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A54154 The invalidity of John Faldo's vindication of his book, called Quakerism no Christianity being a rejoynder in defence of the answer, intituled, Quakerism a new nick-name for old Christianity : wherein many weighty Gospel-truths are handled, and the disingenuous carriage of by W.P. Penn, William, 1644-1718. 1673 (1673) Wing P1305; ESTC R24454 254,441 450

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j._n parnell_n it_o seem_v say_v the_o bread_n that_o people_n break_v in_o that_o observation_n be_v outward_a natural_a and_o carnal_a this_o he_o count_v most_o heinous_a i_o tell_v he_o that_o the_o bread_n and_o wine_n be_v of_o a_o outward_a elementary_a nature_n and_o substance_n may_v in_o comparison_n of_o what_o they_o signify_v be_v very_o proper_o term_v natural_a and_o carnal_a upon_o which_o he_o bestow_v this_o reply_n after_o his_o wont_a modesty_n reply_v pag._n 69_o 70._o very_o well_o become_v penn_n know_v divinity_n and_o philosophy_n fire_n and_o air_n be_v of_o a_o elementary_a nature_n be_v fire_n and_o air_n therefore_o carnal_a rejoynder_n we_o will_v not_o that_o any_o shall_v think_v that_o we_o intend_v by_o natural_a and_o carnal_a the_o worst_a sense_n that_o may_v attend_v these_o word_n for_o sometime_o they_o import_v a_o wicked_a and_o accurse_a state_n but_o simple_o as_o they_o be_v oppose_v to_o thing_n supernatuaral_a and_o spiritual_a and_o in_o 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lord_n supper_n be_v the_o pope_n invention_n this_o i_o utter_o deny_v to_o have_v be_v deliver_v by_o vv._n smith_n and_o do_v require_v he_o in_o the_o view_n of_o the_o world_n to_o produce_v any_o such_o word_n out_o of_o the_o book_n of_o w._n smith_n or_o any_o other_o of_o our_o friend_n his_o reply_n be_v this_o reply_v p._n 70._o what_o w._n p_o insnuate_v i_o charge_v they_o with_o viz._n call_v the_o bread_n and_o wine_n christ_n bless_v the_o invention_n of_o the_o pope_n i_o be_o as_o little_a concern_v to_o make_v proof_n of_o as_o he_o be_v honest_a to_o make_v report_n of_o for_o my_o book_n lay_v no_o such_o thing_n to_o their_o charge_n rejoynder_n what_o a_o silly_a evasion_n be_v this_o do_v he_o not_o charge_v we_o with_o call_v the_o bread_n &_o wine_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n the_o pope_n invention_n and_o do_v he_o now_o tax_v my_o honesty_n in_o say_v that_o he_o make_v we_o to_o call_v he_o bread_n and_o wine_n christ_n bless_v the_o invention_n of_o the_o 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