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nor_o of_o such_o doctrinal_a power_n oâ—…_n the_o paâ—â—ern_a act_n 15._o hold_v forth_o and_o which_o be_v all_o that_o learned_a 482._o mâ—…_n rutherford_n conceive_v to_o belong_v to_o a_o general_a council_n for_o thus_o he_o say_v very_o i_o profess_v i_o can_v see_v whâ—â—_n power_n of_o jurisdiction_n tâ—…_n censure_n scandal_n can_v be_v in_o a_o general_a council_n there_o maâ—…ke_v some_o 〈◊〉_d doctrinal_a power_n in_o such_o a_o câ—…uncell_n if_o such_o can_v be_v have_v and_o that_o be_v all_o and_o how_o a_o national_n provincial_n or_o classical_a synod_n be_v lesser_a part_n of_o the_o whole_a can_v put_v forth_o such_o act_n as_o the_o whole_a can_v do_v ipsi_fw-la vidâ—…rint_fw-la it_o be_v tâ—…ue_a a_o particular_a church_n may_v formal_o cast_v out_o a_o scandalous_a member_n according_a to_o the_o rule_n matth._n 18._o yet_o the_o argument_n from_o proportion_n will_v not_o hold_v in_o 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o power_n of_o excommunication_n in_o great_a assembly_n 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and_o which_o for_o aught_o appear_v never_o orderly_o meet_v to_o this_o day_n objection_n 3_o if_o all_o pastor_n be_v pastor_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n than_o there_o be_v such_o a_o catholic_n church_n but_o all_o pastor_n be_v pastor_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n ergo._fw-la answ_n if_o it_o be_v mean_v thus_o that_o they_o be_v pastor_n of_o some_o particular_a part_n of_o the_o church_n and_o in_o that_o respect_n in_o the_o whole_a and_o for_o the_o good_a of_o the_o whole_a the_o good_a of_o every_o part_n redoâ—…nding_v to_o the_o good_a of_o the_o whole_a yea_o if_o some_o pastoral_a care_n also_o be_v intend_v towards_o other_o church_n and_o to_o fetch_v in_o such_o as_o be_v yet_o not_o of_o the_o church_n we_o grant_v all_o this_o according_a to_o the_o meaning_n of_o that_o plâ—…ce_n 1_o cor._n 12.28_o former_o open_v by_o we_o but_o if_o this_o argument_n intend_v that_o they_o be_v pastor_n of_o the_o catholic_n body_n as_o of_o one_o political_a church_n than_o we_o deny_v the_o assumption_n upon_o this_o ground_n because_o a_o pastoral_n office_n consiâ—…ts_v proper_o iâ—…_n have_v a_o charge_n and_o power_n over_o those_o to_o who_o he_o be_v a_o pastor_n act._n 20._o â—…8_n but_o he_o have_v no_o charge_n of_o the_o whole_a for_o if_o so_o he_o must_v give_v account_n to_o christ_n of_o the_o whole_a neither_o have_v he_o power_n over_o such_o a_o catholic_n church_n be_v never_o choose_v by_o it_o â—…or_v it_o subject_v to_o he_o if_o it_o be_v say_v such_o be_v make_v pastor_n by_o ordinaâ—…ion_n of_o the_o presbyâ—â—â—â—_n not_o the_o election_n of_o the_o people_n who_o only_o appropriate_v he_o to_o themselves_o who_o be_v a_o pastor_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n than_o he_o be_v either_o a_o catholic_n pastor_n that_o have_v power_n to_o intâ—…_n 〈◊〉_d in_o all_o church_n as_o the_o apostle_n have_v which_o we_o think_v none_o will_v yeâ—…lâ—…_n they_o or_o else_o they_o be_v pastor_n only_o in_o name_n without_o power_n which_o be_v absurd_a nor_o do_v the_o similitude_n of_o a_o 〈◊〉_d make_v doctor_n of_o physic_n at_o large_a by_o a_o college_n of_o physician_n help_v in_o this_o case_n for_o it_o suppose_v he_o to_o be_v make_v such_o â—…_n doctor_n before_o he_o be_v elect_v by_o any_o people_n to_o exercise_v this_o faculty_n which_o applyâ—…d_v to_o this_o case_n of_o a_o pastor_n â—…s_v have_v ordination_n to_o make_v he_o a_o pastor_n at_o large_a before_o election_n to_o thâ—â—_n or_o that_o people_n be_v