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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A11528	A trewe mirrour or glase wherin we maye beholde the wofull state of thys our realme of Englande set forth in a dialogue or communicacion betwene Eusebius and Theophilus.	Saunders, Laurence, d. 1555, attributed author.	1556 (1556)	STC 21777; ESTC S100967	20,497	40

many become Antichristes alredye And therefore the daunger is not nowe onely but then and alwayes to be taken hede vnto And it is the more daunger in that they shall come in the name of Chryst pretendyng hys authoritye and by that meanes the rather deceaue the good simple mā beholde therefore I haue told you before saith the Lorde take hede c. Eusebius well yet I se not in al this but we haue as good cause to take hede of you as you of vs and more to for we are of greatter authorite and better can we showe for our selues then you T. That woulde I faine vnderstand for therein lyeth the whole matter E. Wel sir then harken first we are come to this poynt that betwene vs is stryfe whether we catholikes be the true churche of Chryst and you protestauntes false Prophetes or els we the false harlottes and you the trewe men The. Ye saye trueth nowe for the profe of your authorytye and that your catholykes be the true church of Chryste let vs heare what you can saye Eu. Thus I saye then that our churche hath been of a long continuaunce from Chrystes tyme vnto thys daye and it hath been also vniuersall thorowe out all Chrystendome not here or there but thorowe oute And they haue alwayes one consente within them selues now by these thre poyntes doe the greateste learned men geue a sure and certayne knowledge of the true church vnto all men that is to wite by antiquite vniuersalite and consent and me thynkes it sufficient for it cannot deceaue Theophilus Doe you thynke thys a sufficient proffe Eusebius Yea doutelesse what can you saye to the contrarye Theophilus Mary I say that by this reason ye maye proue the Scrybes and Pharyses to bee the true churche and Chryste to be a false Prophete for they professed Moises law and obserued it also better then your Catholikes doe now the gospel and thys law ye know was of great antiquitie and so were also many of theyr own tradicions that they had deuysed besyde that lawe so that they had antiquite sufficiente and vniuersall they were thoroweout all Iuda and Ierusalem as we thorowe Chrystendome and theyr consentye may vnderstande by the death of Chryste whereunto they all consented and agreed Eusebius Yea but ye must vnderstande that oure churche begane fyrste at Chryste and so from thence had her antiquitie and from him it beganne to be vniuersall and in hym the consente is effectuall Theophilus Naye then ye make your matter wursie then before Eusebius Dooe I so Theophilus Yea verely doe ye for tell me what thynke you of the churche of the Apostles was not that a perfecte true churche Eusebius Yes verely and so perfect as I beeleue there hath not been a perfecter Theophilus Very well but I praye you of what antiquitie were theyr You graunt that Chryst was the begynner of that churche beyng here a liuing man on earth And then howe could they alledge for themselues antiquitie And seyng they had not your markes specially antiquitie it shoulde appeare by your reason not to be the true churche or els if ye graunte that to bee the true churche and your churche and that churche haue not like probacion then muste youre churche be a false churche there is no remedy Eusebius Ye play the sophister with me now brother Theophilus T. Naye truly the reason is so playne that euery ploweman maye well vnderstande the same E. Well yet if they hadde not that antiquitie which we haue this maketh no discorde among vs for we haue antiquitie by the reasō we haue continued so longe in that doctryne and ordinaunces whiche they deliuered vnto vs now therfore is that same waxen olde by time which then was new begon and therfore thys is but a cauillacion of sophisters to shyft of an inconueniaunce whyche els would ensewe and thys is the maner of subtyle disputers as the most part of your opinion be subtile disputers and haue good heades full of inuencion and doutelesse many of them haue much learninge I moughte saye to muche well inoughe Theophilus That is the common saying of your catholykes nowe and yet I remember within these fewe yeares when they woulde crye oute and saie they haue no learning at all but onely haue redde an Englishe booke a to peny boke as for learning they had none And nowe agayne they saye they deceaue all the worlde by to muche learnyng thys they saye they care not what so they be talking But nowe whereas you thynke myne obieccion to be but a cauillacion ye muste vnderstande that it is a greate matter to deceaue men in the pryncypall poynte of our fayth as to reache vs to knowe the churche by a false meane as they saye by antiquitie whereas ye knowe the beste churche had it not But then whereas ye vrge antiquitie nowe for that ye haue of longe tyme continued in the doctryne and obseruaunces of the Apostles I denye that and put you to your proues wherin doe ye continew in the Apostles doctryne and obseruaunces Eusebius Forseth in all thynges that the churche teacheth there is nothyng as I thynke but the Scripture dooeth teache the same Theophilus Then I praye you tell me in what place of the Scripture doe you fynde that we ought to knele downe to crepe and kysse Images to sence them to decke them and trime them wyth such lyke or els rather tel me in how many places of the Scripture we be commaunded to the contrarye As in the second commaundemente and a thousande places beeside and like as in that poynte so almost in all the reste I could proue that your catholykes do not onely not folowe the doctrine of the holye Scripture but also teache another doctryne cōtrarye to the same now if they wyll yet for all that boast themselues of Chryste and the Apostles and yet teache another doctryne contrary to the holy Scriptures oughte we not to take hede and beware of them Eusebius Well yet tell me thys one thynge hath not Chryste had a Churche heare in earth euer sence hys resurreccion hath not the churche preached and continued visible a knowē churche styl in al places not in corners heare or there but thorowe oute all Christendom openly had the rule and gouerned the whole congregacion from time to time And your churche beganne of late yeares was a straunge thyng not knowen but a litell whyle in a fewe places of Germanye and so heare in England but it is quailed againe wythin short space and yet I cannot tell howe if it had been the trewe churche of Chryst it could not so sone haue been ouerthrowen wherfore if there were nothyng els but this reason yet is it sufficiente to stablysh the consciences of good simple men For there can be nothyng sayd vnto it Theoph. Yes Eusebius if ye list to hearken I wyll aunswere you in suche wyse as I trust you shal be satisfyed E. I wyl hearken gladlye Theophilus