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hist_n council_n à _fw-fr paulo_n v._o edit_n to._n 4._o p._n 127._o constance_n and_o seqq._n and_o statim_fw-la illud_fw-la in_o controversiam_fw-la venit_fw-la num_fw-la synodus_fw-la pisana_fw-la in_o illos_fw-la potuerit_fw-la animadvertere_fw-la cùm_fw-la eorum_fw-la alteruter_fw-la verus_fw-la esset_fw-la pontifex_fw-la sed_fw-la uter_fw-la be_v esset_fw-la non_fw-la constaret_fw-la ibid._n p._n seqq._n pisa_n whereof_o the_o former_a by_o the_o way_n be_v a_o general_a council_n in_o the_o catalogue_n set_v forth_o by_o pope_n paulus_n quintus_fw-la be_v utter_o at_o a_o loss_n in_o their_o debate_n of_o this_o matter_n from_o whence_o it_o follow_v avoidable_a that_o mr._n cressy_n must_v not_o dare_v to_o avow_v this_o last_o notion_n of_o the_o present_a visible_a church_n as_o well_o because_o it_o be_v not_o that_o to_o which_o he_o dare_v say_v the_o last_o recourse_n be_v to_o be_v have_v as_o because_o she_o can_v too_o easy_o declare_v her_o sense_n in_o another_o 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it_o must_v also_o subdue_v their_o mind_n to_o a_o assent_n and_o this_o under_o the_o penalty_n of_o a_o anathema_n or_o cut_v off_o from_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n this_o be_v say_v by_o mr._n cressy_n concern_v the_o live_n and_o speak_v judge_n of_o his_o church_n judge_n for_o the_o time_n be_v in_o every_o age._n quite_o forget_v what_o he_o have_v say_v not_o long_o before_o p._n 95._o that_o reason_n inspiration_n and_o example_n of_o primitive_a father_n must_v joint_o make_v up_o the_o only_a guide_n which_o he_o affirm_v to_o be_v infallible_a for_o unless_o they_o all_o concur_v as_o he_o have_v say_v before_o that_o p._n 93._o together_o with_o the_o present_a visible_a governor_n to_o who_o he_o there_o give_v a_o judge_a determine_a power_n that_o which_o we_o take_v to_o be_v reason_n and_o inspiration_n and_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n may_v deceive_v and_o misguide_v we_o now_o beside_o that_o this_o say_n destroy_v the_o former_a where_o no_o 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bad_a or_o worse_o when_o he_o say_v that_o a_o man_n although_o of_o much_o ignorance_n may_v in_o a_o sort_n be_v omniscient_a within_o his_o sphere_n p._n 99_o which_o be_v as_o if_o he_o shall_v have_v say_v that_o a_o man_n may_v be_v able_a to_o have_v a_o knowledge_n of_o all_o thing_n because_o he_o may_v so_o know_v they_o all_o as_o to_o be_v ignorant_a of_o some_o but_o then_o with_o the_o help_n of_o that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o mean_a man_n be_v as_o omniscient_a as_o be_v his_o roman_a catholic_n church_n because_o within_o his_o determinate_a sphere_n he_o must_v needs_o have_v a_o knowledge_n of_o all_o he_o know_v and_o of_o more_o than_o she_o know_v the_o roman_a church_n have_v no_o knowledge_n so_o again_o when_o he_o will_v show_v how_o a_o creature_n may_v be_v infallible_a though_o he_o have_v say_v that_o god_n himself_o be_v incommunicable_o such_o p._n 98._o he_o have_v no_o better_a a_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d
