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A05364 A consultation what faith and religion is best to be imbraced. Written in Latin by the R. Father Leonard Lessius, Professour in Diuinity, of the Society of Iesus. And translated into English by W.I. Lessius, Leonardus, 1554-1623.; Wright, William, 1563-1639. 1618 (1618) STC 15517; ESTC S105037 99,482 276

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away that maketh to the substance of doctrine All this cannot to be known by Scripture but proued only by certaine humane weake coniectures if you take away the traditions of the Church and so the whole foundatiō of our fayth shall rely vpon vncertaine coniectures Moreouer the vertue and efficacy of the Scripture consisteth not in the sound of the words but in the sense meaning which is the life and soule of the Scripture But there may be a thousand controuersies about the sense which cannot in any sort be decided by the Scripture it selfe if you take a way Traditions and the exposition of the Fathers as experience teacheth For about the sense of these words Hoc est Corpus meum and of many more there is most eager disputation betwene the Lutherans and Caluinists c. If you say with Caluin that the iudgment touching the Scriptures and the vnderstanding of them belongeth to an inward spirit this is nothing but the dictamen of an internall spirit that is for the priuate iudgment of euery particular person to set down the first rule how to beleeue For euery one may say that he hath the spirit and by the inspiration therof can iudge and determine that this part or booke is holy Scripture and not that that this is the sense not that So a● Lutheran out of his spirit giueth iudgment In prologonou● Testamer ti that S. Iames Epistle is a strawy Epistle and the Apocalyps of S. Iohn of doubtfull authority But the Caluinist out of his soiri● iudgeth the one and the other to be the word of God So Luther out of his spirit iudgeth that this false opinion is to be abolished that there be foure Gospells for that S. Iohns Gospell is but one faire true and principall and to be far preferred before the other three In like manner S. Paules and S. Peters epistles do sar go beyond sayth be the three Gospells of Mathew Marke and Luke He would willingly haue reiected them because they plainely proue establish the merit and necessity of good works and the obseruation of the commaundements and do recommend chastity and pouerty But when he durst not cleane reiect them he would extennate their authority and insinuate that they were not written with the spirit of God In like maner Caluin out of his own sense iudgeth that these words Hoc est Corpus meum haue this meaning This breed is the figure of my body and Luther will haue it This bread is truly my body I omit other thing without nūber by which it appeareth that euery ones priuate iudgment is proposed for arule of beleefe or which is the same that the Scripture it selfe is expounded and interpreted according to euery ones priuate iudgment Secondly that is not any fit rule of beliefe that is a like accommodated to contrary doctrines but the scripture is accommodated to contrary Religions and doctrines for as much as all the Sects of this time though they do in an hostile manner dissent and contend in very many and those the most inportant heads and grounds do neuertheles make this rule to serue their turne and doe vse it for the mantayning of their opinions and heresyes For the Lutherans say they rely vpon Scripture the Caluinists affirme the same the Anabaptists also are nothing behind them in auerring that the Scriptures be for them And no meruaile because euery one of them taketh and interpreteh the Scripture not conforme to the comon vnderstanding of the Church or the common exposition of the Fathers as do the Catholikes but according to the sense of euery priuate spirit in which sort it may bee easilie accommodated to all heresies Whence it is euident that this rule so taken serueth not the turne whiles all is reduced to the iudgment of euery ones priuate spirit Thirdly if there were some iudge who in euery Controuerly wherein he were to giue sentence should so doe it as it could not be certainly vnderstood for whether party he pronounced the sentence but both partyes should contend that the matter were adiudged and determined on their side and that the sentence of the Iudge was expresly plainly pronounced for them such an one in the opinion of all men could not be thought a competent Iudge sith no matter in cōtrouersie could bee determined or ended by sentence giuen by him For after sentence there would bee as greata contention about the sentence it selfe whether of them it might seeme to fauour as there had been before about the right that ech party had And such a Iudge is Holy Scripture if you take away the Churches interpretation and declaration and the exposition of the holy Fathers for as much as the sentence therof is euer such as it cannot bee euident to both parties whether of them it fauoureth whiles the one and the other doth stifly maintaine that it is most plaine that it holdeth and standeth for them And hence it is that controuersies bee neuer ended and therefore it is not onely a vaine but also a ridiculous thing to appoint the Scripture alone for Iudge For in euery controuersy there ought such a Iudge to be designed who may so giue sentence as it may be manifest to all and most of all to those