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A13642	Keepe your text. Or a short discourse, wherein is sett downe a method to instruct, how a Catholike (though but competently learned) may defend his fayth against the most learned protestant, that is, if so the protestant will tye himselfe to his owne principle and doctrine, in keeping himselfe to the text of the scripture. Composed by a Catholike priest	Véron, François, 1575-1649. Adrian Hucher ministre d'Amyens, mis à l'inquisition des passages de la Bible de Genève. aut	1619 (1619)	STC 23924; ESTC S107525	31,396	48

this Discourse such aggrauating circumstances on both sides which so farre-forth as they concerne the interpreting of Scripture may iustly seeme to aduance the Fathers and depresse or vnderualiew our Sectaries they being such as in a cleere and dispassionate eye or in the libration of an eauen and stable hand shall be able I hope to weigh much and cause in this point an euidency of Credibilitie at least if not an euidency of Truth and to admonish vs to call to mind that counsell in Iob (b) Iob c. 8. Diligenter inuestiga patrum memoriam and againe (c) Ibidem Interroga generationem pristinam But to beginne 1. The Fathers liued in the times neere (d) Ignatius and Dionysius the Apostles Scholars Iust Martyr Irenaeus in the second Age. Tertull. Origen Cyprian in the third Athanas Ambr. Hilar Basil Nazianz. in the fourth Chrys Ierom. Augustin in the fift to Christ some conuersing with his Apostles others with their Scholars and therefore the more easie for them to know what expositions of Scripture were first deliuered and what Faith first preached Adde to this that the very practice of their Religion then vsed the Church then remayning by the acknowledgement of our Aduersaries in her integritie of faith serued as a Comment to them of the Scriptures Our Sectaries appeared so many ages after and indeed so late to wit in these our owne Canicular and vnlucky dayes as that their very writings wherein they first vented forth their doctrine may bee said to bee as yet scarce drie Men at this present liuing who can remember their first reuolt and insurrection so euident it is that their beliefe was neuer heard of before the deplorable apostasie of Luther Luther the Adam of his vnfortunate posteritie vpon whom is deriued by his fall an Originall Contumacy as I may terme it against the Church of Rome their perdition following ineuitably except they baptize themselues in the teares of an vnfeigned and contrite submission But to proceede 2. The Fathers for no small number of them euen from their Cradle Mothers breasts did suck those (e) Ignat. Epiphan Athanas Basil Nazianzen Chrysost Cyrill Theodoret. c. were Greeke Fathers in which tongue the new Testament was written tongues wherein a great part of the Scripture was first written and therefore they are much aduantaged the Letter being the shell of the sense for the picking out of the true meaning thereof Our Sectaries what insight they haue in the said tongues is only by Arte and industrie which euer subscribeth to Nature whereof if wee compare them with the Fathers herein they will appeare to be but yong and Alphabeticall Linguists which disparitie of theirs must needs be great since the Tongues in this respect may bee truely termed the Porters of Learning or the Mines wherein the riches of knowledge are found 3. The Fathers deliuered their sentence interpretations of Scripture many ages before the points of Faith and Doctrine for which they were vrged were euer questioned of and therefore what they writ was free from all partialitie and preiudice of iudgement the false glasse which euer reflecteth backe the sight of any thing in an vntrue forme Our Sectaries now after their Religion hath once got one wing doe after shape such constructions of Scripture as are most sutable to their Positions thus where in reason Faith is to bee framed according to the sense of Scripture here with them the sense of Scripture is to be measured by their faith 4. The Fathers though writing in different Ages different Countries different Tongues vpon different occasions like the earth which is most stably setled in an vnstable place euen with wonderfull agreement consent and constancie an infallible Character of Gods holy Spirit for non est Deus dissentionis 1 Cor. 14. sed pacis do interpret all the chiefe passages of Scripture vrged either by vs or our Aduersaries in one and the same sense in regard whereof it is lesse probable that God should permit so many so vertuous so learned men ioyntly to erre therein Our Sectaries indeed inter-league and jump together in wresting Gods Word from all Catholike sense but that done then beginne their irreconciliable warres and disagreements in seeking to