service_n in_o a_o word_n throughout_o the_o whole_a council_n nothing_o be_v carry_v by_o counsel_n or_o consultation_n of_o assessor_n for_o assistant_n i_o can_v call_v they_o nothing_o by_o suffrage_n or_o vote_n from_o they_o that_o make_v it_o wear_v the_o name_n of_o a_o general_n council_n but_o the_o supreme_a present_a judge_n to_o use_v the_o phrase_n of_o mr._n cressy_n as_o a_o infallible_a dictator_n ordain_v all_o this_o be_v constant_o the_o preface_n to_o each_o decree_n in_o that_o council_n leo_fw-la episcopus_fw-la servus_n servorum_fw-la dei_fw-la ad_fw-la perpetuam_fw-la rei_fw-la memoriam_fw-la approbante_fw-la concilio_n etc._n etc._n so_o again_o in_o their_o last_o and_o best_a belove_a general_n council_n trent_n of_o the_o council_n at_o trent_n all_z the_o father_n do_v but_o prepare_v convenient_a matter_n for_o decree_n whereunto_o the_o pope_n fiat_n do_v give_v the_o life_n their_o two_o and_o twenty_o year_n contrivance_n do_v end_n at_o last_o in_o 442._o in_o humiliter_fw-la petimus_fw-la nomine_fw-la dicti_fw-la concilii_fw-la oecumenici_fw-la tridemini_fw-la ut_fw-la sanctitas_fw-la vestra_fw-la dignetur_fw-la confirmare_fw-la omne_fw-la &_o singula_fw-la etc._n etc._n edit_n bin._n tom._n 9_o p._n 442._o meek_a petition_n that_o his_o holiness_n will_v vouchsafe_v to_o confirm_v what_o they_o have_v do_v that_o be_v to_o inform_v the_o lifeless_a matter_n they_o have_v prepare_v which_o can_v not_o have_v the_o nature_n and_o force_n of_o article_n or_o decree_n until_o the_o pope_n have_v breathe_v on_o they_o the_o breath_n of_o life_n so_o a_o little_a before_o that_o 434._o that_o si_fw-mi in_o his_o recipiendis_fw-la aliqua_fw-la difficult_a as_o ariatur_fw-la aut_fw-la aliqua_fw-la incideriâ—t_fw-la quae_fw-la declarationem_fw-la aut_fw-la finitionem_fw-la postulent_fw-la confidit_fw-la sancta_fw-la synoduâ—_n pon_n ificem_fw-la curaturum_fw-la etc._n etc._n viderit_fw-la expedire_fw-la etc._n etc._n si_fw-mi necessarium_fw-la judicaverit_fw-la etc._n etc._n si_fw-mi ei_fw-la visum_fw-la fuerit_fw-la etc._n etc._n ibid._n p._n 434._o the_o general_a council_n do_v humble_o hope_n that_o if_o any_o difficulty_n arise_v in_o the_o receive_n of_o the_o canon_n or_o if_o any_o thing_n doubtful_a shall_v require_v a_o definition_n or_o declaration_n his_o holiness_n will_v provide_v for_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o province_n for_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n and_o the_o tranquillity_n of_o the_o church_n either_o by_o call_v a_o general_n council_n if_o he_o shall_v judge_v it_o to_o be_v needful_a or_o by_o commit_v the_o business_n to_o such_o as_o he_o shall_v think_v fit_a to_o do_v it_o or_o by_o what_o way_n soever_o he_o shall_v judge_v more_o commodious_a all_o upon_o the_o matter_n both_o be_v and_o must_v be_v as_o he_o please_v and_o when_o the_o council_n be_v dissolve_v he_o be_v himself_o tantamount_n to_o a_o general_n council_n indeed_o much_o more_o for_o the_o council_n do_v but_o propose_v but_o he_o 444._o he_o apostolicâ_fw-la auctoritate_fw-la declaramus_fw-la &_o definimus_fw-la p._n 444._o declare_v and_o define_n by_o apostolical_a authority_n he_o 443._o he_o fidem_fw-la sine_fw-la ullâ_fw-la dubitatione_n haberi_fw-la mandamus_fw-la atque_fw-la decernimus_fw-la p._n 443._o command_v and_o decree'_v by_o somewhat_o more_o than_o apostolical_a that_o faith_n without_o any_o doubt_v be_v have_v by_o all_o to_o his_o creed_n and_o all_o under_o the_o penalty_n of_o be_v cut_v