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irene_n &_o constantino_n filio_fw-la eius_fw-la septima_fw-la &_o universalis_fw-la ab_fw-la ipsis_fw-la appellata_fw-la est_fw-la ut_fw-la nec_fw-la septima_fw-la nec_fw-la aliquid_fw-la diceretur_fw-la quasi_fw-la superuacua_fw-la ab_fw-la omnibus_fw-la nimirum_fw-la patribus_fw-la concilij_fw-la francfordiensis_n abdicata_fw-la est_fw-la vrsperg_n pag._n 176._o in_o which_o word_n of_o what_o soever_o council_n urpergensis_fw-la intend_v to_o speak_v yet_o none_o of_o they_o mention_v the_o council_n of_o nyce_n as_o all_o those_o who_o understand_v latin_a may_v easy_o perceive_v and_o if_o sir_n hunfrey_n will_v reply_n and_o say_v that_o though_o that_o author_n do_v not_o mention_v the_o nycene_n council_n in_o word_n yet_o do_v he_o sufficient_o declare_v his_o meaning_n to_o be_v of_o no_o other_o council_n than_o the_o seeond_n nycene_n synod_n in_o regard_n he_o affirm_v it_o to_o have_v be_v under_o irenne_n and_o her_o son_n and_o the_o same_o which_o be_v condemn_v in_o the_o council_n of_o francford_n i_o anser_fw-la that_o by_o reason_n this_o author_n do_v utter_a twoe_o thing_n which_o seem_v to_o imply_v contradiction_n to_o wit_n that_o this_o council_n be_v assemble_v at_o constantinople_n and_o yet_o that_o it_o be_v the_o same_o which_o be_v reject_v by_o the_o council_n of_o francford_n it_o evident_o follow_v that_o no_o certain_a argument_n can_v be_v draw_v from_o his_o word_n whatsoever_o his_o meaning_n be_v and_o this_o be_v sufficient_a to_o show_v that_o he_o be_v cite_v in_o vain_a by_o the_o knight_n second_o i_o say_v not_o obstanding_n uspergensis_fw-la hallucination_n and_o suppose_v he_o do_v true_o mean_a that_o the_o council_n of_o nyce_n concern_v the_o adoration_n of_o image_n be_v reprove_v by_o the_o synod_n of_o francford_n as_o some_o other_o author_n admit_v in_o their_o disputation_n with_o the_o sectary_n of_o our_o time_n yet_o do_v this_o nothing_o avail_n our_o adversary_n cause_n both_o in_o respect_n the_o synod_n of_o francford_n be_v not_o accept_v by_o the_o romanist_n for_o a_o authentical_a council_n in_o this_o particular_a as_o alsoe_o for_o that_o as_o some_o opinate_a it_o proceed_v upon_o false_a information_n and_o persuasion_n that_o the_o foresay_a synod_n of_o nyce_n have_v decree_v that_o image_n be_v to_o be_v adore_v with_o divine_a honour_n and_o by_o this_o mean_v the_o father_n and_o doctor_n there_o assemble_v be_v deceive_v and_o commit_v a_o error_n of_o fact_n which_o error_n nevertheless_o neither_o can_v nor_o aught_o to_o prejudice_n that_o doctrine_n which_o be_v before_o establish_v by_o a_o authentical_a general_a council_n as_o be_v the_o second_o synod_n consist_v of_o a_o happy_a conjunction_n of_o both_o the_o latin_n &_o grecian_a church_n as_o of_o sune_n and_o moon_n and_o the_o reader_n may_v see_v that_o sir_n humphrey_n have_v both_o deal_v some_o thing_n insincere_a in_o the_o allegation_n of_o vspergensis_n and_o alsoe_o have_v proceed_v 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heretic_n neither_o obey_v scripture_n nor_o tradition_n both_o which_o s._n irenaeus_n do_v express_o embrace_v and_o by_o this_o let_v the_o reader_n judge_v how_o intempestive_o the_o knight_n do_v produce_v this_o testimony_n against_o those_o i_o mean_v the_o romanist_n who_o neither_o reject_v the_o scripture_n nor_o approve_a tradition_n but_o like_o twoe_o individed_a companion_n receive_v they_o both_o and_o let_v he_o alsoe_o consider_v whether_o the_o doctrine_n of_o holy_a irenaeus_n in_o this_o place_n be_v not_o far_o more_o contrary_a to_o the_o tenet_n of_o the_o pretend_a reformer_n then_o to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n who_o make_v only_a scripture_n expound_v according_a to_o their_o own_o sense_n the_o sole_a rule_n of_o faith_n especial_o consider_v that_o the_o same_o ancient_a father_n in_o the_o next_o ensue_a chapter_n do_v express_o receive_v apostolical_a tradition_n say_v in_o the_o very_a first_o word_n traditionem_fw-la itaque_fw-la 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text_n of_o the_o sixth_o of_o s._n john_n