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A01735 A short reply vnto the last printed books of Henry Barrow and Iohn Greenwood, the chiefe ringleaders of our Donatists in England VVherein is layd open their grosse ignorance, and foule errors: vpon which their whole building is founded. By George Gyfford, minister of Gods holy worde, in Maldon. Gifford, George, d. 1620. 1591 (1591) STC 11868; ESTC S118836 80,934 106

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discuss_v to_o make_v every_o simple_a man_n understand_v the_o matter_n you_o master_n barrow_n and_o master_n greenwood_n be_v most_o blind_a in_o it_o i_o wish_v the_o reader_n to_o observe_v because_o it_o be_v one_o main_a rock_n upon_o which_o you_o be_v run_v and_o cry_v out_o what_o you_o can_v that_o i_o like_v a_o mark_v servant_n of_o antichrist_n like_o a_o graceless_a man_n that_o have_v his_o conscience_n sear_v with_o a_o hot_a iron_n do_v change_v you_o wrongful_o yet_o it_o shall_v be_v evident_a that_o by_o seek_v a_o annabaptisticall_a freedom_n you_o do_v abridge_v the_o power_n of_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n and_o of_o the_o church_n to_o come_v therefore_o unto_o the_o matter_n that_o which_o s._n james_n say_v must_n first_o stand_v sure_a namely_o that_o there_o be_v one_o lawgiver_n which_o be_v able_a to_o save_v and_o to_o destroy_v jam._n 4._o vers_fw-la 12._o hereupon_o it_o be_v most_o sure_a that_o god_n alone_o have_v lordship_n over_o the_o 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to_o be_v condemue_v but_o now_o there_o be_v certain_a middle_a action_n and_o thing_n which_o we_o call_v indifferent_a because_o if_o we_o simple_o respect_v they_o in_o themselves_o or_o in_o their_o own_o nature_n they_o be_v neither_o good_a nor_o evil_a in_o these_o consist_v one_o part_n of_o christian_a liberty_n to_o use_v or_o not_o to_o use_v with_o knowledge_n and_o discretion_n now_o if_o we_o respect_v the_o very_a nature_n of_o these_o thing_n no_o prince_n or_o church_n can_v change_v it_o as_o to_o make_v they_o to_o become_v necessary_o good_a or_o necessary_o evil_a in_o themselves_o to_o the_o conscience_n and_o therefore_o touch_v not_o taste_v not_o handle_v not_o coloss_n 2._o vers_fw-la 21._o make_v the_o outward_a indifferent_a thing_n unclean_a to_o the_o conscience_n be_v to_o usurp_v a_o antichristian_a power_n over_o the_o conscience_n even_o against_o god_n also_o to_o make_v those_o external_a thing_n to_o be_v of_o necessity_n to_o the_o conscience_n be_v to_o lay_v a_o yoke_n of_o bondage_n and_o against_o this_o we_o be_v will_v to_o stand_v fast_o in_o the_o freedom_n wherewith_o christ_n have_v make_v we_o free_a gal_n 5._o vers_fw-la 1._o hitherto_o master_n barrow_n i_o think_v you_o will_v agree_v with_o i_o but_o now_o touch_v the_o external_a use_n of_o these_o thing_n either_o for_o prince_n to_o make_v politic_a law_n to_o command_v the_o use_n or_o to_o restrain_v the_o use_n of_o they_o or_o for_o the_o church_n to_o make_v cannon_n and_o constitution_n to_o command_v or_o restrain_v the_o use_n as_o shall_v serve_v for_o order_n and_o comeliness_n therein_o lie_v our_o disagreement_n and_o therein_o you_o plead_v for_o your_o annabaptisticall_a freedom_n and_o confusion_n i_o mean_v that_o ataxia_fw-la or_o overthrow_v of_o all_o order_n first_o you_o call_v it_o a_o subtle_a distinction_n which_o master_n caluine_n use_v of_o the_o external_a or_o civil_a court_n and_o the_o court_n of_o conscience_n in_o your_o discovery_n pag._n 88_o and_o you_o say_v master_n caluine_n have_v very_o true_o set_v down_o that_o it_o be_v heinous_a presumption_n in_o any_o mortal_a man_n to_o restrain_v or_o make_v law_n of_o such_o thing_n as_o the_o lord_n have_v leave_v in_o liberty_n he_o straight_o way_n lest_o he_o shall_v keep_v back_o civil_a magistrate_n from_o receive_v the_o gospel_n invent_v a_o politic_a distinction_n betwixt_o the_o civil_a court_n and_o the_o court_n of_o conscience_n say_v that_o this_o outward_a court_n respect_v man_n only_o and_o bind_v not_o the_o conscience_n of_o the_o doer_n the_o other_o concern_v matter_n belong_v unto_o god_n and_o therefore_o bind_v the_o conscience_n thus_o have_v he_o both_o lose_v and_o entangle_v himself_o and_o utter_o overthrow_v all_o his_o former_a doctrine_n pag._n 93._o in_o pag._n 247._o of_o