_v not_o by_o tradition_n 183._o pag._n 183._o a._n d._n §_o 2._o that_o scripture_n alone_o be_v obscure_a concern_v the_o second_o reason_n about_o the_o obscurity_n of_o scripture_n it_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v that_o i_o do_v not_o speak_v of_o the_o obscurity_n of_o scripture_n as_o though_o i_o mean_v that_o it_o can_v not_o by_o any_o mean_n be_v understand_v 74._o wotton_n pag._n 74._o as_o m._n wotton_n seem_v willing_a to_o mis-understand_v i_o neither_o do_v i_o charge_v the_o scripture_n itself_o with_o any_o fault_n or_o imperfection_n when_o i_o say_v it_o be_v obscure_a but_o do_v acknowledge_v rather_o that_o it_o be_v the_o perfection_n of_o scripture_n the_o highness_n and_o majesty_n of_o the_o matter_n and_o the_o strangeness_n of_o the_o stile_n on_o the_o one_o side_n and_o the_o weakness_n and_o ignorance_n and_o sometime_o perverseness_n of_o man_n wit_n on_o the_o other_o side_n which_o make_v it_o obscure_a but_o whence_o soever_o the_o cause_n of_o obscurity_n proceed_v which_o be_v impertinent_a to_o my_o purpose_n the_o only_a thing_n which_o i_o be_o to_o prove_v be_v that_o de_fw-fr facto_fw-la it_o be_v obscure_a or_o at_o least_o not_o so_o easy_a as_o the_o rule_n and_o mean_n that_o shall_v ordinary_o breed_v infallible_a faith_n in_o all_o sort_n ought_v to_o be_v and_o this_o my_o second_o reason_n convince_v it_o be_v most_o evident_a that_o scripture_n alone_o be_v not_o so_o easy_a neither_o to_o unlearned_a nor_o learned_a man_n the_o which_o 36._o white_a pag._n 25._o 39_o 36._o m._n white_n seem_v to_o grant_v when_o he_o require_v so_o many_o other_o even_o outward_a mean_n and_o help_n beside_o the_o 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