us an Answer by the bearer hereof who comes on purpose to bring this and to receive an Answer from thee We are Thy Friends Thomas Gouldney William Ford. William Rogers As before is hinted no Answer is yet come which is ground of Jealousie that G. F. is Author of the said abusive Letter To conclude My Desire now is That every thing herein Treated of may be weighed in the Ballance of the Sanctuary and then I doubt not but that it will appear unto every Understanding Impartial Reader that George For hath been acted by an Erroneous Spirit and been Guilty of many Things reproachful to the Truth for which he ought to Humble himself if peradventure he may be made Partaker of the Mercies of the Lord and then no question but God's peculiar People will have a Sense thereof But until he appear Humbled through That Repentance that 's never to be Repented of his State and Condition is to be lamented of And though 't is not in the Power of any Mortal Man or any Assembly of Men on Earth whatsoever to Excommunicate from amongst the true Members of Christ's Body a Servant of the Living God unto whom through the Obedience of Faith in Christ is given an Earnest of the Great Salvation Yet if any one so outwardly pretending hath acted Erroneously and hath concerned himself Against his Brother at so large a rate as cannot be vindicated unless that Rule which Almighty God as by a Finger from Heaven through his Son Christ Jesus hath laid down viz. By their Fruits ye shall know them be to be esteemed as voyd 't is most just and reasonable to declare That such an one hath cutt him off from being a Member of the Body of Christ by departing from the Rock Christ on which Preservation and Help is laid On this Score I am now concerned in my Conscience thus to declare and conclude That for sometimes past G. F. hath stood in a state of Separation from many of the Lord's People May the God of Heaven give him a true Sight and Sense thereof unto Repentance that so before his Body be turned to Dust from whence it came he may be restored into Fellowship with them again saith my Soul Bristol 1 st Day of the 8 th Moneth 1680. William Rogers THE END AN INDEX Of some of the Chief Matters Treated on A APostacy A Discovery of several things which may be justly termed the Fruits of Apostacy and Innovation and in particular that Iohn Wilkinson and Iohn Story have been Judged and Condemned by Persons that have not heard them speak for themselves as doth appear in an Answer given by Thomas Gouldeny William Forde and William Rogers to a Paper subscribed by Charles Marshall and Sixty-Five more dated at Ellis Hooks his Chamber London the 12 th of the 4 th Month 1677. 2 d. Part p. 72 to 84. Apostolick-Order of the Church of Christ Robert Barclay asserts is Establish't amongst the People called Quakers and by the Scope of his Book of Government his Meaning is with respect to Outward Orders his Sense therein disproved 3 d. Part p. 23 to 33. Authority of the Church in Robert Barclay's Sense 3 d. Part p. 54. The Apostles assumed not Authority to give a Decisive Judgment in a Religious Conscientious Case without being chosen by the Parties differing and then they gave their Judgment according to the Faith both of Jew and Gentile unto whom it did relate 3 d. Part p. 65 66. See Church-Government B BAptisme of Water was the Ministration of Iohn not to continue to the End of the World 2 d. Part p. 45 to 50. The One Baptisme spoken of by Paul was the Baptisme of the Spirit 2 d. Part p. 50. Believers in Robert Barclay's Sense are bound by the positive Sentence and Decision of the Church in Matters of Conscience 3 d. Part p. 54. His Sense and Reasons examined and refuted 3 d. Part p. 54 to 61. Believers in opposite Practices and yet the Christian-Bond of their Fellowship not broken 3 d. Part p. 56. See Isaac Penington's Testimony touching that Authority which Christ excluded out of his Church 3 d. Part p. 89 to 98. This Sentence viz. We must believe as the Church believes Published by one called a Quaker examined and the Truth cleared from such Constructions as may be erroneously imported from thence 3 d. Part p. 73 74. See 1 st Part p. 23 to 27. C CHarity An Objection grounded thereon in favour of our Opposers Answered shewing Fruits of Weakness Presumption Danger of going beyond ones Gift excluding Reason eyeing Man and Things without instead of our inward Teacher The Reason why the Word of Life becomes to some the Savour of Death 1 st Part p. 17 to 22. Charles Marshall a Subscriber with Thirty-Six more of an Unrighteous Paper on the hearing of a Debate between Robert Barclay and William Rogers 3 d. Part p. 128 129. Observations thereon manifesting their Error and Partiality 3 d. Part p. 137 to 140. Christ by his Spirit a Law-giver like unto Moses 3 d. Part p. 9 10. Church-Government Our Sense of our Opposers Meaning touching Church-Government our Denyal of that Meaning and that no just Pretence be under the Notion of Church-Government to claim a Power over Property and Conscience The Doctrine of Robert Barclay importing Power over Property and Conscience refuted and our Sense touching the Method of deciding Controversies laid down An Objection Answered whereby 't is plain that Acceptable Obedience carryes with it Conviction of Conscience and that Christ encouraged not his Disciples to be Rulers over each other 1 st Part p. 44 to 61. See the 3 d. Part p. 35 to 41. Divers Sentences cited out of Robert Barclay's Book of Government importing an Approbation of such a Form of Outward Church-Government by some of the People called Quakers over others so termed wherein they undertake to Teach Traditions Exercise an Authority to Ordain Appoint Command and Rule over others whose Duty in Robert Barclay's Sense 't is to submit and that there lyes an Obligation on such as are gathered to Reverence Honour and Obey such as are set over them 3 d. Part p. 44 45. The said Sentences examined and that which is taken to be his Sense on the Scriptures quoted demonstrated to be a Perversion and that the words Order Rule Command Govern Government Traditions c. will not in the Apostles Sense import an Obligation on any Christian Believer to act any thing relating to Faith or Discipline on a Religious Score whereof by the Grace of God or Light in the Conscience he is not perswaded to be his Duty 3 d. Part p. 46 to 52. Christian-Quaker What he standeth for 1 st Part p. 27 to 30. Command Who are deemed by our Opposers to have Power to Command Ordain and Appoint 1 st Part p. 6 7 8. See Church-Government Confidence The Qualifications of such as abound in Confidence without either Knowledge or Zeal 1 st Part p. 76.