off_o from_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n notwithstanding_o some_o part_n of_o his_o creed_n be_v 354._o be_v vide_fw-la council_n trident_n edit_fw-la bin._n excus_fw-la genev._n a._n d._n 1612._o tom._n 9_o sess_n 4._o p._n 354._o this_o that_o apocryphal_a writing_n and_o mere_a tradition_n concern_v faith_n as_o well_o as_o manner_n be_v by_o all_o to_o be_v receive_v with_o as_o much_o reverence_n and_o affection_n as_o thing_n proceed_v from_o god_n the_o holy_a ghost_n or_o 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be_v the_o council_n either_o not_o err_v at_o all_o or_o at_o least_o the_o least_o err_a of_o any_o other_o but_o let_v we_o yield_v mr._n cressy_n yet_o more_o advantage_n and_o suppose_v he_o only_o to_o mean_v what_o once_o he_o say_v for_o he_o say_v so_o many_o thing_n that_o he_o seem_v to_o have_v many_o and_o those_o contradictory_n meaning_n 7._o meaning_n ch._n 9_o p._n 95._o sect._n 7._o a_o church_n represent_v by_o her_o pastor_n out_o of_o all_o nation_n which_o pastor_n out_o of_o all_o nation_n make_v a_o 1096._o a_o concilia_fw-la generalia_fw-la dicuntur_fw-la ea_fw-la quibus_fw-la interest_n possunt_fw-la &_o debent_fw-la episcopi_fw-la totius_fw-la orbis_n nisi_fw-la legitimè_fw-la impediantur_fw-la &_o quibus_fw-la nemo_fw-la rectè_fw-la praesidet_fw-la nisi_fw-la summus_n pontifex_fw-la aut_fw-la alius_fw-la ejus_fw-la nomine_fw-la ind_n enim_fw-la dicuntur_fw-la oecumenica_fw-la id_fw-la est_fw-la orbis_n totius_fw-la terrae_fw-la concilia_fw-la bellarm_n 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a_o particular_a church_n in_o correspondence_n with_o the_o universal_a therefore_o little_a to_o their_o church_n and_o if_o i_o do_v reply_n that_o this_o text_n belong_v also_o to_o particular_a church_n than_o this_o do_v redound_v to_o the_o honour_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n and_o that_o this_o do_v belong_v to_o particular_a prelate_n to_o excommunicate_v he_o himself_o do_v confess_v in_o this_o section_n therefore_o must_v he_o conclude_v that_o i_o conclude_v for_o the_o universal_a church_n and_o yet_o moreover_o in_o all_o this_o long_a gloss_n upon_o the_o text_n how_o little_a have_v we_o have_v of_o that_o upon_o which_o all_o in_o this_o discourse_n turn_v namely_o whether_o authority_n of_o excommunication_n be_v it_o in_o the_o universal_a or_o a_o particular_a church_n respect_v not_o formal_o the_o contempt_n not_o the_o non-assent_a let_v they_o speak_v less_o or_o more_o to_o the_o purpose_n and_o yet_o again_o he_o will_v drive_v it_o on_o in_o a_o loose_a way_n that_o we_o have_v a_o command_n from_o god_n to_o hear_v the_o church_n absolute_o and_o universal_o to_o this_o purpose_n he_o say_v those_o who_o disobey_v the_o judge_n disobey_v the_o commonwealth_n so_o general_o speak_v those_o who_o disobey_v the_o prelate_n of_o the_o particular_a church_n disobey_v the_o universal_a church_n command_v she_o to_o proceed_v according_a to_o her_o decree_n canon_n and_o definition_n ans_fw-fr here_o be_v not_o much_o and_o for_o they_o less_o a_o commonwealth_n be_v a_o term_n ambiguous_a and_o may_v be_v take_v strict_o or_o large_o strict_o in_o the_o form_n large_o as_o include_v head_n and_o member_n and_o in_o this_o large_a sense_n may_v be_v consider_v with_o more_o respect_n