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their_o word_n do_v not_o destroy_v themselves_o as_o they_o do_v in_o the_o former_a yet_o fond_o shall_v they_o as_o they_o use_v to_o do_v assign_v the_o truth_n of_o doctrine_n for_o the_o mark_n of_o the_o true_a church_n in_o doctrine_n for_o this_o be_v to_o assign_v a_o thing_n for_o a_o mark_n of_o itself_o as_o if_o to_o know_v a_o true_a man_n of_o his_o word_n one_o shall_v give_v this_o mark_n that_o it_o be_v such_o as_o speak_v truth_n beside_o this_o be_v rather_o to_o define_v what_o be_v a_o true_a man_n then_o to_o give_v the_o mark_n to_o know_v who_o be_v a_o true_a man_n and_o yet_o mark_n be_v give_v to_o know_v which_o be_v the_o true_a church_n not_o what_o be_v the_o nature_n of_o the_o true_a church_n 5._o if_o yet_o any_o reply_n that_o the_o visible_a church_n or_o
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augustin_n word_n o_o error_n o_o dotage_n and_o with_o s._n athanase_n a_o worthy_a heresy_n which_o want_v probable_a reason_n to_o under_o prop_v it_o for_o this_o argument_n on_o which_o all_o their_o belief_n that_o their_o church_n be_v before_o luther_n do_v rely_v be_v a_o most_o fond_a sophism_n and_o most_o counterfeit_a syllogism_n as_o manifest_o appear_v whether_o it_o be_v frame_v in_o that_o form_n wherein_o d._n whitaker_n have_v propose_v it_o or_o whether_o it_o be_v reduce_v to_o this_o form_n that_o church_n which_o hold_v the_o true_a doctrine_n of_o christ_n have_v always_o be_v and_o consequent_o before_o luther_n the_o protestant_a church_n hold_v the_o true_a doctrine_n hold_v the_o true_a doctrine_n of_o christ_n as_o say_v they_o we_o will_v prove_v by_o scripture_n therefore_o it_o have_v be_v always_o 3._o i_o answer_v that_o this_o argument_n be_v a_o manifest_a sophime_n for_o many_o cause_n for_o if_o the_o mayor_n be_v particular_a so_o that_o the_o sense_n thereof_o be_v some_o church_n which_o hold_v the_o true_a doctrine_n of_o christ_n have_v always_o be_v it_o be_v true_a because_o the_o catholic_a church_n which_o hold_v christ_n true_a doctrine_n have_v always_o be_v but_o then_o the_o syllogism_n be_v sophism_n for_o want_n of_o due_a form_n infer_v a_o conclusion_n out_o of_o particular_a proposition_n but_o if_o the_o mayor_n be_v universal_a according_a as_o it_o be_v make_v of_o d._n whitaker_n then_o so_o far_o be_v it_o from_o be_v out_o of_o controversy_n as_o he_o affirm_v that_o it_o be_v manifest_o false_a and_o no_o way_n true_a but_o only_o apparent_a and_o therefore_o unfit_a to_o make_v a_o true_a syllogism_n but_o only_o a_o counterfeit_a and_o a_o sophism_n falsity_n protestant_n assume_v a_o manifest_a falsity_n that_o it_o be_v manifest_o false_a be_v evident_a because_o that_o church_n or_o company_n of_o christian_n which_o be_v strict_o and_o proper_o term_v schismatical_a hold_v the_o true_a doctrine_n of_o christ_n as_o both_o the_o father_n teach_v and_o the_o protestant_n themselves_o do_v also_o most_o plain_o affirm_v &_o yet_o it_o be_v not_o the_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n wherefore_o sith_o as_o the_o philosopher_n teach_v those_o thing_n be_v probable_a which_o seem_v true_a to_o all_o or_o to_o most_o or_o to_o wise_a man_n and_o those_o either_o all_o or_o most_o or_o most_o approve_a and_o such_o as_o be_v not_o probable_a serve_v only_o to_o make_v sophism_n the_o foresay_a mayor_n not_o seem_v true_a to_o all_o or_o most_o or_o the_o wise_a christian_n yea_o not_o even_o to_o the_o protestant_n themselves_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o it_o be_v no_o probable_a proposition_n but_o only_o apparent_a and_o therefore_o not_o fit_a to_o make_v a_o true_a syllogism_n but_o only_o a_o apparent_a and_o counterfeit_a 4._o that_o the_o father_n teach_v that_o a_o schismatical_a church_n hold_v the_o true_a doctrine_n of_o christ_n be_v manifest_a by_o s._n augustine_n who_o lib._n quest_n euang._n pag._n 28._o tom_n 4._o say_v it_o use_v to_o be_v inquire_v wherein_o schismatickes_n differ_v from_o heretâ—kes_n doctrine_n that_o schismatic_n hold_v true_a doctrine_n and_o this_o find_v that_o no_o difference_n in_o faytht_fw-mi but_o breach_n of_o society_n in_o communion_n make_v schismatic_n and_o lib._n de_fw-la fide_fw-la &_o symbolo_fw-la cap._n 10_o heretic_n by_o believe_a wrong_n of_o god_n violate_v the_o faith_n but_o schismatickes_n by_o wicked_a division_n leap_v from_o fraternal_a charity_n albeit_o they_o believe_v aright_o those_o thing_n which_o we_o believe_v and_o lib._n cont_n gaud._n cap._n 9_o refute_v he_o because_o he_o have_v say_v that_o schismatic_n and_o heretic_n be_v the_o same_o against_o which_o he_o say_v thou_o be_v a_o schismatic_n by_o sacrilegious_a division_n and_o a_o heretic_n by_o sacrilegious_a opinion_n and_o lib._n 1._o cont_n cresc_n cap._n 29._o and_o the_o gest_n be_v cum_fw-la emerito_fw-la affirm_v that_o the_o same_o faith_n be_v have_v out_o of_o the_o church_n s._n hierome_n in_o tit._n 3._o we_o judge_v this_o difference_n to_o be_v between_o heresy_n and_o schism_n that_o heresy_n hold_v a_o naughty_a opinion_n schism_n separate_v from_o the_o church_n by_o dissension_n of_o bishop_n s._n gregory_n lib._n 18._o moral_a cap._n 14._o some_o do_v believe_v false_a thing_n of_o god_n other_o by_o god_n help_n believe_v right_o of_o god_n but_o keep_v not_o unity_n with_o their_o brethren_n these_o be_v divide_v by_o schism_n s._n isidor_n lib._n 8._o origin_n cap_n 3._o schism_n take_v its_o name_n of_o breach_n for_o it_o believe_v the_o same_o religion_n and_o rite_n that_o other_o do_v only_o be_v please_v to_o keep_v company_n a_o part_n the_o same_o teach_v s._n ireneus_fw-la lib._n 4._o cap._n 62._o s._n chrysost_o hom_n 3._o in_o 1._o cor._n s._n optat._n lib._n 1._o 4._o &_o 5._o cont_n parmen_fw-la and_o other_o and_o it_o be_v manifest_a by_o reason_n for_o if_o schismatic_n do_v err_v also_o in_o faith_n they_o shall_v not_o differ_v from_o heretic_n and_o it_o be_v grant_v both_o of_o old_a and_o new_a heretic_n for_o thus_o say_v faustus_n in_o s._n augustine_n lib._n 20._o cont_n faustum_n cap._n 3._o schism_n if_o i_o be_v not_o deceive_v be_v to_o believe_v the_o same_o &_o to_o worship_n god_n in_o the_o same_o manner_n that_o other_o do_v only_o to_o be_v delight_v with_o division_n of_o assembly_n caluin_n 4._o institut_fw-la cap._n 2._o §_o 5._o austin_n put_v this_o difference_n betwixt_o heretic_n and_o schismatik_n that_o they_o corrupt_v the_o sincerity_n of_o the_o faith_n with_o false_a doctrine_n these_o sometime_o even_o have_v the_o like_a say_v break_v asunder_o the_o band_n of_o society_n and_o in_o 1._o cor._n cap._n 11._o vers_fw-la 19_o it_o be_v know_v in_o what_o sense_n the_o ancient_a use_v both_o these_o nams_n schism_n heresy_n they_o put_v heresy_n in_o difference_n of_o doctrine_n but_o schism_n rather_o in_o alienation_n of_o mind_n to_o wit_n when_o any_o either_o upon_o envy_n or_o hatred_n of_o the_o pastor_n or_o of_o frowardness_n depart_v from_o the_o church_n beza_n libro_fw-la de_fw-la puniendis_fw-la haereticis_fw-la