parties on whose behalf the cause is adiuged otherwise such a controuersy can neuer be ended Wherfore those who make the Scripture alone the Iudge of matters in question do therin plainely manifest that they admit not any iudge at all by whome the cause may be determined besids their priuate iudgment alone For they do as if Titus and Caius hauing a suite at Law would not haue any other Iudge in the matter but Iustinian his Code together with the Pandects without hauing any thing to do with the interpretation of Doctors and Titus producing for his owne right some law should by it maintayne that the cause was manifestly adiudged for him And Caius againe should deny it who by citing an other law for himselfe should say that it was cleare that that law fauoured made for him which Titus would in lake manner deny and so they should both depart without any decision of the cause or controuersy in hand would it not be a matter worthy of laughter and all would say that neyther of them desired the determination or decision of the cause And that neyther admitted other Iudge then his owne iudgment In the very like manner in this that they wil not haue any other Iudge then Scripture and euery one reserueth the interpretatiō thereof to his owne spirit they plainely shew that they haue no will that the cause should be decided or defined by any lawfull way nor to admit any Iudg but their owne iudgment Fourthly how very insufficient this rule of beliefe is experience it selfe plainely teacheth For we see that there is not any end of controuersies among them euen about the greatest matter of fayth sith at this very tyme the Lutherans Caluinists
therfore can be giuen why thou shouldest imbrace or prefer any one of all these religions before another for that euery one of them do both brag and boast that the word of God makes for thē that they haue the spirit of God that the sense of Scriptures is perspicious for their doctrine and what soeuer is contrary herto is false and manifestly repugnant to holy Writte Nor haue they any other proofe for all this thē that it is euident to him that hath the spirit And seing then that euery one of these Sectaries do alleage the selfe same reason for their doctrine and do build vpon the selfe same foundation it followeth therfore necessarily that thou must either imbrace all these religions or els none of them But Catholike religion doth far otherwise proue their opinions and doctrine to wit out of Holy Scripture expounded according to the common sense vnderstanding of the Ancient Fathers and by the doctours of all ages by the sanctity miracles and prophetical spirit of all such as haue imbraced this religion as also by the constancy and vniformity of doctrine in all ages by the purity of life wherunto she leadeth and lastly by the conuersion of Nations and who haue bin conuerted vnto this doctrine IX CONSIDERATION From diuers Causes and Reasons for which these new doctrines are to be suspected and shunned ALL other Religions but the Catholike and namely the Lutheran Caluinian and Anabaptisticall of which principally we treat in this place are worthily to be suspected and as hereticall sects are to be shunned for many reasons which heere I meane briefly to ponder and recount The I. Reason Deduced from Nouetty ALL Nouelty and as S. Gregory Nazianzen calleth it new Inuention in euery Common wealth but specially in matters of religion is to be shunned Christiā Religion is a thing most ancient solid vnchangeable and durable to the worlds end it being the forme vigour and as it were the very life of Christs Church For as flesh by life is quickened in a liuing man euen so is the Assembly of men in Christs Church by religion which otherwise of it selfe is only flesh formed into a spirituall Kingdome And againe as the Church kingdome of Christ is a thing most ancient and indeleble Against which Church the gates of hell shall not preua●le Matt. 16. vlt. and to whome Christ prom●sed his assistance to the worlds end Euen so is religion vpon which the Church kingdom of Christ doth stand firme stedfast Nouelty therfore is repugnant to the religion of Christ Now that these religions are new it is manifest First for that we can nominate and bring forth their first Authors tyme place and maner how they were brought first in and who they were that opposed themselues against them what great styrres and troubles also were raised euery where about them and lastly how and by whome they where condemned as noueltyes and heresies And what can be a more manifest signe of nouelty then this In like maner all other heresies that haue byn brought in against the Apostolike doctrine of Christ are conuinced of nouclty for that we can shew what tyme euery one of them began in what place who was the Author who were the opposers therof and lastly by whome they were condemned of nouelty Secondly before the yeare of our Lord 1517. Lutheranisme was neuer heard of in the world nor likewise Caluinisme nor Anabaptisme which are the daughters of Lutheranisme For that it is manifest out of Authors that when Luther first began to peepe out his head there was no other religion known to be exercised in the world besides the Iewish Mahometan and Pagan but the Catholike and that of the Hussites Thirdly if yow say that any of these Religions for examples sake the Lutheran alwayes was but yet lay hid then I aske in what place the same lay hid in what kingdome or towne and who were the