to_o the_o body_n or_o to_o the_o head_n in_o confuso_fw-la or_o in_o capite_fw-la if_o he_o take_v it_o in_o the_o strict_a sense_n it_o be_v not_o to_o any_o purpose_n because_o there_o be_v a_o different_a reason_n of_o law_n in_o the_o commonwealth_n and_o in_o the_o church_n for_o in_o a_o commonwealth_n so_o law_n proceed_v from_o they_o as_o the_o efficient_a thereof_o but_o in_o the_o church_n truth_n and_o duty_n do_v come_v from_o god_n and_o therefore_o in_o such_o case_n the_o disobedience_n reflect_v upon_o god_n now_o the_o case_n we_o dispute_v upon_o be_v in_o necessary_a truth_n and_o duty_n if_o he_o understand_v a_o commonwealth_n large_o and_o then_o with_o more_o particular_a repute_n to_o the_o people_n the_o disobedience_n to_o the_o judge_n do_v not_o reflect_v upon_o they_o unless_o objective_o and_o consequent_o because_o though_o they_o be_v not_o their_o judge_n by_o way_n of_o authority_n yet_o they_o be_v their_o judge_n in_o way_n of_o end_n for_o their_o good_a if_o it_o be_v take_v with_o more_o relation_n to_o the_o head_n who_o judge_n they_o be_v by_o authoritative_a commission_n it_o be_v true_a that_o the_o disobedience_n to_o the_o judge_n do_v redound_v upon_o he_o but_o here_o be_v difference_n betwixt_o they_o for_o particular_a prelate_n do_v not_o depend_v upon_o the_o universal_a church_n as_o judge_n do_v upon_o the_o head_n of_o a_o commonwealth_n because_o bishop_n have_v their_o authority_n by_o divine_a right_n which_o be_v contend_v for_o hot_o in_o the_o trent_n council_n and_o have_v proceed_v affirmative_o have_v not_o the_o roman_a court_n bandy_v against_o it_o and_o then_o also_o the_o matter_n of_o disobedience_n we_o speak_v of_o be_v from_o god_n not_o the_o universal_a church_n but_o the_o matter_n of_o civil_a disobedience_n to_o the_o judge_n be_v from_o the_o head_n and_o then_o again_o we_o do_v not_o speak_v of_o disobedience_n positive_a which_o my_o adversary_n do_v instance_n in_o but_o in_o obedience_n which_o be_v negative_a and_o then_o again_o particular_a prelate_n be_v not_o so_o bind_v in_o thing_n of_o particular_a order_n as_o the_o people_n be_v bind_v to_o the_o law_n of_o a_o particular_a nation_n and_o also_o then_o this_o will_v 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of_o sam._n 8._o they_o have_v not_o reject_v thou_o but_o i_o ans_fw-fr sure_o they_o have_v better_o have_v suppose_v this_o truth_n than_o prove_v it_o first_o and_o again_o we_o be_v not_o upon_o disobedience_n but_o inobedience_n not_o upon_o reject_v authority_n which_o god_n have_v vest_v in_o samuel_n but_o upon_o suspending_a assent_n to_o a_o truth_n propose_v and_o then_o 2._o in_o the_o time_n of_o samuel_n it_o be_v a_o plain_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o the_o people_n have_v law_n and_o ordinance_n give_v they_o by_o divine_a immediate_a direction_n but_o it_o be_v yet_o to_o be_v prove_v whether_o what_o church_n do_v enjoin_v do_v come_v from_o god_n immediate_o to_o the_o prelate_n and_o therefore_o since_o that_o case_n have_v contempt_n in_o it_o the_o discourse_n suit_v not_o our_o question_n and_o christ_n to_o his_o disciple_n the_o first_o prelate_n of_o the_o church_n he_o that_o despise_v you_o despise_v i_o ans_fw-fr those_o disciple_n be_v not_o in_o 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