pag._n 89_o shism_n proper_o be_v the_o division_n of_o those_o who_o believe_v the_o same_o thing_n and_o pag._n 150._o let_v they_o remember_v that_o we_o term_v they_o not_o heretic_n who_o be_v proper_o call_v schismatic_n the_o same_o he_o have_v in_o 1._o cor._n 1._o v._n 10._o and_o other_o where_o plessie_a lib._n de_fw-fr eccles_n cap._n 1._o pag._n 16_o we_o call_v erroneous_a church_n either_o heretic_n or_o schismatics_n according_o as_o they_o err_v either_o in_o faith_n or_o in_o charity_n and_o pag._n 32._o what_o pertain_v to_o schismatical_a church_n either_o they_o be_v simple_o schismatical_a or_o when_o heresy_n also_o be_v adjoin_v as_o it_o use_v after_o schism_n as_o a_o ague_n after_o a_o wound_n and_o cap._n 10._o pag._n 340._o true_a and_o pure_a schismatik_n be_v those_o who_o hold_v the_o same_o doctrine_n yet_o make_v meeting_n a_o part_n peter_n martyr_n in_o locis_fw-la tit_n de_fw-fr schism_n pag._n 618._o i_o think_v it_o more_o plain_a to_o define_v schism_n to_o be_v a_o cut_v a_o sunder_o of_o the_o ecclesiastical_a peace_n &_o unity_n and_o pag._n 619_o there_o may_v be_v schism_n in_o the_o church_n without_o heresy_n aretius_n also_o in_o locis_fw-la part_n 2._o fol._n 10_o schism_n sometime_o in_o the_o same_o doctrine_n break_v society_n bucan_n in_o loc_n quest_n 33._o de_fw-fr eccl._n affirm_v that_o shismatik_n differ_v from_o heretic_n because_o heresy_n proper_o be_v dissension_n in_o doctrine_n polâ—n_n part_n 2._o thes_n de_fw-fr notis_fw-la eccl._n albeit_o schismatical_a church_n agree_v in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o truth_n etc._n etc._n zanchius_n tract_n de_fw-fr eccles_n cap._n there_o may_v be_v breach_n in_o the_o symbol_n of_o charity_n that_o be_v in_o
neither_o do_v any_o man_n feel_v or_o perceive_v himself_o to_o have_v be_v a_o member_n of_o such_o a_o church_n before_o that_o time_n wherefore_o as_o he_o shall_v manifest_o play_v the_o sophister_n who_o will_v go_v about_o to_o prove_v by_o scripture_n that_o the_o sun_n appear_v at_o midnight_n so_o likewise_o do_v he_o who_o out_o of_o scripture_n endevore_v to_o prove_v that_o there_o be_v a_o protestant_n church_n before_o luther_n because_o all_o man_n sense_n convince_v the_o one_o as_o well_o as_o the_o other_o beside_o protestant_n write_v that_o though_o faith_n command_v we_o to_o believe_v thing_n which_o we_o see_v not_o yet_o it_o do_v not_o command_v we_o not_o to_o believe_v that_o which_o we_o see_v for_o otherwise_o faith_n shall_v be_v contrary_a to_o sense_n and_o none_o shall_v become_v faithful_a but_o he_o shall_v first_o be_v senseless_a but_o sure_o wonderful_a be_v the_o blindness_n or_o wilfulness_n of_o sacramentary_n who_o in_o the_o matter_n of_o 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12._o what_o as_o tertullian_n say_v mean_v they_o otherwise_o then_o they_o write_v master_n of_o deceit_n not_o of_o truth_n 10._o if_o any_o demand_n how_o it_o come_v to_o pass_v that_o protestant_n shall_v so_o often_o and_o so_o plain_o say_v that_o their_o church_n and_o religion_n be_v perish_v before_o luther_n appear_v perish_v wherefore_o protestant_n say_v their_o church_n be_v perish_v i_o answer_v that_o there_o be_v many_o cause_n thereof_o first_o because_o it_o be_v so_o evident_a that_o their_o church_n and_o religion_n be_v not_o at_o all_o when_o luther_n begin_v that_o as_o themselves_o have_v confess_v they_o can_v deny_v it_o it_o can_v be_v deny_v if_o any_o deny_v it_o he_o may_v be_v convince_v all_o man_n must_v confess_v it_o the_o matter_n itself_o proclaim_v and_o prove_v it_o 1.4.5.7_o num._n 1.4.5.7_o and_o final_o that_o it_o be_v manifest_a both_o to_o learned_a and_o unlearned_a second_o they_o say_v so_o for_o to_o move_v man_n to_o hate_v the_o 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prove_v that_o they_o like_v liar_n have_v contradict_v themselves_o not_o that_o they_o have_v not_o say_v this_o which_o they_o have_v as_o clear_o say_v as_o ever_o they_o say_v any_o thing_n else_o beside_o in_o say_v according_a to_o their_o meaning_n that_o the_o church_n have_v not_o perish_v or_o can_v perish_v they_o do_v not_o indeed_o contradict_v themselves_o when_o they_o say_v that_o it_o have_v or_o can_v perish_v for_o when_o they_o say_v that_o the_o church_n can_v perish_v by_o the_o name_n of_o the_o church_n they_o understand_v not_o the_o catholic_a church_n that_o be_v the_o church_n spread_v throughout_o the_o world_n â—_o cap._n 1._o n._n â—_o for_o as_o we_o see_v they_o teach_v that_o the_o church_n may_v consist_v or_o be_v reduce_v to_o one_o or_o two_o and_o that_o elias_n think_v there_o be_v none_o of_o the_o church_n but_o himself_o whereupon_o d._n whitaker_n cont._n 2._o quest_n 3._o pag._n
that_o be_v to_o be_v iustify_v by_o good_a work_n for_o thus_o say_v luther_n of_o they_o in_o his_o table-talkes_a chap._n of_o suermer_n the_o waldense_n be_v holy_a workman_n and_o believe_v not_o that_o say_v without_o work_n do_v justify_v and_o know_v nothing_o at_o all_o of_o imputative_a justice_n 8._o cocciuâ—_n 10.1_o lib._n 8._o and_o bennet_n morgenstern_n in_o his_o treatise_n of_o the_o church_n p._n 1â—4_n speak_v thus_o unto_o they_o you_o confirm_v the_o doctrine_n of_o antichrist_n touch_v good_a work_n justification_n etc._n etc._n and_o themselves_o in_o their_o apology_n print_v at_o hanow_n together_o with_o the_o history_n of_o bohemia_n pag._n 256._o plain_o show_v that_o they_o believe_v a_o man_n to_o be_v justify_v by_o faith_n charity_n hope_v penance_n and_o work_n of_o mercy_n and_o do_v say_v that_o devout_a prayer_n do_v purge_v and_o penance_n cleanse_v a_o man_n 4._o three_o the_o waldense_n be_v condemn_v of_o protestant_n both_o lutheran_n and_o sacramentary_n melancthon_n in_o his_o counsel_n part_v 2._o pag._n 152._o write_v 418._o see_v refut_n orthod_n consensus_fw-la pag._n 418._o i_o rejoice_v that_o you_o agree_v with_o we_o in_o the_o sum_n of_o doctrine_n i_o know_v the_o waldense_n be_v unlike_a and_o in_o carrion_n chronicle_n print_v at_o paris_n 1357._o he_o say_v that_o they_o sow_v error_n deny_v all_o oath_n and_o all_o form_n of_o prayer_n beside_o the_o lord_n prayer_n morgenstern_n in_o his_o forname_v book_n pag._n 79._o give_v this_o verdict_n of_o they_o they_o have_v proud_o neglect_v the_o light_n of_o doctrine_n which_o be_v kindle_v from_o heaven_n in_o this_o age_n &_o have_v with_o tooth_n and_o naâ—le_n by_o write_v among_o their_o own_o man_n secret_o defend_v those_o most_o gross_a erro_n which_o in_o the_o year_n 1523._o be_v discover_v by_o luther_n beside_o selnecer_n as_o he_o report_v affirm_v that_o they_o have_v gross_a error_n and_o such_o as_o be_v not_o to_o be_v bear_v withal_o leonicus_n antisturmius_n also_o in_o danaeus_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o his_o sonde_n pag._n 1516._o pronounce_v they_o to_o be_v impious_a and_o schusselburg_n in_o his_o 3._o tâ—me_n of_o the_o catalogue_n of_o heretic_n pag_n 188._o reject_v they_o as_o heretic_n camerarius_fw-la in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o