do_v according_a to_o the_o interpretation_n of_o s._n augustin_n but_o only_o make_v question_n of_o the_o real_a presence_n or_o possibility_n of_o christ_n give_n his_o body_n to_o be_v eat_v not_o otherwise_o they_o in_o that_o gross_a manner_n which_o they_o then_o conceive_v in_o their_o mind_n whereas_o yet_o the_o knight_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o his_o congregation_n direct_o &_o absolute_o affirm_v that_o christ_n body_n and_o blood_n be_v as_o far_o from_o be_v real_o contain_v in_o the_o sacrament_n as_o heaven_n be_v from_o the_o altar_n or_o communion_n table_n and_o thus_o it_o appear_v that_o by_o endeavour_v to_o make_v we_o capharnaite_n sir_n humphrey_n show_v great_a grossness_n of_o conceit_n they_o the_o gross_a capharnaite_n do_v by_o deny_v the_o real_a presence_n upon_o the_o same_o or_o like_a carnal_a imagination_n for_o for_o which_o he_o and_o his_o mate_n renounce_v it_o from_o this_o sir_n humphrey_n pass_v to_o 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intention_n of_o the_o minister_n in_o administration_n of_o sacrament_n they_o be_v so_o ignorant_a &_o sotish_a as_o i_o be_o ashamed_a to_o rehearse_v they_o for_o example_n when_o he_o say_v that_o if_o the_o priest_n fail_v in_o his_o intention_n at_o the_o time_n of_o solemnisation_n of_o matrimony_n the_o marry_a people_n live_v all_o their_o day_n in_o adultery_n or_o fornication_n which_o be_v a_o most_o gross_a error_n in_o the_o knight_n for_o that_o the_o romanist_n &_o the_o reformer_n agree_v in_o this_o that_o although_o matrimony_n be_v no_o sacrament_n &_o consequent_o that_o the_o marry_a people_n shall_v not_o receive_v it_o as_o a_o sacrament_n yet_o be_v it_o sufficient_a to_o free_v they_o from_o adultery_n in_o regard_n they_o receive_v it_o at_o the_o least_o as_o a_o civil_a contract_n whatsoever_o the_o priest_n intention_n be_v and_o if_o it_o be_v not_o so_o certain_o all_o sectary_n of_o this_o time_n &_o particularilie_o sir_n humphrey_n himself_o for_o one_o shall_v live_v perpetuallie_o in_o that_o damnable_a state_n of_o adultery_n which_o he_o mention_v and_o yet_o this_o sequel_n i_o be_o sure_a it_o import_v he_o to_o deny_v as_o earnest_o as_o he_o can_v if_o it_o be_v but_o only_o for_o the_o conservation_n of_o his_o own_o &_o his_o wife_n honour_n and_o the_o like_a foolish_a &_o false_a inference_n he_o make_v about_o all_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o sacrament_n as_o also_o about_o the_o succession_n of_o the_o pope_n &_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n as_o if_o by_o the_o confession_n of_o romanist_n themselves_o there_o be_v no_o certainty_n in_o any_o of_o they_o whereas_o yet_o he_o himself_o cit_v bellarmin_n in_o this_o very_a place_n as_o teach_v that_o in_o all_o these_o thing_n there_o be_v at_o least_o moral_a &_o sufficient_a certainty_n of_o their_o real_a existence_n &_o truth_n 28._o certitudine_fw-la autem_fw-la moralem_fw-la &_o humanam_fw-la quae_fw-la sufficit_fw-la &_o ut_fw-la homo_fw-la quiescat_fw-la 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pretence_n for_o in_o the_o very_a precedent_n lection_n to_o that_o which_o he_o cite_v against_o us._n biel_n resolve_v the_o question_n in_o our_o favour_n say_v whence_o it_o be_v apparent_a that_o our_o prayer_n &_o hope_v of_o obtain_v beatitude_n by_o the_o mediation_n of_o the_o saint_n be_v not_o void_a in_o heaven_n but_o by_o order_n constitute_v by_o god_n himself_o we_o ought_v to_o recurre_v to_o their_o help_n &_o assistance_n &_o perpetuallie_o implore_v they_o with_o due_a veneration_n that_o we_o may_v be_v save_v by_o their_o merit_n in_o which_o word_n &_o the_o rest_n follow_v i_o be_o sure_a there_o be_v sufficient_a to_o make_v the_o author_n a_o plain_a papist_n yea_o &_o much_o more_o than_o sir_n humphrey_n desire_v to_o hear_v in_o favour_n of_o the_o roman_a doctrine_n &_o so_o it_o be_v clear_a he_o have_v corrupt_v his_o sense_n and_o now_o for_o his_o word_n he_o have_v likewise_o corrupt_v they_o most_o perverselie_o by_o displace_v &_o tranfer_v they_o 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be_v