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A03413	A counter-snarle for Ishmael Rabshacheh, a Cecropidan Lycaonite. By Sr. Edward Hoby, Knight, one of the gentlemen of his Maiesties Priuie-Chamber	Hoby, Edward, Sir, 1560-1617.	1613 (1613)	STC 13539; ESTC S104126	27,129	84

fit of a wanton wit This inference I grant is in another letter indeed his Printer hath done him right to set it in his owne Character for neither did Saint Augustine dreame neither would any sober setled braine stumble vpon such a sense Doth not hee make Saint Augustine speake that which hee neuer meant vvhen hee rackes his words inforcing him to say that Canonicall Scripture is receiued of the Church with a Si which is necessarily to bee acknowledged though it fall out by default to bee Sapor mortis ad mortem or did hee dreame of such a drunken Church as theirs seems to be by their cloyning of the Scriptures from the common people least it should hurt them Had his purpose bin to set these books in the same throne imperiall vvith the sacred Scriptures to vvhat end dooth he instance in those Machabees Martyrs This specification maximè propter istos Martyres Machabaeos declares vvhere the daunger lies implying if vvee sayle vvell by these rocks there is though no necessity some vse of the rest So that the words rightly poysed vvill beare that distinction vvhich Saint Hierome vvho was better acquainted vvith Saint Augustines meaning and the Churches custome dooth resolutely maintaine that Canonicall Scripture must necessarilie bee receiued as for other vncertaine writings they may not vnprofitablie bee read And whereas hee confesseth that the Iewes vvho were the best Surueyors of the authority of their ovvne Histories did reiect them You may well thinke hee held it small reason for after ages to intertaine them in the highest esteeme as Iudges of their faiths though hee saw many good things for which the Church with a little caution did approue them §. 11. THus for want of better sporte this trifling companion is faine to play with a feather which when he hath blown vp as high as hee can falls downe and stickes vpon his owne coate I cannot blame you if your i Angligena attollant equites peditesque cachinnum laughter some-what passe modesty when you consider how wittely he workes vpon that clause Si sobrié legatur turning the weakenes of the iudgement which Saint Augustine vpon good probability feared into that intemperance of disordered affection which was not by him intended By this common acceptation of the word Sobriè in this place ridiculous hee glides to this needlesse conclusion k Pag. 135. that there is no story nor miracle in the holy Bible which some will not deride when they bibble and take l Faeda Tobacciseriquid vult contagio sum Prater inauditam perlus membre lu●m Tobacco or when they read the Scripture as Sir Edward Hoby doth seeme to doe Lypsius his booke of our Ladies miracles by the fier side when men roast crabs to driue à man out of à melancholy fitt m To M. T. H. Pag. 102. I presume you haue read that discourse so that I shall not need twise to present you with the same dish Neuer did your eies behold such lewd lies and incredible false-hoods as that n Aliquando fit in Eclesia maxima deceptio populi in miraculis sactis à Sacerdotibus propter lucrum L●●a in ca. 14. Daniel Miracle-monger setteth to sale for sound truthes It is not vnlike that this probationer hath taken vp some store of them vpon trust and because he cannot now so cleanly put them to sale but that they still he vpon his hand the dullest sent finding that they haue taken too much winde hee therefore takes it in dudgeon that I should hinder his market by saying that o Reddere personae sci● cenuenientia cuique Lypsius is worthy the reading by the fier side when men roast crabbs This makes him as hotte as a toste This roasting of Crabbs settes his teeth on edge Doe you see what a queasie stomack hee hath His p Et data Romanis venia est in digna poet●● Poets and Painters may lymme and faine what ridiculous Chimaeras they please by vertue of his dispensation But Sir Edward Hoby must be called in question if hee chance to clap a q Verbaque praeuisam rem non inuita sequuntur wilde phrase vpon a vile fiction As if I were now to learne of such an Hipodidascalian Paedagogue to r Quo scribi possunt numero quoue ordine dicam measure my phrase by his ſ Sibi conuenientia fingit rule and line Alasse poore Nouice