patrons defenders therof Againe how know yow that this religion was before when as the same cannot be knowne but by some authors who do not so much as insinuate any such thing but the quite contrary Furthermore wheras in euery age and place there haue byn Inquisitours of hereticall noueltyes by what meanes then could this religion ly hid for so many ages that it should neuer be discouered or that neuer any one of the followers or teachers therof should fall into their hands and be punished Surely neuer any hereticall Sect could yet ly hid so cunningly but that she should often haue byn deprehended and publikely called into examination and question Moreouer if before Luther that Religion had byn in the world how chance that the followers therof who had hitherto layn hidden did not then come publikely forth when Luther began to preach and acknowledge him for the Doctour of their faith League-maker of their religion How hapned it then that they came not abroad in publicke and imbraced him as their fellow and Patrone who had now at last set at liberty this their Religion so long before layn hidden and oppressed in secret corners But no such appeared that were euer followers of that Religion before but that as many as ioyned themselues with Luther De Missa Angulari lib. 2. cont Zuingl did professe Catholike religion before as Luther himselfe was also Catholike before and a Friar who for 15. yeares togeather had daily and denoutly said masse as himselfe confesseth By all which it is more cleere then the sunne that Luthers Religion is altogether new and was not knowne vnto the world before his tyme nor that there was any company of men no not perhaps so much as any one particular person before Luther who professed the same Religion that is to say held all and euery of the same heads of beliefe or the same body of doctrine which Luther did And although Luther tooke some of his opinions from the old heretikes notwithstanding Lutheranisme is not therfore the same Religion with that of the old heretikes but only in part for that a Religion is the imbracing and comprehending of al the heads of beliefe which are ordayned and determined to belong to faith but none before Luther did euer teach this imbracing of opinions The same is likewise conuinced by another reason for that it is manifest that the Ancient Fathers and doctors of all ages were not of Luthers religion seing they teach Frewil necessity of good workes Merit of life euerlasting and possibility of the Diuine Law They do also allow of the Inuocation of Saints worship and honour of holy reliques Images sacrifice of masse for the quicke and dead Order of ministers in the Church monasticall vowes Euangelicall Counsells the fast of Lent and the like all which things the Lutheran Religion doth reiect as superstitions impious and iniurious to God Now that the ancient Fathers did professe and allow all these things before rehearsed is most manifest out of their owne wrytings
religion hath shined with the greatest glory of miracles of wisdome and of sanctity of her followers throughout all former ages and doth at this day also shine it is needfull therfore of greater and more euident miracles now wherby lawfully put her out of possession and reiect her as also there is more need of greater knowledg sanctity and publike fame in the followers of these new religions now then euer was in the old And lastly if the religion of the old Testament amongst the Iewes was to be changed and that they were to passe from a shaddow to the truth or from a type or patterne to the true sampler it selfe although our Lord might most clerly haue conuinced and shewed out of the Scriptures that this mutation and change was to be made and that himselfe was sent of God for the same purpose he thought good notwithstanding to cōfirme the same with very māy most wonderfull miracles that there might be left vnto them no occasion of doubt or turning backe how greatmiracles then shall we thinke to be needfull now for the changing of religion in the new Testament when as the Scriptures do cleerly denounce that there thalbe no more changes made but that God wil be present with her for her assistance to the worlds end and that the gates of hell shall not preuaile against her For what wisdome were it for any man to belieue so great a thing so new and paradoxicall so much against Scripture and iudgment of all the ancientt Fathers without extraordinary great miracles Nay what miracles can there be great inough to make a man at least probably to belieue so strang a thing Heerhence it is manifest that we haue great cause to require of them such miracles and that they deale perfidiously with vs when as they would haue vs to giue them credit in matters of so great importance without miracles and vnlesse we do belieue all vpon their bare word they presently raise vp grieuous presecutions against vs. But they will say Whether do they proue ther doctrine out of the Scriptures We proue our opinions and doctrine out of the Scripture Be it so but yet according to your owne sense and iudgment and not according to the consent of the Ancient Holy Fathers and the receaued Doctors of the Church who liued before these our controuersies so could not be any way partial therin Againe their arguments like vnto spiders webbs are very easily dissolued by Catholike Doctors besides that there are so many new Reformers sprong vp within these 80. or 90. yeares so many