utter_v by_o their_o author_n many_o line_n after_o &_o to_o a_o other_o purpose_n where_o ansering_a to_o the_o question_n before_o propose_v he_o say_v thus_o vnde_fw-la probabiliter_fw-la dicitur_fw-la etc._n etc._n whence_o it_o be_v probable_o say_v that_o although_o it_o do_v not_o necessary_o follow_v the_o beatitude_n of_o the_o saint_n that_o they_o hear_v our_o prayer_n by_o congruity_n yet_o god_n almighty_a revel_n unto_o they_o all_o that_o be_v offer_v unto_o they_o by_o man_n all_o which_o particular_n concern_v the_o corruption_n of_o this_o place_n by_o the_o guilie_o knight_n may_v more_o plain_o be_v perceive_v in_o the_o author_n himself_o than_o i_o can_v possible_a here_o express_v as_o for_o the_o master_n of_o sentence_n &_o scotus_n in_o the_o 45._o d._n of_o the_o four_o book_n although_o perchance_o they_o seem_v to_o one_o that_o read_v they_o superficiallie_o not_o to_o speak_v with_o certainty_n of_o the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n yet_o to_o the_o anttentive_a reader_n it_o appear_v clear_o they_o both_o suppose_v for_o certain_a &_o of_o which_o they_o frame_v no_o disputation_n that_o the_o angel_n &_o saint_n hear_v our_o prayer_n &_o that_o we_o lawful_o &_o profitable_o pray_v unto_o they_o of_o which_o point_v it_o be_v most_o undoubtedlie_o to_o be_v suppose_v that_o those_o two_o author_n can_v not_o be_v ignorant_a nor_o maintain_v the_o negative_a part_n in_o regard_n the_o public_a litany_n in_o which_o the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n be_v expresselie_o include_v be_v use_v in_o the_o church_n long_o before_o their_o day_n as_o history_n so_o common_o testify_v that_o i_o need_v not_o produce_v they_o beside_o that_o the_o writing_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n who_o sentence_n peter_n lombard_n professedlie_o collect_v as_o much_o as_o be_v for_o his_o purpose_n &_o of_o which_o scotus_n can_v not_o be_v ignorant_a be_v full_a of_o the_o same_o doctrine_n as_o in_o our_o catholic_a controvertist_n may_v easy_o appear_v to_o the_o reader_n and_o therefore_o whereas_o the_o master_n use_v the_o word_n non_fw-la est_fw-la incredibile_fw-la &_o scotus_fw-la probabile_fw-la est_fw-la they_o speak_v not_o either_o of_o the_o absolute_a invocation_n of_o saint_n or_o of_o our_o prayer_n unto_o they_o of_o which_o neither_o of_o they_o propose_v the_o question_n but_o they_o apply_v those_o word_n to_o the_o manner_n only_o of_o their_o understanding_n our_o intercession_n and_o therefore_o the_o master_n put_v the_o title_n of_o the_o question_n thus_o â—…ent_n quomodo_fw-la sancti_fw-la glorificati_fw-la audiunt_fw-la preâ—es_fw-la supplicantium_fw-la magister_fw-la inâ—it_fw-la â—it_z quaest_a â—…_n 45._o in_o 4._o â—…ent_n quomodo_fw-la how_o or_o in_o what_o manner_n or_o by_o what_o mean_n do_v the_o saint_n hear_v our_o prayer_n &_o how_o they_o interce_v for_o we_o unto_o our_o lord_n to_o which_o he_o anser_n it_o be_v not_o incredible_a that_o the_o saint_n which_o in_o the_o secret_a of_o the_o face_n of_o god_n enjoy_v
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which_o do_v quite_o destroy_v it_o if_o he_o have_v his_o dye_n about_o he_o to_o perceive_v it_o to_o the_o word_n cite_v by_o sir_n humphrey_n page_n 263._o concern_v image_n biel_n subjoin_v these_o nec_fw-la tamen_fw-la propter_fw-la haec_fw-la imagine_v proijciendae_fw-la sunt_fw-la aut_fw-la de_fw-la oratorijs_fw-la eliminandae_fw-la occasione_n idololatriae_fw-la devitandae_fw-la aut_fw-la peregrinationes_fw-la ad_fw-la certas_fw-la imagine_v vel_fw-la certa_fw-la loca_fw-la praesertim_fw-la consecrata_fw-la vel_fw-la etiam_fw-la consecranda_fw-la penitus_fw-la reprehendenda_fw-la non_fw-la enim_fw-la usque_fw-la quaque_fw-la negandun_v est_fw-la quin_fw-la in_o certis_fw-la locis_fw-la singulariter_fw-la reluceant_fw-la beneficia_fw-la &_o maiora_fw-la crebrius_fw-la quam_fw-la in_o alijs_fw-la vel_fw-la propter_fw-la imagine_v sanctorum_fw-la reliquias_fw-la ibi_fw-la conditas_fw-la vel_fw-la occulta_fw-la ministeria_fw-la alius_fw-la mysteria_fw-la futuris_fw-la 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