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A95131 An answer to a letter written by the R.R. the Ld Bp of Rochester. Concerning the chapter of original sin, in the Vnum necessarium. / By Jer. Taylor D.D. Taylor, Jeremy, 1613-1667. 1656 (1656) Wing T286; Thomason E1683_1; ESTC R209161 32,605 117

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be_v sinner_n and_o yet_o heal_v as_o just_a person_n it_o be_v certain_a we_o be_v just_a by_o imputation_n only_o that_o be_v christ_n impute_v our_o faith_n and_o sincere_a though_o not_o unerring_a obedience_n to_o we_o for_o righteousness_n and_o then_o the_o antithesis_fw-la must_v hold_v thus_o by_o christ_n come_v justification_n to_o life_n as_o by_o adam_n come_v the_o curse_n or_o the_o sin_n to_o the_o condemnation_n of_o death_n but_o our_o justification_n which_o come_v by_o christ_n be_v by_o imputation_n and_o acceptilation_n by_o grace_n and_o favour_n not_o that_o we_o be_v make_v real_o that_o be_v legal_o and_o perfect_o righteous_a but_o by_o imputation_n of_o faith_n and_o obedience_n to_o we_o as_o if_o it_o be_v perfect_a and_o therefore_o adam_n sin_n be_v but_o by_o imputation_n only_o to_o certain_a purpose_n not_o real_a or_o proper_a not_o formal_a or_o inherent_a for_o the_o grace_n by_o christ_n be_v more_o than_o the_o sin_n by_o adam_n if_o therefore_o 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