I haue liued a little too longe to goe to schoole to such an Ignatius as hee is that cannot distinguish between a Helmet and a Couentry capp I haue euer held it art enough for mee to please my t Quem penes arbitrium est et ius et forma loquendi selfe It is for such seruile pens as his to write in Moode and Figure But doth hee not thinke you deserue the wood of the Crabb that is so angry with the Crab of the wood Can you deny that hee flutters in a web of foolish Baberies when he bables of bibling taking u Nuga mea arguuntur adeó factorum innocens sum Tobacco I am sure this is no mortal sin though if it were I haue litle reason to trauel to the Popes toe for a Pardon no not if I were sure to haue the paring of his nayle with th' appurtenances for my paines Shall I be so bold as to make you my confessors Then I confesse in my time I haue not beene an enemy to that Indian weede and perhaps haue spent some-what that way which had bin better giuen to the poore Yet my tennants cannot say but that my chimneys did euer smoak more then my nose As for these late yeares I doe not remember that I had a pipe in my hand twice So that the Informer may put vp this iest in his boxe If he be as free from all his olde vices and drunken conceites as I am from this vanity hee shall not neede any great pennance You may see how gladly hee would finde a hole in my coate who catcheth so at a x Et fumus et fimus vapour which is long since flowne out of his reach § 12. THe next flaw which he finds is a Pag. 135. an imperfect Allegation of the same Father without any direction where hee might finde it In which he hath shewed himselfe a very kinde Aduersarie by quoting the place and adding the words which were wanting I will not requite him with the Prouerbe that profered seruice merits small thankes but in lieu of his labour I will more fully aduertise him of my scope which hee seemes wholie to mistake My purpose was from a ground out of Saint Augustine to proue that the booke of Machabees is not Canonicall My Major is S. Augustine as well knowne as the Beggar knoweth his dish In libris Canonicis nusquam nobis praeceptum permissumué c. In holy Canonicall Scripture there is no diuine precept or permission to be found that either to gayne immortalitie

And that you may see hee meanes no double dealing he is well pleased the whole world should be witnesse adding this protestation that he is sorry he hath withheld his due so longe But to return to that Marble pillar that glorious Saint that euer admired Augustine I cannot but deplore my hard hap that I should be indited for the least wronge done to him to whose heauenly Meditations sweet sayings and learned discourses I owe more then the half of my self Would any man beleeue that I shold father that booke de mirabilibus sacrae scripturae vpon him z Pag. 122. Varius ait Scaurus negat Rabshacbeh auerres that Indeed I cannot denie that finding it in their owne Coppies in equall rancke with those other bookes that goe vnder the title of Saint Augustine his workes and hauing no other certaine or knowne author vnder whose name I mought cite it I was loath to trouble the margent with any Circumloquution cōtenting my self only to note where it might be found And this I did to a double end First to draw and extort from the aduersarie an open confession of the falsehood of their forefathers in packing and placing their bastardly brood amongst the naturall children and true branches of those Angelical Doctors Which vniust dealing hath not beene the least bane of the Christian world Secondly to inferre vpon their owne acknowledgement and discarding this booke that the testimonie euen of the most partiall that vented their follies in those first declining yeeres will steed them but very little for authorizing the Machabees from whence the foundation of their praier and oblation for the dead was first deriued As neere as I can remember I thus argued with my selfe If they grant that Saint Augustines penne doe feuer the Machabees from the diuine Canon then the matter will bee soone at an end and if they deny that booke to bee his then hovv vvill they excuse the infidelitie of their Church who hath in her time plaide manie such lewde prankes as this Or how vvill they answere Antiquitie vvhich distinguished these bookes eight hundred and nine yeeres before either a The book de Mirabilibus was written 627. vt P. 133 Luther or Suinglius vvere borne So