church_n in_o bohemia_n poland_n etc._n etc._n pag._n 273._o write_v thus_o we_o can_v say_v that_o the_o waldense_n be_v never_o one_o with_o our_o church_n nor_o our_o man_n will_v ever_o join_v themselves_o to_o they_o whereof_o he_o give_v these_o two_o reason_n because_o the_o waldense_n will_v not_o have_v extant_a any_o public_a declaration_n of_o their_o faith_n and_o for_o peace_n sake_n do_v use_v the_o popish_a mass_n for_o these_o two_o cause_n say_v he_o our_o man_n do_v not_o join_v themselves_o to_o they_o neither_o do_v they_o think_v that_o they_o can_v so_o do_v with_o good_a conscience_n caluin_n also_o epist_n 278._o thus_o write_v to_o the_o waldense_n themselves_o we_o abide_v in_o one_o opinion_n that_o the_o form_n of_o your_o confession_n can_v be_v absolute_o admit_v without_o danger_n and_o m._n jewel_n also_o in_o defence_n of_o the_o apology_n part_n pag._n 48._o say_v plain_o of_o the_o albigense_n they_o be_v none_o of_o we_o d._n humphrey_n to_o the_o three_o reason_n of_o f._n campian_n pag._n 371_o they_o be_v not_o whole_o we_o and_o osiander_n in_o his_o 13._o century_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 4._o pantaleon_n in_o his_o chronicle_n pag._n 98._o &_o melancthon_n in_o the_o foresay_a chronicle_n of_o carrion_n reckon_v they_o among_o heretic_n but_o the_o albigense_n be_v all_o one_o for_o religion_n with_o the_o waldense_n as_o d._n fulke_n say_v in_o these_o word_n lib._n the_o success_n pag._n 332_o that_o epistle_n of_o the_o archbishop_n do_v prove_v that_o the_o albigense_n &_o waldense_n be_v all_o one_o the_o same_o also_o confess_v illyricus_n in_o his_o catalogue_n in_o 4._o to_o pag_n 536._o where_o also_o pag._n 561._o he_o speak_v in_o this_o sort_n the_o waldense_n or_o albigense_n yea_o the_o waldense_n themselves_o in_o the_o bohemian_a confession_n if_o it_o be_v they_o do_v insinuate_v that_o they_o be_v condemn_v of_o the_o sacramentary_n whereas_o they_o say_v in_o the_o 13._o article_n that_o they_o who_o deny_v the_o supper_n of_o the_o lord_n to_o be_v the_o true_a flesh_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n do_v call_v they_o idolater_n antichrist_n and_o man_n brand_v with_o the_o mark_n of_o the_o beast_n beside_o illyricus_n in_o his_o forecited_a catalogue_n write_v that_o the_o thaborites_n who_o indeed_o say_v he_o follow_v the_o opinion_n of_o the_o waldense_n be_v grievous_o vex_v and_o persecute_v of_o rokesana_n and_o other_o hussite_n wherefore_o sith_o protestant_n common_o challenge_v the_o hussite_n for_o their_o brethren_n they_o ought_v not_o to_o claim_v also_o the_o waldenles_a who_o doctrine_n the_o hussite_n do_v persecute_v certain_o the_o confession_n of_o bohemia_n which_o be_v say_v to_o be_v they_o do_v plain_o distinguish_v they_o from_o protestant_n especial_o from_o sacramentary_n for_o art_n 2._o they_o say_v we_o must_v keep_v the_o commandment_n in_o hart_n &_o deed_n art_n 5._o that_o those_o which_o repent_v must_v confess_v their_o sin_n to_o a_o priest_n and_o ask_v absolution_n of_o he_o art_n 9_o that_o priest_n ought_v to_o be_v single_a art_n 11._o that_o sacrament_n be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n and_o be_v 13._o that_o the_o eucharist_n be_v the_o true_a body_n of_o christ_n as_o say_v they_o christ_n plain_o say_v this_o be_v my_o body_n of_o which_o word_n we_o ought_v to_o believe_v the_o plain_a sense_n not_o declime_v to_o the_o right_n or_o left_a whereupon_o it_o be_v no_o marvel_n that_o caluin_n in_o his_o 249._o epistle_n deni_v it_o to_o be_v lawful_a for_o a_o christian_a man_n to_o embrace_v the_o waldense_n confession_n in_o these_o word_n consider_v you_o whether_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o a_o christian_a man_n to_o embrace_v the_o form_n of_o the_o confession_n of_o the_o waldense_n who_o without_o any_o distinction_n bound_v up_o all_o in_o one_o bundle_n of_o damnation_n who_o precise_o confess_v not_o the_o bread_n to_o be_v present_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n sure_o we_o think_v not_o 5._o four_o i_o prove_v the_o same_o because_o the_o waldense_n hold_v many_o error_n which_o the_o protestant_n condemn_v illyricus_n in_o his_o foresay_a catalogue_n pag._n 545._o relate_v out_o of_o a_o ancient_a writer_n above_o 300._o year_n ago_o that_o they_o teach_v that_o a_o priest_n be_v in_o mortal_a sin_n can_v not_o consecrate_v the_o eucharist_n that_o every_o oath_n be_v a_o mortal_a sin_n that_o they_o disallow_v matrimony_n and_o likewise_o out_o of_o aeneas_n silvius_n that_o they_o say_v it_o be_v lawful_a for_o every_o one_o to_o preach_v &_o that_o he_o who_o be_v guilty_a of_o mortal_a sin_n be_v not_o not_o capable_a of_o any_o secular_a or_o ecclesiastical_a dignity_n neither_o 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that_o after_o luther_n be_v know_v the_o waldense_n do_v greedy_o purchase_v great_a knowledge_n morgenstern_n in_o his_o foresay_a book_n pag._n 79._o say_v that_o they_o borrow_v the_o best_a part_n of_o their_o doctrine_n from_o the_o lutheran_n and_o d._n fulke_o in_o his_o book_n of_o succession_n pag._n 360._o that_o they_o learn_v of_o those_o of_o basle_n to_o amend_v certain_a error_n which_o they_o have_v receive_v from_o their_o ancestor_n why_o then_o shall_v we_o not_o think_v they_o receive_v the_o doctrine_n of_o justification_n by_o only_a faith_n from_o luther_n especial_o sith_o as_o i_o before_o say_v there_o be_v no_o mention_n of_o it_o among_o they_o in_o former_a time_n again_o jurgenicius_n in_o the_o 2._o chap._n of_o his_o war_n of_o the_o 5._o gospel_n affirm_v that_o the_o author_n of_o the_o bohemian_a confession_n do_v profess_v in_o the_o begin_n thereof_o that_o they_o will_v never_o conjoin_v themselves_o to_o
sophis_fw-la pag._n 596._o ad_fw-la thes_n posnon_n 18._o very_o small_a slender_a relic_n few_o remnant_n and_o scarce_o a_o few_o relic_n so_o small_a relic_n one_o or_o two_o person_n touch_v the_o place_n wherein_o she_o be_v that_o be_v lurk_v hole_n or_o rather_o none_o at_o all_o for_o so_o say_v d._n whitaker_n cont._n 2._o quest_n 3._o cap._n 2._o pag._n 468_o the_o holy_a and_o pious_a man_n be_v together_o with_o their_o pastor_n disperse_v into_o this_o or_o that_o place_n without_o any_o certain_a abode_n or_o succession_n and_o quest_n 5._o cap._n 4._o pag._n 503_o our_o man_n be_v in_o time_n past_o scatter_a here_o and_o there_o touch_v the_o state_n of_o their_o church_n that_o be_v 2._o be_v â—up_n c._n 2._o quite_o fall_v down_o munch_v the_o face_n or_o show_v thereof_o that_o be_v rather_o of_o babylon_n then_o of_o the_o church_n as_o for_o the_o condition_n it_o be_v afflict_v of_o antichrist_n with_o savage_a domination_n be_v miserable_o bring_v to_o naught_o and_o all_o her_o affair_n most_o desperate_a for_o profession_n of_o faith_n she_o make_v none_o at_o all_o for_o external_a rite_n and_o worship_n she_o be_v compel_v to_o keep_v very_o babylonicall_a heathenish_a idolatricall_a and_o antichristian_a rite_n for_o piety_n that_o be_v all_o drive_v out_o touch_v faith_n