And whereas it may be said We assign not to men as Judges but to the Spirit of God in Men yet this doth not wholly mend the Matter whilest the Question remains unanswered Who or where are the Men thorough whom the Spirit appears to Judge or at least so unanswered as not to remove the reasonable Objections of such as may gainsay and so through these things the mind of the Weak may come to be entertain'd with doubtful Disputations rather then those things which tend to Edification contrary to the drift and bent of the Apostle's Spirit Rom. 14.1 1 Cor. 14.26 Secondly I cannot yet cease from a further Observation on the aforesaid Position viz. Which positive sentence and decision may become Obligatory on Believers 'T is true the aforesaid Author doth not here say it ought to become Obligatory upon Believers yet to me 't is evident that he intends that such a Sentence ought to become Obligatory on Believers seeing on one Instance as Proof to his Affirmation he thus saith And is not this Obligatory on all the Members c Further saying with relation thereto I cannot tell that any Man of Reason can well deny this That which R. B. in these things seemes to drive at hath as to me appears a plain tendency to draw from the Measure of Truth in our selves though I dare not be so uncharitable as to conclude he so intends and if any Line hath dropt from my Pen which may seem to import so much I declare that not to be my Meaning or at least to encourage the lending an Ear to the Sense and Judgment of others more than to that Sense and Savour which we have within our selves For first by Believers I take the aforesaid Author plainly to intend as well such Believers as are no way concerned in giving forth such Positive Sentence or Decision as those that are else what 's the meaning of these his words And is not this Obligatory on all the Members And so such unconcerned may have no better Ground to be at Unity therewith than the saying of others Now I cannot tell how any man of reason can make out that this seems any better than this sort of Language Ye must believe as the Church believes of which more anon that I may not be understood to reflect on any thing that may in any measure savour of Truth Thirdly It doth seem plainly to contradict this wholesome Testimony of and for the Truth viz. That the Sentence and Judgement of any Man or Men whatsoever relating to Matters of Conscience ought not at this day to be given forth but by way of Recommendation to the Conscience which to my knowledge hath been the Practice of the People called Quakers and when the Conscience is sensible that Gods Witness therein answers then the Conscience is or ought to be bound other Bonds may make Hypocrites and Busi-bodies but not good Christians Paul writing to the Corinthians tells them We recommend our selves to every Mans Conscience in the Sight of God 2 Cor. 4.2 Here Paul became not a Bond upon them further than they had a Sense that Gods Witness in the Conscience answered The same Paul tells the Corinthians as before is quoted thus Having hope that when your Faith is increased we shall be enlarged by you according to our Rule abundantly This doth not manifest Pauls Desire was that they should walk according to his Rule until their Faith was increased Let us now examine how R. B. by Scripture proves that the Positive Sentence and Decision of the Church in Matters of Conscience may be Obligatory upon Believers for that he saith I shall prove it from Divers Instances from Scripture and in order thereto I find him to quote only three Scriptures The First is Gal. 1.8 But though We or an Angel from Heaven Preach any other Doctrine unto you than that which we have Preached unto you let him be Accursed If this Scripture be a proper Proof of the Matter then by the Word we Paul must be understood to mean the Church and that in the aforesaid Authors Sense Now the aforesaid Authors Sense as appears Page 68. is That such Assemblies are the Church which in any tolerable Supposition may be so termed but doubtless Paul was so exact as not to deliver any thing as Doctrine but what he had seen and handled according to this Testimony recorded in the Scriptures What we have seen and handled of the Word of Life that declare we unto you Which being certain and infallible Tokens are more than tolerable Suppositions and therefore I cannot but conclude Paul never intended that such who refused to be bound in Matters of Conscience by the Sentences of every such Assembly which in any tolerable Supposition might be termed the Church of Christ should be pronounced Accurst much less if they shall pretend they see it not and yet the aforesaid Author saith as hereafter is manifest to this purpose That that shall not excuse such from Disobedience to God who submit not to the Sentences given forth by such Assemblies or some or other of them And likewise it ought to appear that a part of that Gospel which the Church and not only Paul who as he was moved of the Lord writ to the Churches by way of Exhortation and Doctrine Preached to the Galatians was That the positive Sentence or Decision of the Church either ought to be Obligatory on all the Members or at lest Obligatory on Believers or else that which by a natural Consequence might import the same but no such Doctrine nor the import thereof by any reasonable Consequence appears from the Church nor yet from Paul to the Galatians or any else And since Paul is thus quoted let us enquire how Paul did after it pleased God to reveal his Son in him for there were Apostles and Elders before him and yet he saith Gal. 1.16 17. I consulted not with Flesh and Blood neither came I again to Jerusalem to the Apostles and Elders before me and though 't was not in a Case of controversy touching Conscience yet 't was in a Case that to him was Matter of Conscience And when he perceived that Peter and other of the Jews would have constrain'd the Gentiles to do like the Jews he withstood Peter to the face Gal. 2.11 13. Now Peter and those other Jewes might have reason'd with Paul and said we are the Brethren and the Church and our Practice ought to be a Bond on thee and thou oughtest rather to submit to us than we to thee but had they so done doubtless Paul would still have withstood them and have been Justified therein The Second Scripture R. B. quotes is 1 Tim. 1.19 20. which thus saith Holding Faith and a Good Conscience which some having put away concerning Faith have made Shipwrack of whom is Hymeneus and Allexander whom I have delivered to Satan that they may learn not to Blaspheme What 's this to the purpose to prove that
Things have a Tendency to insinuate Submission without Conviction to nurture up Ignorance instead of Wisdom and to introduce Bondage instead of Freedom in Christ as much as ever was under the Cover of a Black-Coat in the Dark Night of Apostacy where this Maxime viz. Ignorance is the Mother of Devotion is known to be true with respect to a Zealous Observation of what the Clergy have imposed and taught What is already signified may give some little Taste of Apostacy or Innovation unto such as have been acquainted with the Primitive Doctrines and Practices of the True Christian-Quaker or Children of Light for so we were called in the Beginning But yet 't is with me a little to treat of one other grand Mark of Apostacy or Innovation viz. Iudging the Merit of a Cause without Hearing the same As before is signified 'T was the Saying of Christ As I Hear I Judge But yet I am a Witness that Ignorance or Envy or that which is worse hath so abounded as that the True Christian-Quaker hath been judged and censured by such as retain that Name but not his Nature when See the Appendix to the Second Part of the Christian-Quaker unheard in the Defence of Himself and the Cause of Truth which he hath stood for When I consider the aforesaid Words of Christ As I Hear I Iudge John 5.26 27. and that it sprang from him who was Partaker of his Father's Life and Power and knew all Things John 16.30 it s to me a real Confirmation that a Pretence to Life Power and Discerning of Spirits cannot be sufficient Plea to justify a Practice contrary to that Example And therefore since I know that such a Pretence hath been the only Plea for that Practice I conclude it no better than the Fruit of Ignorance or Envy or that which is worse Ignorance in those who have believed that outward Ministers are Ordained of God amongst the People called Quakers to See for the Body and Hear for the Body and on that Foot signe and glory in other Men's Lines made ready to their Hands whether