appropriate the seuerall (f) Thus for example in that place of Matth. c. 16. Tues Petrus by the word Rocke Erasmus vnderstandeth euery one of the faithfull Caluin Christ Luther and the Centurie writers doe vnderstand thereby the confession of Faith Constructions to the vpholding of rich ones peculiar and different opinion thus they being instantly resolued in themselues from whom to flye but not whom to follow a Document to teach vs that Heresie is euer in labour with Discord and Vnion against the true Church presently ingenders Disvnion within the false Church for it is certaine that the seuerall Doctrines of our Aduersaries could yet neuer be wounded vp in one generall Confession 5. The Fathers did cut of all lets and impediments which might hinder eyther Deuotion or Study the two wings wherwith Mans vnderstāding mounts vp to the speculation of the highest Mysteries Hence it proceeded that they embraced perpetuall Chastitie contemned all Riches and Honours chastized their bodies with Fasting Prayer and other spirituall Disciplines thus according to the Alchymist making Mortification immediate to precede Vinification so as this course of abandoning the World besides Gods speciall assistance to all such truely Noble and Heroicall Designes cleereth and enlighteneth much the speculatiue power of the Soule the only faculty proper for knowledge otherwise ouer-clowded with the mists of wordly cares anxieties and distractions Our Sectaries though commonly at the first they euer haue the Gospell in their mouthes thus acting the Prologue with the Spirit but the Epilogue or Conclusion with the Flesh are in the end become so loth to be spotted with the least aspersion or touch of Superstition since (g) Osiander in Epitom Cent. 4. p. 99 p. 100. 103. no better they repute the Fathers liues as that they prostitute themselues as Drugges to the Word being become euen breathlesse through their earnest pursuite of Temporall pleasures dignities and sensualitie and raueling out their whole time in the gaining and enioying thereof but the lesse maruell since it is written (h) Rom. 8. that those who are after the flesh fauour the things of the flesh 6. The Fathers I meane diuers of them through Gods boundlesse Omnipotency vntwisting at his pleasure the thred of Nature for most easie it is to that powerfull hand which first created Nature to dis-nature all things created haue wrought many stupendious and astonishing Miracles some whereof were done in proofe and confirmation of their (i) Vide Cyprian Serm. de lapsis Ambr. de obitu Satyr c. 7. Optat. l. 2. contra Donatist Nazian in Cypr. Aug. de Ciuit Dei l. 22. c. 8. Chrysost l. contra Gētil Euseb l. 7. c. 14. Religion and though

is now in Heauen according to that Text in the Acts chap. 3. Heauen must receaue Christ vntill the time of the restitution of all things Therefore the body of Christ is not now vpon the Earth or Altar Here now the vnlearned Catholike is to reiect according to the Protestants owne Principle the authoritie of this argument though otherwise Logicall in forme for though the Minor or second Proposition be taken out of Scripture and is most true yet the Maior or first Proposition whereupon the weight of the argument chiefly relyeth is borrowed from a Proposition in Philosophie to wit that one Body cannot be in seuerall places at one time and thus what is here proued is proued principally from Philosophie and consequently the argument is not to be prized by the Catholike who at this present expecteth proofs only from the Scripture and from nothing else Thus farre concerning these few precedent obseruations of which the Catholike is to make vse and put in practice as often as occasion shall be presented when hee contesteth in disputation with any Protestant It now followeth in this next place to exemplifie in one or other Article or Question how a Catholike who is but of small reading is more particularly to comport and carry himselfe in his conflict with a Protestant Minister or some other such like man who hath promised afore-hand with great iollitie of words to confirme his owne faith and refute our pretended errours only from the Scripture it selfe And because the Scripture is alleaged by the Protestant after two sorts The first manner in obiecting the pure and expresse Word it selfe without helpe of any illations or consequences so as the immediate and literall sense thereof is auerred by him to fall plumbe vpon the prouing of his faith or disprouing our errours The second in vrging a Text of Scripture for proofe or disproofe of a point but this not in it immediate sense and construction but only by way of necessary inferences and consequences as himselfe affirmeth Both these two sorts of the Protestants disputing we will consider a part