repayrers of the decayed Church so māy reniuers of the extinct Religion who also be most contrary one to anothers and what one buildeth vp another pulleth downe yet notwithstanding do they all confirme their opinions out of the Scriptures all do rest vpon her testimony alone all do make Scripture the only foundation of their building and therfore the proofe of all is to be admitted or of none And lastly seing that nothing is to be belieued vnlesse Scripture say it Where I pray yow doth it say that you or he or such a one was sent of God for the reforming and restoring of the decayed Church and Religion They will say Whether it be a miracle to haue many followers perhaps that they want not miracles for that it is a very great miracle that in so short tyme so many haue imbraced this new Ghospell And this perhaps might haue some colour if their religion were more austere and strict vnto the flesh then is the Catholike But seing that this their new Doctrine doth banish all austerity and sharpnes of the Catholike Religion and giue all liberty to the flesh what miracle is it if many follow and imbrace the same what meruayle is it if weighty things fal to the ground when as their props be takē away or that riuers run into the sea their dāmes stops remoued our corrupt nature doth most of all incline to liberty which it findeth in these new religions and therfore we do the soner imbrace and follow them not because we being persuaded by the force of reason do belieue that they are more holy but because we find in them that which we sought for and that which without feare we might enioy vnder the colour of religion and piety Moreouer this miracle may aswel be brought on the behalfe of all the Sectes of all these new Reformers as of one for that many haue ioyned themselues not only to the Caluinists but also to the Lutherans and Anabaptistes and therfore they must be all holy and come from God as their Author But God cannot deny himselfe nor destroy that which he hath established and therfore cannot be Author of so contrary religions the one damning the other to the pit of hell The V. Reason From the Conditions of their Liues and Manners THE fifth reason is because that these Religions were brought in by men of bad life and such as were noted of infamy pride enuy and notorious detraction giuing shew of nothing lesse then an Apostolicall Spirit For as for Luther we know that he was somtymes a professed Monke and Priest thet by bound with a double vow of continency We know also that leauing his Monastery and casting of his habit and profession be returned to a secular life againe where ioyning himselfe to a professed Nunne whome he enticed out of her Cloister he liued dayly in her company by which fact in the iudgment of all the world he committed a twofold synne of Sacriledge and did alway reiterate the same as often as he abused her body What manner of life can be more scandalous then this Moreouer we know that he was so exceedingly giuen to good cheere and lust that he was dayly occupied in banquetting and drunkennesse (a) lib de vita coniugali affirming that a woman was more necessary then to eat drinke or sleep that it was (b) Serm. de matrimonio lawfull to vse the maid if the wife refused to do her duty The life of Caluin is written by Hieronymus Bolsecus Iulius Brigerus and others being full of most notorious wickednes to wit false accusations of others murthers robberyes filthy and lewd behauiour all which things haue byn obiected against him by diuers wryters wherunto I could yet neuer see any answere Of Luthers infamy it is manifest to all the whole world that wheras he being a professed Monke and a Priest he ioyned himselfe to a professed Nunne which fact by the iudgment of all learned Doctors purchaseth infamy For if by the Emperours lawes that man be infamous who is taken in adultery L. Palam S. Quiin adulterio ff de ritu nuptiarum how much more is he infamous that hath twice contracted sacrilegious mariage and dayly vseth sacrilegious copulation For that it is a far more filthy thing to be an Adulterer of Christ then an Adulterer of the wife or husband The infamy of
authority of a Greek and Latin Copyes in the Dutch Bible translateth it thus Hoc significat Corpus meum This signifieth my body In the 2. Act. 27. where it is said Non derelinques animam meam in inferno Thou wilt not leaue my soule in hell Beza translateth it thus Non relinques cadauer meū in sepulchro Thou wiltnot leaue my carcasse in the graue changing the greek word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which signifieth animam into cadauer and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 orcum into sepulchrum And is not this thinke yow to corrupt Scriptures Caluin doth so expound almost all the places of Scripture wherby the Ancient Fathers dyd proue the Trinity of Persons and the Diuinity of the Sonne or the Holy Ghost that he doth eueruate all the force therof wherin he doth not alittle symbolize with the Iewes Sabellians Arians and Macedonians Againe the 53. whole Chapter of Isay which is manifestly meant of the passion death and satisfaction of Christ Caluin expoundeth it metaphorically of the griefes and molestations which the Iewish people by their sinnes did cause vnto Christ And what can be more violently or absurdly spoken or what can be more fitly accommodated to the Iewes perfidiousnesse Matth. 