they know any thing of the Truth thereof or no. Envy or that which is worse in such an one as hath used both Acquired and Natural Parts from the Strength of Reason Testimonies of Scriptures Arguments from the Light of Christ Citations out of Antient and Modern Writers as well as Examples of Antient Fathers to convince some Professors of Christianity of their Errors and yet imperatively signify To God's Friends every where as before is cited on this wise Let not this Spirit be reasoned with enter not into Proposals and Articles with it but feed it with Iudgment that is God's Decree And indeed the Endeavours of some have taken such an Effect as that the abused Parties Readiness to abide a Hearing before a competent Number of Persons equally to be chosen if any one had Matter of Evil Fact or False Doctrine to lay to their Charge would not be accepted but instead thereof a Persevering to term them dark and rending Spirits without evidencing wherein Which is far short of that Justice which appeared in Festus when he directed the Jewish Informers against Paul to Accuse him of Wickedness if there be any in him These Things considered What ingenious Reader can conclude that Persons so qualifyed are of any better Spirit than those Persecuting Jews were of unto whom the aforesaid Festus on the Behalf of Persecuted Paul said Acts 25.16 It is not the Manner of the Romans to deliver any Man to Dye before that he which is Accused have the Accusers Face to Face and have Licence to answer for himself concerning the Crime laid against him And though the Testimony of Festus runs not parallel with respect to the taking away of the Natural Life yet several Instances might be produced to manifest that there are amongst the People termed Quakers such as practise so far as in them lyes the bringing a Death upon the Good Name and Reputation of the True Christian-Quaker without giving Opportunity to know Whether they pretend to Accuse of Matter of Evil Fact or no. These Things considered puts me in mind to note That one great Part of the Matter of Controversie is touching John Story who in Publick Meeting for Worship hath in my Hearing been accused for a False Prophet and when the Accuser hath been desired to prove him so the Answer hath been He is of a Dividing Spirit and therefore a False Prophet But when in Answer it hath been said as of late it hath Bring forth and prove Matter of Evil Fact or False Doctrine against him and we will disown him then nothing of that Nature hath been brought forth much less proved against him Which considered I rationally infer That such Opposers of the Christian-Quaker whom in this Preface I intend are guilty of one other Mark of Apostacy or Innovation in not admitting to be put in Practice the Rule of Christ when he said Ye shall know them by their Fruits Matth. 7.16 meaning as the Scripture declares such as were False Prophets And that they may the better evade the Rule prescribed as by Christ sometimes affirm That a Good Cause may be ill managed and a bad Cause well managed Thereby insinuating into Ignorant People that though John Story and his Friends have managed their Cause well whil'st their Opposers have managed their Cause but ill yet that John Story and his Friends are Persons of Bad Spirits and their Opposers Persons of Right Spirits And for my own part I no way doubt but that this sort of Argumentation hath become a Defence and Cover for False Certificates Lyes and Slanderous Accusations whereby some have been proselyted to oppose the Truth it self Oh great Abomination If Living Well and holding forth nothing but Sound Doctrine shall not be brought to the Measuring Line of Christ What Defence can there be against a Slanderous Tongue And if Evil Practices and Unsound Doctrine pretended to be publish't in the Name of God shall admit of this Cover he is notwithstanding of a Good Spirit A little Religion and common Sense will give an Understanding of what Absurdities and Gross Darkness may be introduced under those Notions 'T is then easily to be discerned that if the Envy of a Proud Man that seeks Lordship over the Consciences of others do but once put to speak comparatively the Bare-Skin upon the Back of a Friend in Truth there will not be wanting a Company of Ignorant or Envious Persons ready to bite and devour him and to spread abroad Certificates of Defamation Right or Wrong amongst Enemies as well as Friends according to the Example given by G. F. when writing to H. S. R. T. and another Person of Harford he thus said Here is a Certificate enclosed from Two of John Story 's Neighbours who very well know he hath been an Encourager of the Separate-Meeting in Westmoreland which you may shew both to Enemies and Friends with the other
Two Certificates Which being compared with what he writ from Amsterdam the 14 th Day of 7 th Moneth 1677. on this wise And you that have given your Testimony against that Note By the word This Spirit I take his Meaning to be J. S. and J.W. and such as are at Unity with them because in another Paper I find him thus expressing himself viz. This Separate Spirit of J. S. and J.W. Spirit stand in your Testimony till they Answer by Condemnation and do not strive and make Bargains with that which is out of the Truth clearly shews a Designe of Imposition and that so far as in him lyes to obstruct Friends from Bargaining with such whom he Condemns By which if his Meaning be that he would not have Friends Discourse with such nor yet to agree about any Orderly Conference in order to a Reconciliation or Hearing of Differences than his own Practice afterward in submitting to a Limited Meeting with me on a particular Occasion within the City of Bristol in the 12 th Moneth 1677. before Twelve Persons chosen on each side condemns his own Direction Besides such a Meaning from the Great Apostle of Christ which doubtless G. F. is at least reputed by many to be seems wholly repugnant to the Counsel of the Apostle who said Jude 3 4. It is needful for me to write unto you that you should earnestly contend for the Faith which was once delivered unto the Saints for there are certain Men crept in unawares viz. Ungodly Men. We also find That Gainsayers according to Paul's Counsel to Titus were to be Convinced by sound Doctrine and Exhortation Titus 1.9 Which leads me to query Whether there be any Room left to convince Gain-sayers by sound Doctrine or Exhortation or otherwise earnestly to contend for the Faith with such as are crept in unawares c. unless Conference be admitted with such as are supposed to be so that so they may be made manifest to all And Whether 't is not rational to conclude That G. F. who endeavours that others should avoid such Conferences doth not give just Cause of Jealousie that he is of that Number whom the Apostle reputed Ungodly Vain Talkers and Deceivers But if otherwise G. F's Meaning be that such whom he Condemns have no Right to Note Some perhaps may think this a Groundless Insinuation and therefore I thought meet thus to note That one of my Correspondents highly affected with G. F. and who for many Years past hath been Partner with me in a Merchandizing-Trade to several Parts beyond the Seas is of late come so far as on the Score of my Concern in Religious Differences amongst the afore-said People to break off all manner of Dealing with me in Partnership declaring by his Letter as a Reason for his so doing in these Words I CANNOT BVT REASONABLY EXPECT THE HAND OF THE LORD MAY BE AGAINST THEE AND THAT PERADVENTVRE IN THE THINGS OF THE WORLD I omit his Name amongst others concerned in the Differences for the Reasons hereafter mentioned Let now the Ingenious and Impartial Reader consider whether this is not at least next Door to a Discouragement to Buy and Sell with me For if all should so serve me I should be obstructed to proceed in that Method of Trade by which I have been enabled not only to provide for my Family but to administer to the Relief of others also Bargain Buy or Sell until they Answer by Condemnation then I may justly term That to be a Mark of the Beast spoken of Rev. 13.17 where 't is thus said No Man might buy or sell save he that had the Mark or Name of the Beast Let the Reader take either of these Two Meanings for a Third I cannot think of and 't is the Mark of a Deceiver of such as dwell on the Earth which are the Terms wherein John Revel 13.14 describ'd the Beast He that hath an Ear to hear let him hear Having thus far proceeded in some measure to manifest the Reason of the Publication hereof as well as to note a few Marks of Apostacy or Innovation that