and shew how a Catholike not greatly seene in Diuinitie is able to defend his faith against any learned Protestant insisting only in the holy Scripture as the sole rule of faith And first I will beginne with the first manner of pressing the Scripture against vs to wit in seeming to vrge it in it immediate sense and Construction where I am in the beginning to forewarne the Catholike that hee doth seuer and distinguish these words frequently vsed by the Protestant in alleaging of Texts to wit This is the sense of such a Text of Scripture or the Scripture in this place meaneth thus c. from that which that Text importeth in it plaine and familiar acception of Words since that other construction vnderstood by the former words of the Protestant is but calumniously obtruded vpon the Text. And for the better encouraging of the vnlearned Catholike herein I can and doe assure him that there is not any one Text through out the Bible which the Protestant vseth to alleage against any Article of our faith the which Text euen according to their owne English Translations may seeme in direct and expresse words immediatly to impugne the point against which it is produced yea oftentimes it doth not so much as concerne it but that when it is obiected against the said Catholike point it is forcibly wrested by the Protestant thereto with this or the like vshering phrase This is the sense of this Text c. or else it is applyed against our doctrine only by helpe of weake inferences or sequels of which kind of consequences we shall hereafter speake 1. But to proceed forward I will exemplifie my following Method in the Questions of the Reall Presence and of Antichrist which may serue as Precedents to bee followed in all other Questions And here if you for I now suppose that I speake to an vnlearned Catholike bee to dispute with a Protestant Minister you are first to demand of him if hee can alleage any euident and expresse place of Scripture not seconded only with his owne interpretation of it or helpe of sequels for the destroying of the Reall Presence of Christs bodie in the Eucharist if he can then vrge him presently to shew it if hee cannot as certainly he cannot then afore you proceed further force him to confesse in plaine termes that hee hath no expresse Scripture without further interpretation which doth condemne the supposed errour of the Reall Presence 2. Next if the Protestant Minister should seeke to expound by way of conference of places those wordes of our Sauiour This is my (a) Mat. 26 body This is my bloud figuratiuely by those other words of his I am (b) Ioh. 15. the Vine and I am (c) Ioh. 10. the doore c. both which Texts all grant to be taken in a figuratiue construction then demand of your Minister if he can alleage any passage of Scripture which affirmeth that these wordes This is my body c. ought to be interpreted by those wordes I am the Vine or I am the Doore If there be any such passage let it be instantly read if the Scripture saith not so much but only the Protestant Minister auerreth it from his owne coniecture then force the Minister to confesse that it is not the Scripture but himselfe that teacheth that these two figuratiue Texts of the Vine and the Doore are to serue for a rule whereby we are to interpret those other words of Christ This is my body c. for these open Confessions as shewing that the Minister euen in the beginning abandoneth his Principle touching his relying vpon Scripture will much confound him in the presence of his auditorie Adde that such conference of Scripture is but vncertaine euen according to D. Whitaker who thus writeth hereof L. de Eccles contra Bell. controu 2. q. 4. p. 221. Qualia illa media or Looke what the meanes of interpreting are speaking of conference of places such the interpretation must be but the meanes of interpreting obscure places are vncertaine therefore the interpretation must be vncertaine and if vncertaine then may it be false thus He. In like manner if he vrge those words of our Sauiour (d) Ioh. 6. The Spirit quickneth the flesh profiteth nothing or any other Text of like nature you may tell him that you finde nothing in the expresse wordes and immediate construction of them touching the absence of our Sauiours body in the Eucharist since these wordes say nothing of our Sauiours body nor so much as naming it at al. If the Minister reply that Christ meaneth in these wordes that his body profiteth nothing and therefore hee would not really giue it to his Disciples to eate at the last supper you may answere that besides the atrocitie of this Position ascribing no profit to Christs body which suffered death for the redemption of Mankind you denie