19. vers 17. where it is said Si vis ad vitam ingredi serua mandata If thou wilt enter into life keep the Comaundements Caluin will haue this speach to haue byn vttered by Christ in a scoffing manner or mockingly Allo ad Hebr. 5. vers 7. Exauditus est pro sua reuerentia He was heard for his reuerence Caluin expoundeth the greeke word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to signifie metum or dubitationem feare or doubtfullnes and saith that hereby is signified that Christ was stroken with so horrible a terrour of death that he was ready to fall into delperation of his eternall saluation I omit many other places Monsieur du Plessis a principall Caluinist in France in a little booke of his which he published Of the supper of our Lord hath corrupted more then an hundred testimonies of Fathers Doctors partly by cutting of and mangling their words and partly by adding therto of his own As also in this booke of his he produceth many arguments which by Schole doctors as the manner is are obiected against the truth and afterwards solued and answered by themselues as if they had byn set downe expressely by them for their owne doctrine and opinions Of which fraud he was these yeares past publiquely conuinced in presence of the late king of France and many of his nobility by the Bishop of Eureux now Cardinall as is well knowne to all France And the very same deceypt and craft do all their writers vse when they go about to proue their opinions and doctrine out of the Fathers Moreouer Their alleaging of obscure Authorityes this is another comon tricke amongst these men to wit that in citing the Fathers opinions they do alwayes omit their cleere perspicuous sense which may explicate and plainely declare their mind and insteed therof they produce commonly some obscurē and darke sentences of theirs were they do but by chance and as it were by the way touch the controuersy in hand Of which fraud very many testimonies are alledged not only against the Reall presence of Christs body in the Eucharist but against many other euident articles of Catholike faith also as for example against free wil against internal lustice against merit of good workes against the Authority of Councells c. And there is nothing so cleare and euident in our faith which by certaine obscure places of Scripture or Fathers may not seeme to be impugned nor is there any thing so absurd which by that meanes may not be defended For what is more absurd then to say that Christs body is euery where alwel as his Diuinity And yet do these men go about to confirme the same by many restimonies both of Scriptures and Fathers What is more absurd then to say that God is the Author of all synne Or that man hath not free will And yet do they alleadg many obscure places both out of Scriptures Fathers to establish those their fancies Y● they seeke for truth why then do they omit those places which be plaine and perspicuous and fly vnto such as be obscure and darke why do they not stand to the iudgment of the ancient Fathers and Doctors for explication therof who were long before our tyme but will only rely and rest vpon their owne sense and interpretation When as any obscure speaches of the Fathers do but seeme to f●uour them those they do diligently and readily produce and do indeauour to confir me their Doctrine therwith but when Catholikes to the contrary do alledg any thing out of the Fathers which is euidently against them then they make answere presently and say● that the Fathers were me●● and consequently subiect to error but they rely vpon the word of God which cannot err● Y● yow reply and say that the Fathers do also rely vpon the word God they answere that the Fathers haue not attayned to the vnderstanding of the Diuine word and therfore were deceyued Y● yow aske them how they know that the Fathers haue not attayned to the true sens● and vnderstanding of the word of God themselues haue they answer● that 〈◊〉 is euident out of the word of God But how is it euident seing there beso many and so diuers interpretations amongst them and that all the ancient Fathers haue interpreted otherwise them they and the Lutherans otherwise then the Caluinists and they againe otherwise then the Anabaptists The interpretation say they is euident to him that hath the spirit but to others not And thus do the Patrones of euery Sect answere and reduce their final iudgement of euery controuersy to a prin●● spirit Therfore the Caluinists say that all the ancient Fathers all the Doctours of the Church all generall Councells wanted the true-spirit of vnderstanding the Scriptures as also do the Lutherans and Anabaptists at this day want the same only themselues haue the true spirit and to them it is specially graunted from aboue and therefore to them ●n is spirit is manifest in so much that whatsoeuer they teach that is the pure Word of God The very sume thing say the Lutherans to wi● that the Councells Fathers Doctours of the Church did want this true spirit as also the Caluinists Anabaptists do only to them it is graunted and therefore say they it is euident and certaine that our doctrine is agrable to the Word of God And finally the Anabaptists do take away this spirit from all others and clayme it as proper only to themselues But how absurd thinke you voyd of reason are al these things How incredible is it that all the Catholike Doctours and Fathers of the Church should want the true spirit of vnderstanding Scriptures and that it should begiuen now to the Caluinists only or