so the Reader from the Preface may have a little Savour of that Spirit by which the Opposers of the Children of Light are led I now come to signify that the further Design of this Preface is chiefly to Answer the Three following Queries which on the Perusal of the ensuing Treatise I am sensible from Discourse already had may arise in the Breasts of some called Quakers Qu. I. Why hast thou omitted to mention the Names of some Persons and Authors of some Books and Papers reflected on in this Treatise Qu. II. Why hast thou treated on Principles held forth by the People called Quakers since many Books have already been given forth by some amongst them treating on many if not all of those Things which thou hast done Qu. III. Whether thy Publishing this Treatise in Print may not in probability give unto others a Knowledge of the Differences amongst us and so obstruct the Encrease of our Meetings and the Gathering of some yet walking in the Broad Way into the true Faith and cause many already gathered thereunto to stumble and fall Before I shall make direct Answer to these Queries 't is needful to inform the Reader of some Things relating to Orderly Proceeding and Constraint of Spirit which being considered may be well taken for a Just Apology thus to appear in Print and not only so but may render the direct Answers more satisfactory And therefore I do first proceed to signifie that in the Year 1678. the Religious Differences amongst the People called Quakers were so publickly manifested that several of my Brethren seemed not only grievously burthened therewith but also concern'd that the Things which became their Burthen might be stated in Writing and Remonstrated to such amongst them who as was supposed might be Instruments to put a Stop thereto This being several times treated on by some I was desired and at length it became my Concern of Conscience to put Pen to Paper on that Subject which accordingly I did until at length I compleated an Historical Manuscript consisting of Three Parts In the First Part is manifest A Part of those Things wherein the Faithful were at Unity and by what Wayes and Means that Unity came to be broken In the Second Part are cited Many Papers Epistles Testimonies Proceedings and Practices which were the Effects of Disunion Separation and Division In the Third Part Certain Doctrines are treated on and that Sense manifested wherein they have been and are received believed and owned amongst the Children of Light who being not affected to leave that Teacher which cannot be removed into a Corner to follow the Dictates of such Men whose Doctrines and Practices do manifest them fallible have and do keep their Place and Habitation in the Unchangeable Truth After the said Manuscript was prepared Four Friends whereof my self was One writ unto George Fox and Two other Persons
viz. That 't is Folly and Hypocrisy to profess our selves Members of the True Church and yet not Believe thus as the True Church Believes Pag. 36. Sect. V. What we stand for viz. Truth and Righteousness and that Christ's Government may be exalted in every Heart under which we are Instructed not to depend on Man but on the sufficiency of Gods Grace Page 27. A Testimony against Tythes and for Meeting together in time of Persecution the neglect whereof may be the Fruit of Weakness or Disobedience Page 28. The Government of Christ and the Laws thereof are Inward some part of the Fruits brought forth under the said Government are Described Page 29. An Objection relating to the securing any part of a Mans Estate on a fore-Sight of a Premunire or Fines for Meeting Answered Page 31. Sect. VI. On the Occasion of an Objection raised touching the Sufficiciency of Gods Grace Unity is treated on from the words of Paul to the Corinthians that they should all speak one thing Page 36. Touching the Word Independency occasioned by a Publick Preacher Page 38. That leaving Friends to the Grace Light and Spirit of God is not the way to lead into Rantism Page 42 43. Sect. VII Touching Church Government and the meaning of the Word Church Government in the Sense of our Opposers as we on sufficient Ground take it layd down Page 44. Our denial of that meaning Page 46. Several Scriptures from whence a Proof for Church Government hath been pretended are treated on shewing that from thence no Pretence can be to claime a Power over Conscience or Outward Property Page 46 47. The Doctrine touching Power over Conscience and Outward Things relating to meum and tuum as R. B's Terms are which we therefore call Outward Property examined and testified against as contrary to the Principle of Truth and Liberty we have in Christ Jesus Page 47. Our Sense what ought to be done for the Decision of Controversy with Relation to Property between Brother and Brother Page 48. An Objection raised to this purpose that what is given forth by the Spirit through the Brethren ought to be obeyed and not accounted the Dictates of Fallible Men and that if thou see it not thy Duty to obey the reason is thy want of Diligence and not waiting in thy Measure and so no Plea for thy Disobedience is good Page 54. The said Objection Answered Page 54. An Examination from the Scriptures Whether Christ gave any Incouragement to his Disciples to become Rulers over one another Page 59. Sect. VIII A Manifestation that the variance hath originally Reason from a Different Sense touching George Fox the General Meeting or Womens Meeting Page 61. Sect. IX An Epistle evidencing the Qualifications of such whom Sathan makes use of to Rend and Divide the Church of Christ Page 68. A Paper given forth by Edward Burroughs Anno 1661. touching the Scattered in Israel wherein by a Parable is lively described a part of what hath happened amongst the Flock of God in these latter Days Pag. 78. The Conclusion manifesting several Passages very material and worthy Observation as a further Discovery of the Fruits and Cause of Division and in Particular what hath been the Bait whereby George Fox hath been Tempted and Ensnared Pag. 85. The FIRST PART OF THE Christian-Quaker Distinguished from the Apostate and Innovator c. SECTION I. The INTRODUCTION Wherein the Case is stated manifesting That there was an Union and the Wayes and Meanes by which it came to be broken TO all the faithfull People of God called Quakers throughout this Nation of England or else where we your Brethren do send greeting in the Lord breathing unto the God of our Lives that the same Everlasting Arm and Power whereby we have been gathered unto God and into an heavenly Fellowship and Vnion one with another in the Life of Righteousness may preserve us all to the End of our Days in the Bond of perfect Love each toward other establisht upon that sure Rock of Ages Christ Jesus against which the Gates of Hell never did can or shall prevail And in this Love our Desires are that the Faithful unto whom this Treatise is directed may communicate the same unto others as in the Wisdom and Love of God they may see a Service thereof Dear Friends and Bretheren WE are truly sensible that all those who keep their Place and Habitation in the unchangeable Truth have with us a Sence of the many Snares and Temptations whereby Satan hath endeavoured to betray the Innocent whose Faces have been Zion-ward And that his most subtil Invention hath been to appear as an Angel of Light thereby to turn those whose Hearts have been inclined to follow the Lord out of the way of Truth And now Friends that which in the Grief of our Hearts we have to signifie to you is this We are sensible that the Evil Seeds-man is crept in amongst many of those called Quakers who as we believe have in Days past walkt together in true Fellowship each with other and that in the sensible Feeling of that Immortal Life whereby we with them were knit and united together as Bone of one anothers Bone and Flesh of one anothers Flesh having the Evidence of such our heavenly Union springing from that which neither the Carnal Eye nor the Carnal Ear could be Witnesses of In order hereunto we have this following Observation to make That the day was wherein those very Persons amongst the People called Quakers who now are at great varience and out of Unity each with other were once in Unity and therefore we think necessary to lay down Viz. First Some part of those things touching which the Faithful were at VNITY Secondly By what Wayes and Means that VNITY came to be broken And so leave the Consideration thereof to the Consciences of all who profess the Truth that so in the Light of Christ Jesus they may weigh and consider Whether their Vnity stood in the unchangable Truth and which of these Parties now at variance deviated therefrom The Consideration of this Observation doth lead us in relation to the first perticular thus to testify Viz. That about Twenty Six Years past it pleased the Lord to send forth many faithful Labourers of the Gospel of Christ Jesus who in his Name Dread and Power testified that their CALL was not of MAN but of GOD and that their Message was both to the Professour and to the Prophane To the Prophane crying on this wise Turn from the Evil of your Wayes and Doings and meet the Lord by sudden Repentance of your open Transgressions To the Professours who were not in the Common Pollutions of the World on this wise Your Outward Forms your Outward Ordinances and Outward Church Fellowships they are even but as Rudiments of this World and the Lord hath no Regard thereto And to both of them Turn in your Minds to the Light of Christ Jesus that shines in your Consciences exalting the Measure