the rest of them performed did not fall plumbe and immediatly vpon the strengthning of their doctrine yet they all demonstrate that the exhibitors of such were of a true faith and doctrine since God is not able this disabilitie in him is power this weaknesse strength to concurre miraculously with a man of an erroneous religion especially when such proceedings might bee calumniously wrested to the supporting of falshood In the number of these Miracles wrought by them and the raising vp of the dead the supernaturall curing of diseases the certain foretelling of accidentall euents meerely depending of Mans Will and the like the only sealing arguments and such as most forcibly checke Mans incredulity Our Sectaries though emulous of the Catholike Church her glory herein could neuer truly vaunt of restoring to life or miraculously curing a dead Flye or a scabd Horse Nay most of them disclayme (k) D. Morton in his Apologie Cath. part 1. l. 2. c. 25. Sutcliff in his Examination of the Suruey of D. Kellison and almost all other Protestants so farre in this point that they boldly auouch only thereby to dis-countenance those of Catholike times that all true Miracles haue ceased euer since the Apostles dayes and errour controuled by the most graue testimonies of ancient Authours and by the certaine experience of these our times adde hereto that it were the greatest Miracle for Gods hands so many Ages together to bee manicled and tyed especially where so often iust occasion hath beene presented from working of Miracles 7. To conclude the Fathers I speake of sundry of them for professing only their faith and Religion haue endured with inuincible Fortitude and immooueable Resolution through the particular assistance of the Holy Ghost most exquisite torments diuers of them in the most tempestuous and rugged state of the Church conquering the Persecutors cruelty by their owne patient suffering of Martyrdome (l) As Ignatius Polycarpus Cyprian and others death death which because their birth to Immortalitie (m) Tertull. l. de Anima Paradisiclauis sanguis Martyris Our Sectaries excepting some few Mechanicall fellowes burnt here at home for their obstinacy in Queen Maries time are so farre from suffering any pressures by profession of their faith as that most of them haue made their Religion a rush to the worldly preferments they by it only enioying as by want of it losing riches honours aduancements and other as I may terme them such glorious miseries so as perhaps it may be said that their greatest persecution considering Gods secret iudgements and future punishments is that they haue not tasted any persecution and their most dangerous miserie that they haue liued wholly exempt from miserie And thus farre now touching the ballancing of the ancient Fathers with our present Sectaries But to come to an end of this short Mescelene or compounded Treatise here I remit to all impartiall iudgements the consideration of two Points proued in these few Leaues First and primatiuely that though the Protestant setteth downe a Basis or ground-worke of his Religion and vantingly vndertaketh accordingly that all articles of Faith are to receaue their proofe only from the sacred Scripture which holy Writings we Catholikes affect with all due respect reuerence and honour yet is he not able to proue the points of his owne faith or to impugne ours from the said head only but is forced after he hath framed one or two Syllogismes or Arguments to flie from Scripture either to some humane authoritie or to his owne priuate spirit for his interpreting the Scripture bearing himselfe herein like to the Ostrich which as the Prophet saith is great of feathers but short of flight Secondly and but incidently when as the Protestant maketh his owne particular iudgement the last and highest Tribunall from whence his exposition of Scripture receaues it warrant and whereas this his construction mainly impugneth the construction giuen by the ancient Fathers since the Fathers maintayning our Catholike doctrine euen in the Protestants acknowledgement must consequently maintayne our Catholike sense of the Scripture that the Fathers through diuers priuileges found in them but wanting in the Protestant Ministers are much aduantaged aboue our Aduersaries for the deliuering of the intended sense of the Holy Ghost in the Scripture And this made manifest by all probable and morall inducements so as Reason it selfe doth heare reason and pleade in behalfe of the Fathers and the light of Nature proclaymeth to vs in this point their light of Grace all such others as maintayne the contrarie being through their wilfull relinquishing of all naturall iudgement and vnderstanding herein worthily comprehended within the admonition or reprehension of the regall Prophet (q) Psal 31. Nolite fieri sicut Equus aut Mulus quibus non est intellectus FINIS