that_o be_v quite_o extinct_a as_o for_o her_o conservation_n that_o be_v by_o marvellous_a and_o miraculous_a mean_n &_o by_o mere_a miracle_n and_o last_o for_o the_o testimony_n whereby_o either_o her_o be_v be_v any_o of_o these_o point_n be_v prove_v they_o be_v pure_a pythagorical_a that_o be_v their_o own_o word_n which_o be_v as_o themselves_o say_v argument_n of_o fool_n or_o rather_o lie_v for_o who_o so_o speak_v of_o himself_o speak_v lie_n 6._o my_o eight_o reason_n be_v because_o protestant_n shall_v have_v say_v that_o their_o church_n have_v be_v in_o any_o company_n rather_o than_o in_o popery_n for_o luther_n lib._n count_n regem_fw-la angliae_fw-la tom_n 2._o fol._n 334._o write_v that_o popery_n be_v the_o most_o pestilent_a abomination_n of_o satan_n which_o have_v be_v or_o hereafter_o shall_v be_v under_o heaven_n and_o in_o cap._n 25._o genes_n tom_fw-mi 6._o fol._n 342_o popery_n be_v a_o congregation_n of_o devil_n and_o of_o most_o wicked_a man_n and_o lib._n cont_n papatum_fw-la tom_n 7._o fol._n 479._o say_v it_o be_v the_o last_o mischief_n of_o the_o world_n and_o to_o which_o all_o the_o devil_n with_o all_o their_o cunning_a &_o power_n can_v bring_v a_o great_a 101._o caluin_n ad_fw-la vsâ—_n sipel_v pag._n 360._o whitak_n count_v 2._o q_o 6_o c._n 1._o ochin_n diâ—l_n 25._o horn_n of_o the_o suâ—r_n p._n 101._o other_o say_v that_o popery_n be_v the_o body_n of_o satan_n and_o antichrist_n the_o dungeon_n of_o error_n &_o heresy_n that_o it_o be_v worse_o they_o any_o sect_n of_o heretic_n yea_o then_o paganism_n or_o turkism_n and_o almost_o all_o of_o they_o cry_v that_o it_o be_v the_o synagogue_n of_o satan_n and_o antichrist_n moreover_o luther_n in_o act_v exustionis_fw-la decretalium_fw-la tom_n 2._o fol._n 123._o pronounce_v that_o it_o be_v safe_a live_v in_o the_o wilderness_n to_o see_v no_o man_n then_o to_o converse_v in_o the_o popish_a kingdom_n and_o in_o cap._n 2._o galat._n tom_n 5._o fol._n 327_o whosoever_o be_v earnest_o affect_v towards_o godliness_n let_v he_o tremble_v at_o the_o name_n of_o popery_n and_o protestant_n common_o gather_v out_o of_o that_o say_n of_o the_o apocalips_n go_v out_o my_o people_n that_o it_o be_v the_o commandment_n of_o god_n that_o all_o pious_a man_n shall_v go_v out_o of_o popery_n if_o then_o popery_n be_v the_o synagogue_n of_o satan_n and_o antichrist_n &_o worse_o than_o any_o heretical_a turkish_a or_o heathenish_a company_n or_o any_o other_o who_o all_o the_o devil_n which_o all_o their_o cunning_n can_v raise_v if_o all_o pious_a man_n ought_v to_o tremble_v at_o the_o hear_n of_o the_o name_n thereof_o and_o rather_o live_v in_o a_o desert_n then_o therein_o if_o final_o it_o be_v the_o commandment_n of_o god_n that_o all_o godly_a man_n shall_v go_v forth_o of_o popery_n how_o come_v it_o to_o pass_v that_o in_o former_a time_n the_o godly_a forsooth_o protestant_n live_v in_o popery_n and_o in_o popery_n alone_o &_o that_o for_o so_o many_o age_n will_v godly_a man_n abide_v in_o that_o company_n and_o only_o in_o that_o company_n and_o so_o long_a time_n which_o be_v the_o worst_a that_o can_v be_v before_o which_o they_o shall_v have_v prefer_v the_o wilderness_n have_v shake_v at_o the_o name_n thereof_o &_o be_v command_v to_o come_v out_o from_o thence_o by_o god_n express_a commandment_n sure_o the_o protestant_n must_v not_o only_o have_v be_v child_n and_o simple_a but_o also_o impious_a and_o ungodly_a what_o i_o can_v not_o or_o will_v not_o the_o spouse_n of_o christ_n lurk_v for_o so_o many_o age_n but_o in_o the_o stew_n of_o the_o devil_n can_v christ_n be_v no_o where_o but_o with_o antichrist_n will_v only_a antichrist_n for_o so_o many_o age_n afford_v christ_n and_o his_o church_n a_o harbour_n or_o lurk_a place_n 16._o l._n 1._o de_fw-fr mor._n manich._n c._n 16._o o_o strait_n say_v s._n austin_n o_o incredible_a absurdity_n for_o what_o great_a strait_n what_o more_o incredible_a absurdity_n can_v there_o be_v they_o to_o thrust_v christ_n and_o his_o church_n into_o the_o devil_n stew_n and_o that_o for_o many_o age_n together_o â—â—_o 4._o instit_fw-la c._n 16._o §._o â—â—_o but_o as_o caluin_n himself_o say_v there_o be_v no_o marvel_n if_o these_o reprobate_a spirit_n as_o if_o they_o be_v frantic_a do_v thrust_v in_o most_o gross_a absurdity_n for_o to_o defend_v their_o error_n for_o god_n just_o punish_v their_o pride_n and_o obstinacy_n which_o such_o giddiness_n 7._o nine_o i_o argue_v and_o ask_v what_o be_v the_o meaning_n of_o the_o foresay_a riddle_n the_o church_n be_v in_o popery_n but_o popery_n be_v not_o the_o church_n first_o i_o suppose_v that_o by_o popery_n here_o they_o mean_v not_o as_o do_v boysseul_n popish_a doctrine_n as_o if_o the_o sense_n be_v that_o the_o protestant_a church_n consist_v of_o popish_a doctrine_n as_o we_o say_v that_o the_o popish_a church_n consist_v to_o wit_n formal_o of_o popish_a doctrine_n the_o jewish_a church_n of_o judaisme_n &_o the_o turkish_a of_o turkism_n because_o this_o sense_n be_v too_o far_o from_o the_o question_n which_o demand_v the_o place_n and_o not_o the_o form_n or_o doctrine_n of_o the_o protestant_a church_n in_o former_a time_n beside_o it_o be_v too_o too_o absurd_a to_o say_v that_o the_o protestant_a church_n consist_v in_o the_o contrary_a doctrine_n which_o he_o condemn_v suppose_v therefore_o that_o hereby_o popery_n they_o understand_v the_o company_n of_o papist_n their_o meaning_n can_v be_v that_o their_o church_n be_v in_o the_o company_n of_o papist_n as_o in_o a_o multitude_n of_o man_n among_o who_o they_o live_v only_o but_o do_v no_o way_n participate_v of_o their_o doctrine_n or_o worship_n both_o because_o in_o this_o manner_n it_o have_v be_v know_v to_o papist_n which_o notwithstanding_o they_o deny_v as_o before_o we_o show_v and_o anon_o shall_v be_v prove_v to_o be_v false_a as_o also_o because_o in_o this_o sort_n their_o church_n may_v be_v say_v to_o be_v in_o judaisme_n turkism_n &_o the_o like_a if_o they_o live_v among_o jew_n or_o turck_n which_o be_v so_o absurd_a as_o protestant_n deny_v their_o meaning_n to_o be_v such_o for_o thus_o beza_n epist_n 10._o quest_n 4_o the_o church_n be_v in_o popery_n which_o can_v no_o way_n be_v say_v of_o the_o turk_n and_o m._n perkins_n lib._n cit_fw-la after_o he_o say_v that_o the_o church_n be_v long_a time_n in_o popery_n add_v which_o can_v be_v likewise_o say_v of_o turk_n and_o other_o infidel_n that_o the_o church_n be_v conserve_v or_o that_o yet_o any_o hide_a church_n be_v conserve_v among_o they_o neither_o can_v their_o meaning_n be_v that_o the_o protestant_a church_n be_v in_o time_n pass_v in_o popery_n as_o a_o part_n in_o the_o whole_a to_o wit_n because_o it_o consist_v of_o some_o that_o believe_v both_o protestancy_n and_o popery_n or_o if_o they_o do_v not_o believe_v popery_n yet_o they_o profess_v it_o because_o after_o this_o manner_n popery_n shall_v no_o less_o have_v be_v the_o church_n the_o church_n shall_v have_v be_v in_o popery_n for_o as_o the_o church_n shall_v have_v be_v in_o popery_n because_o it_o consist_v of_o such_o a_o part_n of_o popery_n so_o popery_n shall_v have_v be_v the_o church_n because_o such_o a_o part_n of_o popery_n have_v be_v the_o church_n beside_o it_o impli_v contradiction_n that_o one_o shall_v believe_v both_o popery_n and_o protestancy_n which_o as_o protestant_n say_v be_v right_o opposite_a in_o many_o fundamental_a point_n if_o