and Spirit of God may lead into Rantism and therefore 't is the Care of Faithful Brethren to appear as watch-men over the Flock that so none under pretence of being left to the Light may run into Loosness Lightness and Vanity saying The Light in my Conscience Condemns me not To this we say the Lord rebuke that Spirit that doth so much as Jealous that leaving People to the Light may lead into Rantism such a Sugestion is notoriously wicked since the Testimony of Truth hath been unto which we this day bear record that the Light is a Reprover of all Sin And as to the latter part of the Objection we say That those who are true Watchmen will as much as in them lyes use their Endeavours to bring the Flock to the Light to prove their Deeds whether they are wrought in God and not to Papers rather than to the Light as knowing this that every Work and Word brought forth by Man is but the Effect of what is first wrought in the Heart which nothing outward can be a Bond upon to alter and change and if we do but consider how Fruitless in daies and years that are past as well as in this present Age all Mans Outward endeavours under the notion of Church-Government hath been to preserve in a real true Heavenly Society it appears to us as a meer Badge of Apostacy for any to have a Dependency on any such meanes of Preservation And whereas it 's Jealous'd Some may run into loosness and say the Light in my Conscience condemns me not and therefore t is the care of Faithful Brethren to appear as Watchmen over the Flock We say so too and those who approve themselves Watchmen will endeavour to convince such who in very deed run into Loosness c. that though they may pretend the Light condemns them not yet that their deeds are Evil and that the Light doth condemn that same though they may be hardened and see it not and so endeavour to awaken the Conscience that Gods Witness may be heard for that nothing that is outward can be a Bond on such an one to forsake his Sin and imbrace the Truth SECT VII Touching Church-Government and the meaning of the word Church-Government in the sence of our Opposers as we on sufficient ground take it laid down Our denial of that meaning Several Scriptures from whence a Proof for Church-Government hath been pretended are treated on shewing that from thence no Pretence can be to claim a Power over Conscience or Outward Property The Doctrine touching Power over Conscience and outward things relating to Meum and Tuum as the Authors Terms are which we therefore call Outward Property Examined and testified against as contrary to the Principle of Truth and Liberty we have in Christ Jesus Our sense what ought to be done for the Decision of Controversy with relation to Property between Brother and Brother An Objection raised to this purpose That what is given forth by the Spirit through the Brethren ought to be obeyed and not accounted the Dictates of fallible Man and that if thou see it not thy Duty to obey the Reason is thy Want of Diligence and not waiting in thy Measure and so no Plea for thy Disobedience is Good The said Objection answered An Examination from the Scriptures Whether Christ gave any Incouragement to his Disciples to become Rulers over one another THis kind of Discourse we are ready to suppose may at length occasion from some such an Objection as this Object What are you not for Church-Government Answ To this we say We are for the Government of Christ knowing 't is his Right to Govern his Church Obj. This may some say is an evasive Answer to the Question and therefore may again reply Be plain and tell us Are you for Church-Government Answ For Answer then we say We ought to ask what is meant by the word Church-Government Since we find not the word in the Scriptures of Truth and it being a word mostly used under the profession of Christianity by such who have become Persecutors we are the more Jealous that Corruption Usurpation and Injustice may creep in by such who contend so much for Church-Government with respect to Outwards Forms of Government since the Form some take to Govern is in some respect worse than the Forms of Divers Apostate Christians take this for one instance amongst many more that might be given viz. Judging the Merit of a Cause without hearing both parties as may be sufficiently evidenced by the giving forth that Paper from Ellis Hookes his Chamber London the Twelfth of the Fourth Month 1677. and Subscribed by Charles Marshal and Sixty Five Persons more against two Antient and Honourable Brethren viz. John Wilkinson and John Story though not then present to speak for themselves nor yet ever spoken to by many of the said Sixty Six touching any Evil laid to their Charge Besides we do know that many of our Opposers who appear to us highly affected with Church-Government as in their account is established amongst us and that with respect to Outward Formes do in an high decree manifest a Spirit of Persecution by endeavouring to take away the good name of honest men by Lyes Slanders and False Accusations wherein our Opposers have been to our certain knowledge so industrious as that we have scarcily known their Peers in that evil Work which in many Sections of the Second Part of the first Manuscript made mention of in the Preface Particularly the 13th 18th 12th 22th is laregly evidenced and ready for the view of any Freind that may desire the perusal thereof though for the reasons mentioned in the Preface not herewith publisht And now as to the meaning of the word Church-Government in the sense of our Opposers we take it to be thus viz. That some who account themselves Members of the Body of Christ claime a Power to Rule over other some if not all the rest and to give forth Sentences Directions or Orders which they ought to own receive or obey though they may pretend they see it not their Duty If this be the meaning of the word Church-Government in the sense of our Opposers as we have cause to believe it is not only from R. B's Book of Government but also from what hath been said or propagated by others which we are Perswaded will appear to all impartial Readers who shall diligently and in an unprejudiced Spirit weigh the Second part of the said first Manuscript mentioned in the Preface which as we said before is ready for the perusal of any Friend desiring so to do though for the reason mentioned in the Preface not herewith publisht we then directly answer we are not for such a Church-Government This Subject whereof we are now treating being as some may comparatively say the very Hinge on which the present Controversy seems to depend we think it necessary to quote those Scriptures from whence so far as ever we
