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A68474 Appello Cæsarem A iust appeale from two vniust informers· / By Richard Mountagu. Montagu, Richard, 1577-1641. 1625 (1625) STC 18031; ESTC S112844 144,688 352

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opinion_n that_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n personal_o be_v that_o antichrist_n nor_o yet_o that_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n successive_o be_v that_o antichrist_n chap._n x._o pag._n 74._o mountagu_n what_o if_o i_o be_o not_o of_o that_o opinion_n what_o if_o ingenuous_o i_o profess_v so_o much_o that_o i_o be_o not_o of_o that_o opinion_n as_o indeed_o i_o be_o not_o i_o be_v occasion_v to_o show_v my_o opinion_n in_o the_o point_n by_o the_o gagger_n who_o charge_v our_o church_n in_o general_a with_o the_o private_a fancy_n and_o opinion_n of_o some_o man_n that_o the_o pope_n of_o rome_n be_v that_o very_a antichrist_n mention_v and_o foretell_v in_o the_o scripture_n i_o must_v needs_o avow_v it_o or_o disclaim_v it_o that_o i_o can_v not_o do_v without_o wrong_v the_o church_n and_o myself_o therefore_o i_o think_v it_o a_o honest_a man_n part_n ingenuous_o to_o profess_v what_o i_o think_v sure_o it_o