of_o christ_n for_o thus_o he_o write_v popery_n as_o judaisme_n heretofore_o signify_v that_o company_n which_o at_o least_o in_o her_o time_n have_v the_o true_a church_n with_o it_o such_o be_v the_o jew_n before_o the_o come_n of_o christ_n and_o the_o papist_n before_o the_o come_n of_o luther_n his_o meaning_n as_o i_o suppose_v be_v that_o as_o the_o christian_a church_n be_v in_o state_n another_o church_n from_o the_o synagogue_n because_o it_o have_v other_o sacrament_n other_o sacrifice_n and_o more_o point_n of_o faith_n and_o christ_n another_o founder_n of_o the_o church_n distinct_a from_o moses_n so_o the_o protestant_a church_n be_v a_o distinct_a church_n from_o the_o ancient_a christian_a church_n and_o luther_n not_o only_o another_o elias_n as_o they_o call_v he_o but_o also_o another_o messiah_n a_o founder_n and_o beginner_n of_o another_o church_n distinct_a from_o that_o of_o christ_n at_o least_o as_o far_o as_o his_o church_n differ_v from_o the_o synagogue_n behold_v christian_n reader_n whereto_o all_o their_o wind_a turn_v and_o double_v about_o the_o be_v of_o their_o church_n in_o popery_n be_v come_v sure_o as_o s._n augustin_n say_v 12._o l_o 20._o cont_n faust_n c._n 12._o against_o the_o manichee_n their_o imagination_n have_v lose_v all_o way_n for_o they_o be_v nothing_o bâ—â—_n the_o vision_n of_o frantic_a man_n for_o their_o remain_v no_o probable_a way_n to_o defend_v that_o their_o church_n be_v heretofore_o in_o popery_n it_o be_v mere_a frenzy_n to_o think_v that_o it_o waâ—_n in_o popery_n virtual_o and_o implicit_o like_v as_o a_o plant_n iâ—_n in_o the_o seed_n or_o a_o man_n in_o a_o child_n at_o the_o christiaâ—_n church_n once_o be_v in_o the_o synagogue_n or_o that_o it_o waâ—_n open_o distinct_a in_o communion_n and_o profession_n froâ—_n papist_n or_o that_o it_o consist_v of_o such_o which_o either_o iâ—_n hart_n or_o at_o least_o in_o profession_n be_v papist_n or_o final_o that_o the_o church_n of_o god_n such_o as_o they_o will_v haâ—â—_n the_o protestant_n to_o be_v be_v for_o many_o age_n in_o a_o different_a yea_o a_o most_o opposite_a church_n where_o neither_o by_o divine_a nor_o humane_a testimony_n it_o can_v be_v prove_v to_o have_v be_v neither_o can_v there_o any_o way_n be_v imagine_v by_o which_o it_o may_v with_o any_o appearance_n or_o probability_n be_v say_v to_o have_v be_v there_o thus_o say_v s._n augustine_n do_v they_o dote_v ul_a lib._n 20._o count_n faust_n c._n ul_a who_o not_o abide_v true_a doctrine_n turn_v to_o fable_n 12_o and_o out_o of_o these_o wherewith_o we_o have_v show_v that_o the_o protestant_a church_n heretofore_o be_v not_o in_o popery_n be_v refute_v also_o zanchius_n praefat._n lib._n de_fw-fr natura_fw-la dei_fw-la where_o he_o say_v that_o their_o brethren_n in_o time_n past_o live_v in_o some_o obscure_a valley_n and_o mountain_n and_o meet_v at_o night_n and_o d._n fulke_o lib._n the_o success_n pag._n 324._o saying_n that_o in_o europe_n the_o church_n be_v by_o antichrist_n thrust_v into_o obscure_a place_n but_o lest_o they_o shall_v be_v trip_v in_o their_o lie_v they_o name_v neither_o those_o mountain_n nor_o valley_n nor_o place_n nor_o their_o night-owle-brethren_n nor_o final_o prove_v any_o thing_n 9_o l._n 14._o cont_n faust_n c._n 9_o but_o as_o s._n augustin_n say_v of_o faustus_n they_o say_v it_o &_o away_o they_o never_o seek_v to_o prove_v it_o or_o as_o christ_n say_v of_o the_o adversary_n man_n they_o sow_v cockle_n and_o depart_v it_o suffice_v for_o these_o new_a pythagorian_o to_o pour_v out_o lie_v like_o oracle_n for_o they_o assure_v themselves_o that_o with_o reckless_a man_n they_o will_v find_v credit_n of_o themselves_o &_o like_a weed_n grow_v without_o till_v hence_o also_o be_v refute_v the_o same_o fulke_n in_o cap._n 10._o apocal._n where_o he_o affirm_v his_o brethren_n heretofore_o have_v live_v in_o the_o alps_n in_o the_o apennine_a mountain_n and_o in_o the_o hereinian_a forest_n he_o may_v better_o have_v say_v they_o live_v in_o the_o wilderness_n of_o utopia_n for_o he_o prove_v nothing_o 26_o l._n 16._o cont_n faust_n c._n 26_o o_o man_n that_o i_o may_v cry_v out_o which_o s._n augustine_n thinck_v only_o of_o his_o own_o talk_n and_o not_o think_v of_o any_o gainesayer_n again_o do_v thou_o not_o know_v 54._o lib._n 4._o cont_n cres_n c._n 54._o or_o do_v thou_o not_o feel_v with_o the_o heart_n of_o what_o man_n soever_o that_o in_o dispute_v where_o truth_n be_v seek_v where_o proof_n follow_v not_o the_o talk_n be_v vain_a and_o foolish_a wherefore_o now_o let_v we_o hear_v their_o argument_n or_o rather_o sophism_n wherewith_o sometime_o they_o endeavour_v to_o prove_v that_o their_o church_n be_v in_o time_n pass_v in_o popery_n the_o sophism_n wherewith_o some_o protestant_a make_v show_v to_o prove_v that_o their_o church_n be_v heretofore_o in_o popery_n refute_v chap._n x._o 1._o the_o first_o argument_n wherewith_o protestant_n will_v seem_v to_o prove_v that_o their_o church_n in_o former_a time_n be_v in_o popery_n be_v ground_v upon_o that_o saying_n apocal._n 18_o go_v out_o of_o she_o babylon_n my_o people_n therefore_o god_n people_n be_v in_o babylon_n that_o be_v say_v theâ—_n in_o popery_n thus_o argue_v luther_n in_o cap._n 12._o genes_n tom_fw-mi 6._o fol._n 144._o and_o in_o cap._n 19_o fol._n 234._o the_o magdeburgian_o in_o praefat._n centur._n 8._o plessy_a lib._n de_fw-fr eccles_n cap._n 10._o and_o other_o common_o yea_o m._n perkins_n in_o his_o reform_a catholic_a tract_n 22._o write_v that_o by_o this_o commandment_n it_o may_v be_v gather_v that_o the_o true_a church_n be_v and_o be_v long_a time_n in_o the_o roman_a church_n wherein_o he_o speak_v more_o true_o than_o he_o mean_v for_o the_o true_a church_n be_v and_o be_v always_o in_o the_o roman_a but_o the_o protestant_n neither_o be_v nor_o be_v there_o to_o the_o argument_n i_o answer_v that_o this_o place_n can_v be_v no_o sufficient_a ground_n of_o faith_n among_o the_o protestans_fw-la because_o their_o angel_n their_o apostle_n and_o evangelist_n martin_n luther_n deny_v the_o apocalypse_n to_o be_v canonical_a scripture_n again_o though_o indeed_o it_o be_v canonical_a scripture_n yet_o for_o the_o most_o part_n it_o be_v so_o obscure_a as_o but_o very_o few_o place_n thereof_o be_v fit_a to_o ground_v any_o point_n of_o faith_n as_o be_v evident_a both_o by_o the_o book_n itself_o which_o be_v well_o nigh_o all_o mystical_a and_o allegorical_a and_o by_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o father_n and_o confession_n of_o protestant_n 20._o euseb_n l._n 7._o cap._n 20._o for_o thus_o say_v s._n denis_n patriarch_n of_o alexandria_n of_o the_o apocalypse_n i_o very_o think_v that_o almost_o in_o every_o sentence_n there_o lie_v