and by his Spirit we came to be baptized into one Body and so are center'd into the heavenly Fellowship of Christ's Body And as for thy saying A Belief in Certain Principles Doctrines and Practices necessarily depending thereon are the Termes and very Bond by which we became center'd into one Body and the Cause that gathered us this is not only wrong in it self though as is said before they may be the Fruit of the Bond but exactly like the False Churches in the World Papists and Protestants of all sorts in the Apostacy have Outward Marks and Tokens as being either of such an Order or having such a Commission or as believing in such Principles and submitting to such Practices and the like by which the Members of their Churches are described and therefore is it that amongst those there are outward Societies of Men certainly known as aforesaid according to the various Manners and Wayes which their Principles admit and allow of which are termed the Church of Christ and these have many Outward Orders Rules Prescriptions Ordinances Decrees or Laws for the Establishment and Preservation of their outward Society which being agreeable to the nature of their Constitutions may become fit means for the Conservation thereof but inasmuch as the Belief of certain Principles Doctrines and Practices necessarily depending thereon are not the very Terms or Bond to unite any in outward Assemblies whereby to assume unto themselves the Title of the Church of Christ for that if held in a pure Mind which is in the best Sense they are but the Fruit of that Bond and when held in an Impure Mind are no Indication that such are Members of Christs Church I cannot but say it is against right Reason for any to Prescribe and Establish Outward Indispensable Rules and Orders relating to the Conscience and in order to be a Bond thereon for the Conservation of Christs Body since 't is evident that the most certain and infallible Marks of Membership in the said Body are Invisible to the Outward Man though felt and known to the Inward Man of the Heart for though Actions outwardly just are many times the Fruit of the Spirit yet are not always certain Tokens that those through whom they appear are Members of Christs Body but those who are Circumcised in Heart and have the Answer of a Good Conscience towards God are the very Members of Christs Church and therefore the most proper Means for the preservation of such Members in the Unity of the Spirit and as Members of one Body is that whereby they came to be Circumcised in Heart and gathered unto the Truth which is no other but the Spirit and Arm of Gods Power which surrounds all those that wait upon him and have a daily Dependence upon the Lord with the Mind inwardly staid in the Measure of that Grace which the Apostle saith is sufficient for them and thus the Baptism of the Spirit will be witnessed continually in which every Member of Christs Body comes to be centered into an Heavenly Fellowship and Communion each with other in the Life of Righteousness The next thing I shall examine is whether R. B's Affirmative Answer to this Question viz. Whether the Church of Christ hath Power in any Cases that are Matters of Conscience to give postive Sentence and Decision which may be Obligatory upon Believers be agreeable to Truth and Sound Doctrine My Observation hereon is this That he hath not here adjoyned Inward Conviction whereby they might find Clearness in themselves to the Sentence of the Church as necessary to the Obligation he Intends and inasmuch as nothing without an Inward Clearness and Conviction can become a real and acceptable Bond upon a Believer to be at Unity with his Brethren in the Belief and Practice of Things relating to Conscience and that those who are found in the Practice of other Mens Lines before they have Faith therein may oft times run into the Sin of Hypocrisy even as others may into the Sin of Negligence who through Unwatchfulness to their own Measures want Clearness of Sight and Understanding to practise and joyn with those things which others waiting in their Own Measures may by the Spirit be led into Therefore I cannot but say that the Scope and Bent of his Spirit so far as from his words I can Savour in relation to this Matter are not agreeable to the Truth and Sound Doctrine And since it is so as R. B. observes Page 35. That God hath not given us our Reasons to no purpose I shall according to the Line of right Reason a little further Observe First I find R. B. treating in his 7th Section concerning the Power of Decision thus to say Page 66. The only proper Judge of Controversy in the Church is the Spirit of God and the Power of Deciding solely lies in it as having the only infallible Judgment belonging to it which Infallibility is not necessarily annexed to any Persons Person or Places whatsoever by Vertue of any Office Place or Station any one may have or have had in the Body of Christ that is to say that any have Ground to reason thus Because I am or have been such an Eminent Member therefore my Judgment is Infallible or because we are the greatest Number or that we live in such a noted or famous Place or the like though some of these Reasons may and ought to have their true weight in Case of Contradictory Assertions Thus the aforesaid Author From all which two things are Observable First That the afore-said Author accounts the Spirit the only Judge Secondly That though he affirms that the Church of Christ hath Power in Cases that are Matters of Conscience to give positive Sentences and Decision which may be Obligatory upon Believers yet through his whole Treatise I find not that he hath described who are the Persons that are the Church and where those Persons do usually Assemble as the Church of Christ and therefore though my very soul abhors lightly to esteem of the Elect of God or to undervalue the Power the Church of God either stands in or are indued with yet since I do know how dangerous a thing it is for any to burthen the Consciences of Gods People though under ever so specious Pretences and that when we speak of the Church of Christ we mean Visible Persons distinguisht as outward Persons by Names that may be known to the Outward Man though as Members of Christ's Body distinguisht not by such Names but by that Name which is written in Heaven and known to the Inward Man I cannot but query To what end doth the aforesaid Author assign the Decision of Cases of Conscience which are Matters certainly to be known so as to be binding on Believers to Judges so describ'd as that a greater Controversy may immediately arise upon the asking of this question Who or where those men are This instead of removing one Difference or clearing one Doubt may beget more
boldness affirm he cannot but then appear guilty of great Confusion a taste whereof the Reader may have by duely weighing my 6th and 9th Observations annexed to this his Postscript I have never found occasion to repent or retract any thing from the Matter or Principle there asserted by me but have the Testimony and Approbation of Gods Light and Spirit in my Heart for my Work and Service in that Matter Moreover albeit I laboured with all the Care and Circumspection I could so to express my self as not to offend in a word yet had I known or could have foreseen that any thing in the wording or expressing thereof would have Stumbled or hurt any I have that tenderness and hope allways to have to the least of the Houshold of Faith that I would have rather omitted or changed any such words or Expressions than ministred them any Occasion of Dissatisfaction And therefore I was not a little surprised when I understood that several Sheets of Paper were spread abroad in Opposition to that Book of mine at a time when I was wholly a Stranger to these Proceedings by reason of my Imprisonment for the Truths Sake especially W. R. a Person who not only to my self but afterwards before many Witnesses professed a singular respect and friendship to me [b] [b] The Reasons of spreading my Answer to a part of his Book of Government before 't was sent to him were these First I was concerned in Conscience to detect the Errours as expeditiously as I could Secondly I did not know where to send unto him supposing that at that time he was beyond the Seas and though 't is said in a Letter which is pretended to he mine though never signed nor publish't by me of which more anon that my publishing thereof before I gave R. B. notice of my Objections and Intentions therein was not according to Gospel Order yet I disown that Expression because it cannot be contrary to Gospel Order to detect by writing Errours relating to Doctrine and Discipline that are in print and yet without once acquainting me W. R's Second Observation Now what followed upon my meeting with that Person at London near two Years ago will appear by a Copy of W. R's own Letter annexed hereto and the Sense of those Brethren who were Witnesses to that Transaction So that resting thereupon in my own Innocency especially since those in such places where the greatest Dissatisfaction was said to be did for the most part signifie to me their Satisfaction I forbore hitherto to meddle any more in that matter hoping it might have dyed of it self and being Conscientiously gathered in that Spirit wherein I desired rather to bear than by seeking too earnestly to vindicate my self any ways advance or foment Controversies among Friends by multiplying Papers having some hope he might according to the advice of the Brethren have