utter_o against_o all_o example_n of_o scripture_n 〈◊〉_d actâ—…_n 1_o &_o â—…_n &_o 14_o objection_n 4_o that_o whiâ—â—_n belong_v to_o a_o little_a part_n of_o a_o similar_v body_n and_o tâ—…lis_fw-la belong_v to_o a_o great_a part_n much_o more_o and_o therefore_o if_o the_o immâ—…diâ—…te_a exercise_n of_o the_o key_n bâ—…long_v to_o a_o single_a congregation_n then_o much_o more_o to_o the_o whole_a and_o to_o 〈…〉_z of_o the_o whole_a answ_n 1_o such_o as_o say_v that_o the_o catholic_n 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one_o if_o testimony_n be_v needful_a we_o may_v produce_v zanchi_n zwinglius_fw-la parker_n baines_n and_o other_o who_o be_v full_o with_o we_o in_o this_o doctrine_n of_o a_o particular_a church_n yea_o dr._n downam_n himself_o confess_v that_o the_o most_o of_o the_o church_n in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o apostle_n paul_n do_v not_o exceed_v the_o proportion_n of_o a_o populous_a congregation_n and_o this_o confession_n put_v we_o in_o mind_n of_o a_o witty_a passage_n of_o his_o refuter_fw-la or_o his_o epistoler_n who_o against_o the_o bishop_n maintain_v the_o doctrine_n of_o congregationall_a church_n with_o we_o with_o who_o expression_n for_o the_o recreation_n of_o ourselves_o and_o the_o reader_n we_o will_v conclude_v the_o papist_n say_v he_o he_o tell_v we_o just_a as_o the_o organ_n go_v at_o rome_n that_o the_o extent_n of_o a_o bishop_n jurisdiction_n be_v not_o limit_v but_o by_o the_o pope_n appointment_n his_o power_n of_o itself_o indifferent_o reaching_z over_o all_o the_o world_n our_o prelatist_n will_v persuade_v we_o to_o the_o tune_n of_o canterbury_n that_o neither_o church_n nor_o bishop_n have_v his_o bound_n determine_v by_o the_o pope_n nor_o yet_o by_o christ_n in_o the_o scripture_n but_o leave_v to_o the_o pleasure_n of_o prince_n to_o be_v cast_v into_o one_o mould_n with_o the_o civil_a state_n now_o the_o plain_a christian_n find_v nothing_o but_o humane_a uncertainty_n in_o either_o of_o these_o devise_n he_o content_v himself_o with_o plain_a song_n and_o know_v that_o christ_n have_v appoint_v christian_n to_o gather_v themselves_o into_o such_o society_n as_o may_v assemble_v themselves_o together_o for_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n and_o that_o unto_o such_o he_o have_v give_v their_o peculiar_a pastor_n he_o i_o say_v in_o his_o simplicity_n call_v these_o assembly_n the_o church_n of_o christ_n and_o these_o pastor_n his_o bishop_n thus_o much_o concern_v the_o nature_n of_o a_o particular_a church_n and_o that_o it_o 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understand_v according_a to_o the_o interpretation_n of_o some_o of_o they_o who_o so_o speak_v for_o there_o be_v a_o double_a profession_n of_o faith_n personal_a which_o be_v act_v several_o by_o particular_a person_n and_o common_a which_o be_v act_v conjoint_o in_o and_o with_o a_o society_n the_o first_o make_v a_o man_n of_o the_o catholic_a number_n of_o visible_a saint_n and_o so_o fit_a matter_n for_o political_a church-society_n the_o other_o make_v a_o man_n of_o the_o political_a church_n formal_o and_o complete_o and_o in_o this_o latter_a sense_n profession_n of_o faith_n be_v the_o external_a form_n of_o a_o visible_a church_n but_o not_o in_o the_o other_o now_o that_o in_o and_o to_o this_o subject_n so_o profess_v the_o seal_n and_o other_o ordinance_n belong_v may_v be_v prove_v thus_o argument_n 1_o first_o the_o seal_n and_o other_o church-ordinance_n must_v either_o belong_v to_o the_o catholic_n church_n as_o such_o or_o to_o the_o particular_a church_n but_o 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