some_o mystical_a and_o marvellous_a sense_n likewise_o s._n hierome_n paulin._n epist_n ad_fw-la paulin._n the_o apocalypse_n have_v as_o many_o mystery_n as_o word_n and_o s._n augustin_n in_o the_o book_n of_o the_o apocalypse_n many_o obscure_a thing_n be_v tell_v and_o there_o be_v few_o thing_n therein_o 17._o lib_n 20._o de_fw-mi civit._n c._n 17._o by_o light_n whereof_o the_o rest_n may_v be_v seek_v aught_o with_o labour_n and_o with_o protestant_n d._n andrew_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o bellarmine_n apology_n cap._n 9_o be_v he_o ignorant_a that_o concern_v the_o apocalypse_n nothing_o certain_a or_o of_o faith_n be_v yet_o prescribe_v by_o the_o church_n that_o it_o may_v be_v lawful_a to_o use_v one_o only_a kind_n of_o interpretation_n and_o no_o other_o as_o if_o it_o be_v so_o clear_a and_o evident_a that_o it_o be_v a_o heinous_a offence_n to_o leave_v it_o or_o to_o dissent_v any_o way_n from_o it_o yea_o as_o any_o may_v with_o great_a probability_n show_v the_o prophecy_n there_o to_o be_v fulfil_v so_o be_v it_o free_a for_o any_o to_o use_v his_o judgement_n &_o to_o follow_v his_o own_o opinion_n in_o explicate_v they_o and_o d._n whitaker_n cont._n 4._o quest_n 5._o cap._n 3_o pag._n 677_o it_o be_v well_o enough_o know_v that_o john_n in_o the_o apocalypse_n speak_v not_o of_o clear_a and_o open_a matter_n but_o of_o obscurt_n and_o hide_a m._n brightman_n in_o his_o preface_n of_o the_o apocalypse_n in_o so_o great_a abundance_n of_o ancient_a and_o new_a exposition_n the_o apocalypse_n yet_o as_o all_o agree_v need_v a_o apocalypse_n and_o m._n sheldon_n in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o miracle_n of_o antichrist_n cap._n 4._o pag._n 54_o call_v it_o a_o dark_a &_o mystical_a prophecy_n in_o which_o say_v he_o quot_fw-la verba_fw-la tot_fw-la latent_fw-la mysteria_fw-la and_o pag._n 226_o the_o apocalypse_n be_v a_o book_n whole_o mystical_a which_o do_v except_v some_o few_o doctrinal_a rule_n and_o exhortation_n to_o virtue_n in_o type_n figure_n form_n and_o resemblance_n describe_v and_o foretell_v the_o future_a event_n of_o the_o
allege_v and_o urge_v to_o my_o purpose_n be_v either_o quite_o alter_v or_o else_o obscure_v for_o if_o in_o any_o place_n for_o brevity_n sake_n the_o word_n be_v so_o little_o change_v as_o the_o sense_n which_o i_o press_v remain_v whole_a and_o clear_a it_o skill_v not_o because_o i_o argue_v not_o out_o of_o the_o mere_a title_n or_o letter_n but_o only_o out_o of_o their_o sense_n and_o signification_n beside_o if_o at_o any_o time_n there_o be_v some_o colour_n of_o cavil_v about_o the_o alteration_n of_o the_o sense_n of_o one_o or_o other_o place_n for_o just_a cause_n i_o hope_v there_o will_v not_o be_v though_o in_o so_o many_o place_n as_o be_v here_o cite_v it_o be_v no_o marvel_n if_o some_o be_v mistake_v let_v he_o not_o therefore_o cry_v that_o all_o the_o testimony_n be_v falsify_v or_o think_v that_o thereby_o he_o have_v satisfy_v all_o the_o rest_n 3._o second_o touch_v the_o testimony_n themselves_o let_v he_o observe_v that_o either_o he_o answer_v they_o all_o or_o at_o least_o those_o which_o be_v the_o strong_a as_o for_o the_o most_o part_n those_o be_v which_o be_v note_v in_o the_o mâ—rgent_a otherwise_o by_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o father_n and_o protestant_n also_o he_o will_v show_v in_o effect_n that_o though_o he_o can_v not_o hold_v his_o peace_n yet_o can_v he_o not_o answer_v sufficient_o for_o as_o s._n augustine_n gaudent_fw-la augustine_n lib._n 1._o cont_n gaudent_fw-la say_v sure_o that_o he_o hold_v his_o peace_n not_o his_o tongue_n but_o his_o cause_n sail_v he_o and_o in_o a_o other_o place_n maxim_n place_n lib._n 2._o cont_n maxim_n i_o take_v your_o silence_n for_o consent_n s._n 61._o s._n epi._n 61._o hierome_n you_o confess_v more_o by_o silence_n than_o you_o deny_v by_o dispute_n and_o again_o 83_o again_o epi._n 83_o it_o skill_v little_a whether_o i_o bind_v my_o adversary_n sleep_v or_o wake_v only_o it_o be_v easy_a to_o bind_v one_o that_o be_v quiet_a than_o one_o that_o resist_v 388._o resist_v tom._n 7._o fol._n 384._o 388._o luther_n also_o evil_a conscience_n speak_v much_o beside_o the_o matter_n but_o little_a to_o the_o purpose_n and_o seldom_o come_v to_o it_o and_o he_o note_v that_o it_o be_v the_o art_n and_o nimbleness_n of_o heretic_n to_o skip_v over_o the_o matter_n and_o difficulty_n whitaker_n pronounce_v it_o to_o be_v a_o sign_n of_o a_o most_o desperate_a cause_n not_o to_o touch_v the_o matter_n and_o d_o 243._o d_o defence_n of_o serm_n p._n 243._o bilson_n to_o this_o thou_o answeare_v nothing_o and_o therefore_o all_o wise_a man_n conclude_v that_o thou_o can_v not_o maintain_v that_o which_o i_o then_o do_v disprove_v d_o suclive_a lib._n 2_o de_fw-fr eccles_n cap._n 1_o the_o rest_n because_o they_o say_v nothing_o to_o it_o i_o will_v take_v for_o grant_v for_o if_o there_o have_v be_v any_o hope_n of_o refute_v it_o or_o any_o place_n of_o calmuniate_a without_o doubt_n they_o will_v not_o have_v be_v silent_a and_o m_o 1._o m_o pro_fw-la tortura_fw-la forti_fw-la c._n 1._o burhill_n among_o the_o wise_a both_o of_o our_o side_n and_o you_o aâ—tergiversatour_n do_v no_o less_o hurt_v his_o cause_n then_o a_o bewrayer_n for_o he_o seem_v to_o consent_v &_o grant_v who_o then_o hold_v his_o peace_n when_o silence_n be_v suspicious_a 4._o three_o touch_v the_o exposition_n of_o the_o testimony_n let_v he_o observe_v that_o when_o the_o word_n be_v clear_a and_o their_o sense_n manifest_a he_o do_v not_o expound_v they_o or_o wrest_v they_o to_o another_o meaning_n for_o first_o if_o clear_a word_n must_v be_v expound_v there_o will_v be_v no_o end_n of_o expound_v again_o to_o what_o purpose_n shall_v he_o expound_v those_o word_n which_o need_v no_o exposition_n this_o be_v as_o apost_n as_o serm._n 14._o the_o verb_n apost_n s._n augustin_n say_v no_o other_o then_o to_o go_v about_o to_o bring_v darkness_n into_o open_a light_n beside_o protestant_n themselves_o say_v that_o clear_a word_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v expound_v for_o thus_o carolstad_n thus_o luther_n co_fw-la 2._o ep_n ad_fw-la carolstad_n luther_n this_o rule_n that_o one_o place_n be_v to_o be_v expound_v by_o another_o without_o doubt_n be_v particular_a to_o wit_v a_o doubtful_a or_o obscure_a place_n must_v be_v expound_v by_o another_o that_o be_v certain_a and_o clear_a for_o to_o expound_v certain_a and_o clear_a place_n by_o conference_n of_o other_o place_n be_v wicked_o to_o mock_v truth_n and_o to_o bring_v cloud_n into_o light_n the_o minister_n of_o saxony_n in_o 303._o in_o pa._n 303._o colloq_fw-la aldeburg_n say_v to_o their_o fellow_n let_v they_o remember_v that_o exposition_n be_v not_o to_o be_v admit_v in_o clear_a place_n and_o those_o of_o 161._o of_o hospin_n fol._n 161._o zurich_n then_o there_o be_v need_n of_o declaration_n when_o the_o word_n &_o sense_n thereof_o be_v obscure_a and_o melancthon_n nothing_o can_v be_v say_v so_o proper_o so_o plain_o advise_o which_o may_v not_o