called in his Papers And as to what related to me [c] [c] If that pretended Letter of mine expresseth my Satisfaction as to the Soundness of his principles and his sense of things scrupled yet there is not a word in the said Letter signifying that I mistook his book and if upon the debate of that matter R. B. in words declared himself otherwise principled than his book taught yet I cannot but now say he hath given me just Occasion to impeach him for a man of a stretch'd Conscience in saying as aforesaid thus I have never found Occasion to repent or retract any thing from the Matter or Principles there asserted by me his Letter sufficing W. R's Third Observation wherein he expresseth my Sense of the things scrupled by him to his own Satisfaction and his Belief of the Soundness of my Principles and truly I have been so willing to starve that Spirit that hath any life in Divisions or Controversies of this kind either in my self or others that since I read those Papers of W. R. at London now near two Years ago I have not so much as once looked out upon them until now And albeit I might have mentioned that Transaction without any disadvantage to my self but otherwise as most if not all at present can testifie yea W. R's own Letter doth import [d] [d] R. B. now seems to proclaim his own Vertue in not mentioning unless on Enquiry the matter between us insinuating that he might have mentioned it without any Disadvantage to himself and that in my own Letter I imported so much This I affirm is but a further Confirmation to me of his stretch'd Conscience taking Liberty to vindicate himself from that which forever will lie upon him to his Just Defamation until he repent as cannot but appear to every impartial and understanding Reader who will be at the pains to peruse his Book of Government my Answer and his Explanatory Postscript with the Observations thereon Yet I do not remember W. R's Fourth Observation that I did ever so much as once mention it to any unless their Inquiry occasioned it yea I have wholly concealed it to this day from divers Friends in whom I am nearly concerned and whom I know would be very apt to justifie and commend my whole proceedure in that Matter so unwilling was I to fill the Minds of any with such things being otherways weightily concerned as well with the Inward Work of the Lord in my own Soul as in those Concerns of Truths Prosperity both abroad where I had a Service and at home with respect to the present continued Suffering Friends lie under here But since he hath so far walked in another Method as to labour to keep up the Remembrance of those things and busie the Minds of Friends with them having as I am informed made a further mention of these Papers to my Disadvantage I am constrained to say something in my own Defence and of the Truths asserted by me wherein as the Lord knows the Integrity of my Intentions and the Tenderness of my Heart so I hope my way herein will commend it self to that of God in the Consciences of all the tender-Hearted [e] [e] Here a Letter pretended to be mine is again brought as Evidence though nothing to the purpose as before in the third Observation appears and not only so but seems to insinuate as if what is declared in that pretended Letter to be his meaning he will now give under his own hand which is a meer Fallacy in several respects as anon will be made appear for that his Postscript doth not manifest himself principled as that Letter expresseth Witness the 6th and 9th Observations And albeit these things W. R's Fifth Observation which were chiefly scrupled at by any be suffiently cleared by W. R's own Letter yet that all may be satisfyed in having them from my own hand I am free to signifie this as to them only I will permise this to the serious Consideration of not a few who seemed to be startled at that Book who
thereof as given to every man to profit withal to be that Law that Order that Rule of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus unto which every one respectively ought to be subject and yield Obedience not by Constraint but of a willing Mind and that for Conscience sake And as we were so subject we became Members of that Body against which the Gates of Hell never did or can prevail nor yet against any one Member thereof whilest abiding on the Rock Christ which is that Body the unworthy Eaters discerned not And thus for many Years it continued amongst the Friends of Truth or Children of Light for so were we called in the beginning magnifying by their Testimonies Obedience unto the Light of Christ Jesus which as the Scripture Testifies lighteth every man that cometh into the World as the only RVLE and GOVERNOVR in the Church of God unto which whosoever took heed and was obedient was esteemed to live under the Government of Christ knowing and believing that as Christ's coming is to be waited for in the Hearts of the Sons and Daughters of Men so there his Governments to be exalted and that whosoever should endeavour by outward Ways and Means to establish an Outward Government and Outward Rules Orders Laws or Prescriptions over the Heritage of God under the Notion or Pretence of Christ's Government would be found Invaders of Christs Prerogative and building the things which in the Light of Christ Jesus had been often testifyed against as more agreable to the First Covenant than the Second under which we are and touching which 't is thus said by the Prophet I will put my Law in their inward Parts and write it in their Hearts and they shall teach no more every man his Neighbour and every man his Brother saying Know the Lord for they shall all know me from the least of them to the greatest of them saith the Lord. Jer. 31.33.34 In these things we with many others were at Unity We now recommend the same to every Conscience in the Sight of God whether this our Unity was not and yet is consisting with and agreeable to the unchangable Truth The next thing we are to treat upon is By what ways and means this Vnity came to be broken In order to the Discovery thereof we think it necessary to answer one Question which probably may be asked by some Persons who may not be sensible of such a Variance hinted at Viz. How doth it appear that there is such a great Difference and Dis-union To this we say The publick Testimoneis of many Persons in those publick Meetings for Worship where we have been conversant and that when many others not under the same Profession with us have been present against dark bad leavened rending dividing or seperate Spirits with Application to such who are under the Profession of Truth and as we believe have born the Brunt and Heat of the Day and do yet continue unchanged as to the Principle of Truth and as blameless in Life and Conversation as ever they were in dayes past when their Opposers were at Unity with them so far as we know doth evidently demonstrate that the Breach is not only very wide but so publick as it cannot but concern some of the wrongfully scandalized Party whereof we are a part as Men and as Christians for our Reputations or at least the Reputation of some of us in both respects have been struck at to appear thus publick in the Vindication of Truth and therefore having long born the Reproach and Scandal of Scandalous Tongues hoping that those who have so persecuted us and others our Brethren for whose sakes we also are the more concerned would have come to see their Error and repented do now think our selves oblieged for the Honour of Truth and Information of all the Friends thereof as well as for the sakes of such as have been betrayed and led from the Simplicity of the Gospel of Christ to proceed to manifest for what Cause both we and many other our Brethren in the Vnchangable Truth are accounted such dark leavened rending dividing and seperate Spirits which being truly stated the impartial Reader will easily discover by what ways and means the aforesaid Unity came to be broken and at whose Door that will lie and which of those divided Parties do yet stand in and for the unchangable Truth That the aforesaid Cause wherefore we and others are accounted dark leavened rending dividing or seperate Spirits may be the more clearly manifested 't is needfull to consider that some enquiring Reader may be ready to ask this Question What do you believe is meant by the words dark leavened rending dividing or seperate Spirits To this we answer that many signal and outward Demonstrations both by Words and Writings too large here to insert have been given us to believe that the Publishers of such Reflecting Expressions on many ancient and