that my reply is this If it bee a booke of no account not sauouring of Saint Augustines vvit learning and stile then are they culpable either of forging or maintenance or both If it bee not his why was it entertained vvhy is it continued in their own editions amongst his golden works If they print it vnder his name they may giue me leaue so to note it where they might be sure to finde it Yea but b P. 3. q. 45. art 3. ad 2. teste Tho. Aquinate it hath beene long since pronounced discarded By like it will not serue the Popes turne vvhy then welfare their honest Index expurgatorius that will tell manie tricks of the like cleanly conueiance In what an intricate age doe wee liue A man cannot safely read any their fathers but he must turne ouer Thomas Aquinas before hee can tell what workes are their owne and consequently may catch a Snake instead of an Eele ere hee be aware §. 10. THus you well see ingenuous Gentlemen how I haue quit my hands of the first falsehood my scope being not then to prooue that booke de mirabilibus to be Saint Augustines but first to euince them of forgerie and then to shevve vvhat their ovvne Antiquitie did manie hundred yeeres agoe thinke of those Apocriphall books Had I bin indeed perswaded that it had bin S. Augustines owne off-spring I should haue held it needles to cumber the breuity of a letter with more then one other proofe of the same Father But because I foresaw that by this baite I should bring the opposite partie to one of those ineuitable disaduantages formerly mentioned I therefore added tvvo seuerall testimonies vvhich he cannot disauow to confirme the same truth in the alleaging vvhereof hee cries out c P. 134. that I am a notorious falsefier For triall vvherof my pen prostrates it selfe to your censure The vvords by mee cited are these d Mr. T. H. P. 60. Machabaeorum Scriptura recepta est ab Ecclesia non inutiliter si sobriè legatur vel auditatur maxime propter istos Martyres vvhereupon my inference was this Ergo ob hanc causam in Canone morum non fidei censeri posset Which last clause I wonder how it should so passe my sight in the re-vievv For perusing my first draught I finde go vvritten short in another letter to distinguish my inference from his proofe It seemeth either my Manuaties haste or the e Dominum De um●n●strum Papam not his Phrase but ouer-sight in print P. 149. Printers misprision hath turned go into sed as if the same had beene continued vvhereas my English reddition was plaine And that consequently they are in the Canon of Manners c. vvhich Aduerbe their former error caused them vtterly to omit f Verstij Parasceue Such scapes oftentimes happen when the Author himselfe cannot attend the presse Now that you may perceiue there is no such Trophey in this casuall addition which no man of sence vvould willingly haue suffered when the Authors are obuious to euery eye you shall see I had S. Hieroms authority for that inference though I then did not quote him whose words are these g Jn praf lib. Salomonis Iudith Tobiae et Machabaeorum libros legit quidem Ecclesia sed eos inter Canonicas Scriptur as non recepit and hee explaines himselfe how this should be vnderstood Legat Ecclesia sayth hee ad aedificationem plebis non ad authoritatem dogmatum Ecclesiasticorum confirmandam reckon all these together you shall find them amount to no lesse summe then that the bookes of Machabees are in Canone morum non fidei censendi Might it haue pleased him to haue sifted Lyra Brito Rabanus and Caietan vvhom I there cited this matter would not haue beene such a beame in his eye How will he looke when Mr. Crashaw shal make him fly to his Printer for Sanctuarie in greater extremities then the mistaking of a word Will you giue me leaue to praesage vvhat he will say Admit this clause annexed be true in it selfe yet how can it bee collected out of these former words when as S. Augustine shewing that the Iewes doe not admit the booke of Machabees as they do the Law Prophets and Psalmes addeth Sed recepta est ab Ecclesia non inutiliter si sobriè legatur vel audiatur maximè propter istos Martyres Machabaeos How can you then conclude ergo it is not Canonicall Nay rather the consequence will be this ergo the Christian Church doth admit the booke of Machabees as Canonicall in that sense that the Iewes did refuse them to wit as the Lawe Prophets and Psalmes any of h P. 135. which may more hurt then profit if the same bee read in a drunken