be_v deprave_a by_o some_o cavillation_n beza_n 41_o beza_n ep._n 41_o also_o it_o be_v easy_a to_o wrest_v other_o man_n writing_n and_o m._n dominis_n 3._o dominis_n l._n 1._o c._n 3._o let_v those_o word_n which_o be_v clear_a be_v keep_v in_o their_o proper_a and_o plain_a sense_n 5._o four_o let_v he_o observe_v that_o in_o expound_v the_o protestant_n testimony_n he_o devise_v not_o hyperbole_n or_o figure_n at_o his_o pleasure_n but_o let_v he_o bring_v good_a reason_n why_o he_o expound_v they_o figurative_o either_o deny_a say_v 13._o say_v cont._n prax._n c._n 13._o tertullian_n that_o these_o be_v write_v or_o who_o be_v thou_o that_o thou_o deny_v that_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v take_v as_o they_o be_v write_v and_o the_o protestant_n in_o admonit_n de_fw-fr lib._n concord_n cap._n 3._o say_v if_o they_o will_v not_o that_o these_o shall_v be_v understand_v as_o they_o sound_v why_o speak_v they_o so_o and_o brentius_n in_o recognit_n pag._n 148._o what_o liberty_n what_o temerity_n be_v this_o of_o abuse_v word_n and_o devise_v a_o new_a grammar_n for_o first_o the_o rule_n of_o understand_v man_n word_n be_v that_o they_o be_v take_v according_a to_o their_o proper_a and_o common_a signification_n unless_o the_o writer_n or_o speaker_n do_v by_o some_o way_n declare_v the_o contrary_n whereupon_o 473._o whereupon_o tom._n 2._o fol._n 473._o luther_n say_v we_o have_v overcome_v that_o word_n be_v to_o be_v take_v in_o their_o natural_a sense_n except_o the_o contrary_n be_v demonstrate_v and_o 4._o and_o colloq_fw-la c._n 8._o diu._n 4._o d._n rainolds_n that_o be_v the_o sense_n of_o word_n in_o which_o they_o be_v common_o take_v beside_o otherwise_o all_o force_n of_o prove_v any_o thing_n by_o any_o word_n of_o god_n or_o man_n be_v quite_o go_v note_n note_n for_o since_o all_o the_o force_n of_o such_o proof_n stand_v in_o the_o sense_n if_o this_o be_v uncertain_a and_o must_v be_v proper_a or_o figurative_a according_a as_o the_o hearer_n or_o reader_n will_v all_o the_o force_n of_o the_o proof_n shall_v depend_v upon_o the_o will_n of_o the_o hearer_n or_o reader_n and_o hence_o it_o proceed_v that_o the_o proof_n which_o catholic_n make_v out_o of_o scripture_n against_o heretic_n seem_v to_o some_o not_o to_o convince_v they_o which_o fall_v out_o not_o for_o defect_n in_o the_o proof_n themselves_o but_o for_o the_o manner_n of_o they_o to_o wit_n because_o they_o be_v take_v from_o word_n which_o heretic_n will_v expound_v at_o their_o pleasure_n and_o if_o there_o be_v no_o rule_n observe_v in_o expound_v word_n but_o they_o be_v wrest_v at_o every_o one_o fancy_n what_o marvel_n be_v there_o if_o heretic_n can_v be_v convince_v either_o by_o the_o word_n of_o scripture_n or_o any_o other_o whatsoever_o moreover_o if_o at_o the_o will_n of_o the_o reader_n or_o hearer_n word_n may_v be_v expound_v either_o proper_o or_o figurative_o he_o that_o tell_v the_o great_a untruth_n may_v be_v think_v to_o tell_v the_o great_a truth_n &_o contrariwyse_o be_v that_o speak_v most_o pious_o may_v be_v judge_v to_o speak_v most_o impious_o hereupon_o say_v 489._o say_v tom._n 2._o fol._n 489._o luther_n if_o this_o licence_n reign_v i_o may_v interpret_v all_o thing_n fit_o whatsoever_o either_o heretic_n or_o the_o devil_n himself_o have_v do_v or_o say_v or_o can_v do_v or_o say_v for_o ever_o where_o then_o shall_v be_v the_o mean_n to_o refel_v a_o heretik_a or_o the_o devil_n and_o 220._o and_o ib_a fol._n 220._o again_o if_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o play_v with_o figure_n at_o pleasure_n without_o yield_v any_o reason_n what_o hinder_v but_o that_o all_o word_n have_v new_a sense_n furthermore_o it_o be_v the_o custom_n or_o heretic_n to_o devise_v figure_n of_o their_o pleasure_n thus_o serap_n thus_o epist_n ad_fw-la serap_n s._n athanasius_n
heretic_n rash_o devise_v figure_n and_o 27._o and_o cont._n hermog_n c._n 27._o tertullian_n these_o be_v the_o subtlety_n &_o sleight_n of_o heretic_n to_o call_v in_o question_n the_o simplicity_n of_o common_a word_n and_o this_o namely_o he_o note_v of_o the_o praesc_fw-la the_o praesc_fw-la valentinian_o as_o haeres_fw-la as_o l._n de_fw-fr haeres_fw-la s._n austin_n do_v of_o the_o priscillianist_n and_o the_o same_o condemn_v luther_n in_o the_o sacramentary_n and_o the_o sacramentary_n in_o the_o anabaptist_n final_o protestant_n themselves_o condemn_v this_o wrest_n of_o word_n from_o their_o proper_a signification_n without_o just_a cause_n luther_n li_n cont_n ecchium_fw-la tom_n 1._o fol._n 354_o if_o word_n do_v serve_v thou_o as_o another_o mercury_n at_o thy_o pleasure_n and_o fol._n 55_o to_o say_v that_o augustin_n speak_v excessive_o against_o heretic_n be_v to_o say_v that_o augustin_n almost_o every_o where_o lie_v and_o praefat._v in_o artic._n smalcald_n he_o bitter_o inveigh_v against_o some_o who_o expound_v his_o word_n against_o his_o meaning_n the_o minister_n of_o saxony_n in_o colloq_fw-la aldeburg_n pag._n 343._o great_o complain_v of_o the_o electoral_a minister_n that_o they_o miserable_o crucify_v luther_n with_o their_o gloss_n and_o pag._n 337._o say_v it_o be_v uncivil_a to_o feign_v a_o sense_n which_o the_o word_n bear_v not_o and_o pag._n 304_o whosoever_o go_v about_o to_o cloak_n opinion_n which_o by_o themselves_o as_o the_o word_n sound_v be_v false_a he_o be_v guilty_a of_o they_o especial_o if_o he_o be_v a_o doctor_n of_o the_o church_n and_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o in_o like_a sort_n the_o minister_n of_o the_o electour_n say_v to_o those_o of_o saxony_n pag._n 252._o that_o they_o avoid_v luther_n word_n by_o sophistical_a interpretation_n and_o by_o oppose_v other_o place_n and_o pag._n 447_o let_v power_n be_v give_v to_o expound_v &_o wrest_v luther_n writing_n according_a to_o pleasure_n and_o fancy_n like_o the_o sibyl_n oracle_n or_o sphinx_n his_o riddle_n besoldus_n also_o praefat._v in_o comment_n luther_n in_o genes_n tom_fw-mi 6._o fol._n 497._o thus_o write_v of_o some_o if_o they_o fall_v upon_o any_o such_o place_n in_o luther_n interpretation_n by_o the_o clearness_n of_o which_o they_o may_v be_v refute_v they_o feign_v that_o they_o be_v figurative_o speak_v they_o devise_v trope_n and_o figure_n and_o when_o the_o sacramentary_n expound_v the_o word_n of_o the_o confession_n of_o auspurge_n commodious_o and_o dextrous_o as_o they_o speak_v according_a to_o their_o opinion_n 1._o lobechius_n disput_fw-la 1._o the_o lutheran_n say_v may_v not_o any_o in_o this_o manner_n subscribe_v to_o the_o turkish_a koran_n and_o make_v the_o canon_n of_o trent_n or_o other_o sentence_n howsoever_o contrary_v 17._o survey_v ca._n 17._o to_o be_v orthodoxal_a m._n baâ—croft_n thus_o write_v of_o puritan_n you_o must_v bring_v strange_a discord_n of_o which_o these_o man_n will_v not_o make_v some_o harmony_n again_o to_o their_o profit_n they_o can_v make_v quodlibet_n ex_fw-la quolibet_fw-la pareus_n lib._n 2._o de_fw-la justificat_fw-la cap._n 13._o say_v that_o it_o rise_v of_o a_o naughty_a cause_n to_o deprave_v the_o