honorable Brethren who we believe have approved themselves to this day Faithful Labourers in the Gospel of Christ do intend that if any one who hath been convinced of the Truth as preached amongst us in the beginning doth scruple though conscientiously to put in practise the Outward Orders and Prescriptions of some Person or Persons taking upon him or them to give forth the same such an one may justly be accounted of a dark leaven'd rending dividing or seperate Spirit And though of our certain knowledge we can declare that the understandings of many are so enlightned by the Truth as clearly to discern a deceivable Spirit entring in by this Door yet we are sensible that there are many Honest-hearted Friends who being ignorant of many things that are come to our Knowledge may have a Dread upon them lest they Err in taking part either with one or tother Party until they have further enquired and satisfyed themselves and these peradventure may be ready thus to object and tell us Objection That they are informed that some of those whom we term some Persons taking upon them to give forth outward Orders and Priscriptions are such as usually frequent the General Meeting and have been ancient Labourers in the Gospel and have been Instruments to gather us from the Lo henes and the Lo theres to follow that Teacher that cannot be removed into a Corner and that the General Meeting is an Established Meeting and that they have Power to Command Govern and Rule over others and that 't is the Duty of others to Obey for we find as they may say Robert Barclay in his Book of Government which Friends ought not to Judge because 't was approved by the Second Days Meeting in London which is a Meeting of Ministring Friends to inform us Page 27 28. That the Apostles and Primitive Christians practised Order and Government in the Church that some did appoint and ordain certain things condemn and approve certain Practices as well as Doctrines by the Spirit of God that there lay an Obligation in point of Duty
upon some others to obey and submit and that such as are in the true Feeling and Sense will find it their places to obey and be one with the Church in such like cases and that its such that have lost their sense and feeling of the Life of the Body that discent and are disobedient under the false pretence of Liberty To this we answer First that General Meeting doth usually consist only of such Persons as pretend a Freedom in their Spirits to go thither or have Outward Business calling them to the place where it is usually held and though it hath been accounted a Meeting of Ministring Friends yet of late Years we are very certain it hath consisted and so for the future may of some other Persons professing the Truth that will take upon them to assemble amongst them and to be very plain we cannot but appeal to the Consciences of all such Honourable Friends who are both intelligent and impartial whether some who have usually there assembled or may pretend right to be Members thereof have not been false Accusers and Man-pleasers and many of them a sort of Persons who being Lovers of Preheminence and Time-servers take that as an Opportunity to appear unto others that which they are not in themselves On the whole matter 't is evident to us that some Persons uncertain in number as well as to Persons and Qualifications do take upon them to call themselves a General Meeting and though such when met may on that foot take upon them to ordain and appoint certain things condemn some Friends as Rending Seperate Spirits and approve of others as Faithfull Bretheren and that as they may say in the Name of the Lord yet it is not likely to have any more place with us on that account than if they spoke in their Own Name since 't was never evidenced to our Consciences that they had any Call from God to act and give forth all those things which they have taken upon them Objection But suppose some Persons in their respective Countries should undertake to Meet together Quarterly and at such Quarterly Meetins choose two Persons to go to the said General Meeting as was endeavoured the last Year To this we answer We deny that it can be agreeable to the Truth for such to assert that from thence they are invested with Power to Ordain and Appoint certain things unto which others as Members of Christs Body ought therefore to yeild Obedience whilst not perswaded by Christs Light in their Consciences of their Duty therein First Because though such Quarterly Meetings as men may be capable to choose Persons yet they are not capable to invest them with a suitable Power since 't is taken for granted that the Authority of all those Meetings ought to be the Power of God which man is not capable to confer neither have those Meetings affirmed they are Secondly Because no Outward Order Counsel or Advice is sufficient Ground for any man to Practise this or t'other thing so as thereby to find Acceptance with the Lord until the Conscience of such an one by the Light of Christ Jesus be convinced thereof For every Action in relation to the things of God that springs not from an enlightned convinced Conscience is but the fruit of a liseless Form without the Power and seems not to square with this Doctrine draw water out of your own Wells let it be your own and not anothers nor yet with that Doctrine which hath often been sounded in our Ears to gather us from the Lo heres and the Lo theres But yet we are sensible that this further Objection may be raised viz. Obj. * Note in the manuscriptfirst made mention of in the Preface the Ground of this Objection from the Words and Writings of divers Persons is cited out of the second part of the said Manuscript but their Names for the reasons in the Presace are omitted here 'T is true Friends in the Beginning were turned to the Light in their own Consciences as their Guide but when it pleased the Lord to gather so great a Number into the Knowledge and Belief of the Truth as were in few Years gathered then the Heavenly Motion came upon G. F. as the Lords Anointed and Chosen having the Care of the Churches as being the great Apostle of Christ Jesus and as one whom the Lord had ordained to be in that place amongst the Children of Light in this our Day as Moses was amongst the Children of Israel in his Day to set forth Methods and Forms of Church Government and to establish Monthly and Quarterly Meetings of Men and of Women distinct from Men and these Meetings since are called the Church whose Counsel Advice and Judgment as Occasion should offer is to be submitted unto by every one who professes himself a Member of the Church of Christ and that we ought to believe as the Church believes else why should an Eminent Friend in the sixteenth Page of his Bookthus say I affirm that the true Church is in the true Faith that is in God and we must either believe thus as the true Church believes or else it were but both a Folly and Hypocrisie to profess our selves Members thereof And so in the same Page proceeds to manifest that he who seems to own the Church of Christ as a Member of her and yet tells the World that it is a most dangerous position that we are to believe as the Church believes is a treacherous Enemy to the Church of Christ From this Objection these three Positions seem to be deducible First That the Lord hath ordained G. F. to be in that Place amongst the Children of Light in this our Day as Moses was amongst the Children of Israel in his Day Secondly That monthly and quarterly Meetings are called the Church and ought to be submitted to Thirdly That 't is Folly and Hypocrisy to profess our selves Members of the true Church and yet not believe thus as the true Church believes SECT II. An Answer to the First Position deducible from an Objection raised toward the conclusion of the first Section to wit That the Lord hath ordained G. F. to be in that place amongst the Children of Light in this our Day as Moses was among the Children of Israel in his Day THe Lord under the First Covenant promised To raise up a Prophet like unto Moses whom the People were to hear in all things Deut. 18.15 This Prophet spoken of was Christ Jesus who in the fullness of Time appeared upon the Earth and then 't was the Duty of the Sons and Daughters of Men to hearken unto his Voice since he ascended on high the Father according to the Testimony of his Son Christ hath sent unto us the Comforter the Spirit of Truth who is to lead and guide us into all Truth this Spirit we witness to be in us according to the Testimony of the Scriptures It shall be in you Our Testimony now is that it 's