nature_n of_o word_n and_o lib._n 4._o cap._n 1._o call_v it_o a_o heinous_a slander_n in_o bellarmine_n when_o he_o say_v that_o many_o protestant_n speak_v one_o thing_n &_o mean_v another_o the_o minister_n also_o of_o zurich_n in_o hosp_n part_n 2._o fol._n 161._o affirm_v that_o he_o may_v just_o be_v condemn_v of_o madness_n of_o all_o who_o give_v credit_n not_o to_o sound_v and_o clear_a word_n but_o to_o some_o explication_n not_o of_o he_o who_o the_o word_n be_v but_o of_o some_o other_o who_o they_o be_v not_o you_o see_v how_o mad_a they_o be_v to_o be_v account_v who_o shall_v believe_v not_o the_o plain_a and_o evident_a testimony_n of_o protestant_n rehearse_v of_o we_o but_o some_o other_o man_n exposition_n 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amsdorf_n they_o speak_v not_o always_o so_o plain_o as_o luther_n do_v and_o luther_n himself_o i_o will_v be_v plain_a again_o i_o have_v never_o this_o dissimulation_n to_o pretend_v to_o dispute_v that_o which_o i_o mean_v to_o determine_v and_o in_o another_o place_n i_o will_v not_o abide_v to_o be_v suspect_v of_o such_o hypocrisy_n to_o think_v otherwise_o then_o i_o write_v and_o yet_o more_o to_o what_o be_v this_o double-tongued_a and_o hateful_a kind_n of_o speech_n but_o under_o word_n and_o letter_n to_o sow_v the_o seed_n of_o all_o heresy_n the_o confession_n of_o saxony_n cap._n 3_o in_o the_o church_n we_o must_v avoid_v ambiguity_n and_o caluin_n de_fw-fr vera_fw-la eccl._n reform_v pag._n 335_o when_o in_o all_o matter_n plainness_n be_v to_o be_v use_v especial_o when_o religion_n be_v handle_v it_o be_v not_o lawful_a to_o use_v craft_n and_o dissimulation_n and_o the_o sacramentary_n in_o admonit_a de_fw-fr lib._n concordiae_fw-la cap._n 3._o pag._n 62_o we_o 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participation_n of_o sacrament_n communication_n of_o public_a prayer_n and_o such_o like_a other_o ecclesiastical_a exercise_n to_o wit_n when_o one_o thought_n he_o agree_v with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o principal_a head_n of_o christian_a faith_n yet_o i_o know_v not_o for_o what_o light_a cause_n withdraw_v himself_o from_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n and_o communicate_v not_o with_o she_o in_o the_o sacrament_n such_o say_v he_o be_v proper_o call_v schismatics_n m._n perkins_n in_o cap._n 5._o galat._n vers_fw-la 21._o heresy_n be_v in_o doctrine_n schism_n in_o manner_n order_n and_o government_n d._n fulke_o de_fw-fr success_n pag._n 165_o there_o may_v be_v schism_n in_o the_o church_n where_o the_o same_o doctrine_n be_v hold_v on_o both_o party_n &_o the_o one_o want_v lawful_a succession_n d._n field_n lib._n 1._o of_o the_o church_n cap._n 7_o some_o profess_v the_o whole_a save_a faith_n but_o not_o in_o unity_n as_o schismatic_o dancus_fw-la in_o august_n de_fw-fr haeres_fw-la cap._n 3._o he_o be_v a_o schismatic_n who_o retain_v the_o same_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n and_o that_o entire_a yet_o without_o probable_a and_o better_a reason_n follow_v not_o the_o decent_a rite_n of_o the_o church_n the_o same_o he_o have_v apol._n pro_fw-la heluet._n eccles_n pag._n 1485._o bullinger_n tom_n 1._o decad._n 5._o serm_n 2._o vorstius_n in_o antibellarm_n pag._n 190._o d._n whitaker_n count_v 2._o quest_n 5._o cap._n 10._o d._n rainolds_n praelect_a 1._o col_fw-fr 2._o heshusius_fw-la in_o 1._o cor._n 1._o and_o other_o 5._o now_o that_o proper_a schismatic_n to_o wit_n such_o as_o wilful_o separate_v themselves_o from_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n be_v not_o member_n or_o part_n of_o the_o church_n be_v clear_a by_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o father_n church_n that_o schismatic_n be_v out_o of_o the_o church_n the_o confession_n of_o protestant_n and_o manifest_a reason_n s._n augustin_n lib._n de_fw-la fide_fw-la &_o symbolo_fw-la cap._n 10._o say_v neither_o do_v a_o heretic_n belong_v to_o the_o catholic_a church_n nor_o a_o schismatic_n tract_n 3._o in_o 1._o joan._n all_o heretic_n all_o schismatics_n be_v go_v out_o of_o the_o church_n lib._n 3._o the_o baptism_n cap._n 19_o all_o heretic_n and_o schismatics_n be_v false_a christian_n and_o lib_n 2._o cont_n crescon_n cap._n 29_o i_o think_v not_o that_o any_o so_o dote_v to_o believe_v he_o to_o belong_v to_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o church_n who_o have_v not_o charity_n the_o like_a he_o have_v in_o many_o place_n s._n ambrose_n lib._n 7._o in_o luc._n cap._n 11._o understand_v that_o all_o heretic_n and_o schismatics_n be_v separate_v from_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n and_o from_o the_o church_n s._n optatus_n lib._n 2._o the_o church_n can_v be_v with_o any_o heretic_n or_o schismatics_n s._n fulgentius_n de_fw-fr fide_fw-la ad_fw-la petrum_fw-la cap._n 38_o believe_v most_o steadfast_o and_o doubt_v nothing_o that_o not_o 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be_v not_o within_o the_o church_n again_o danaeus_n lib._n 3._o de_fw-fr eccl._n c._n 5._o say_v this_o be_v the_o mark_n that_o thou_o be_v of_o the_o visible_a church_n that_o outward_o thou_o profess_v the_o faith_n &_o communicate_v with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n in_o the_o same_o sacrament_n but_o schismatics_n do_v not_o communicate_v in_o sacrament_n with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n and_o d._n feild_n lib._n 2._o of_o the_o church_n cap._n 2._o say_v communion_n in_o sacrament_n under_o lawful_a pastor_n be_v a_o essential_a note_n of_o the_o true_a catholic_a church_n but_o shismatik_n want_v this_o communion_n and_o casaubon_n epist_n ad_fw-la card._n peron_n pag._n 9_o the_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n be_v unite_v in_o the_o unity_n of_o faith_n and_o doctrine_n and_o conjunction_n of_o mind_n and_o in_o true_a charity_n and_o office_n of_o charity_n especial_o of_o mutual_a prayer_n but_o schismatic_n be_v not_o unite_v in_o charity_n and_o office_n of_o mutual_a prayer_n final_o only_a catholic_n be_v member_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n as_o be_v evident_a and_o 3._o and_o whi._n conc_fw-fr 2._o q._n 5._o cap._n 3._o protestant_n confess_v but_o schismatic_n be_v not_o catholik_o as_o the_o very_a name_n do_v declare_v the_o father_n doc_fw-fr teach_v and_o 7._o and_o gesner_n loc_fw-la 24._o field_n l._n de_fw-fr eccles_n c._n 7._o protestant_n acknowledge_v 6._o by_o this_o it_o appear_v that_o the_o foresay_a mayor_n which_o be_v the_o foundation_n of_o protestant_n in_o this_o matter_n be_v not_o only_o false_a but_o also_o so_o manifest_o false_a as_o out_o of_o this_o question_n it_o be_v common_o deny_v of_o protestant_n themselves_o beside_o it_o be_v not_o only_o false_a but_o also_o so_o improbable_a that_o neither_o it_o be_v prove_v of_o protestant_n nor_o can_v be_v any_o other_o way_n then_o by_o proof_n of_o fool_n or_o wilful_a man_n that_o be_v by_o their_o own_o say_n for_o d._n whitaker_n as_o we_o have_v see_v 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