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A93387	Of the al-svfficient external proposer of matters of faith. Devided into tvvo bookes In the first. Is proved, that the true church of God, is the al-sufficient external proposer of matters of faith. In the second. Is shewed the manifold uncertanities of Protestants concerning the scripture: and how scripture is, or is not, an entire rule of faith. By C. R. doctor of diuinitie.	Smith, Richard, 1566-1655.	1653 (1653)	Wing S4156; ESTC R228293	181,733	514

c Potter sec 5. p. 2● 89. laude p. ●●7 165. Caluin Admon●s vlt. p. 3●2 marty● la● 4. c. 10. Protestants differ from Catholiks in that they doe not beleue al points of faith euen such as are necessarie to be beleued on●ly by reason of their clear reuelation sufficienly proposed to be necessarie to the wel being of faith euen by reason of the matter which they conte●ne when as indeed al points of faith are necessarie to the better being or perfection of faith euen by reason of the matter which they contein For as in natural things God doth not giue what is superfluous both to their being and also to their wel being or perfection so nether doth he in supernatural matters as are points of faith Whererpon the Apostle 1. Thessal 3. desired to add somethings which were wanting to their faith and yet doubtless nothing was wanting to the verie being of their sauing faith but only to the wel being or perfection thereof And Ephes. 4. he saith that God gaue Pastors to the consummation or perfection of Saints Wherfore as far as the better being or perfection of Christian faith or consummation of Saints reacheth so far also reacheth the infallibilitie of the Church And when some Catholiks say that the Church is infallible onely in things necessarie to saluation as Canus l. 5. loco 5. Stapleton Controu 4. q. 2. ad quartum argumentum and Bellarmin l. 4. de Pontifice c. 5. they doe not mean as some d Potter sec 5. p. 16. 17. 22. 29. Protestants think that she is infallible in things merely fundamental which are necessarie to saluation by reason of the matter or necessitate medij as the principal points of faith are necessarie but of things which are any way necessarie to saluation either by reason of their matter and their reuelation also or by reason of their reuelation only as other The Church infallible onely in things some way necessarie points of faith are necessarie and also which are necessarie ether to the verie being or to the berter being of saluation by reason of their matter as al points of faith are necessarie For in al things which are anie way necessarie to saluation and onely in things which are some way necessarie to saluation God hath giuen Infallibilitie to his Church Becaus as I said as in natural things he faileth not in any thing which is anie way necessarie to their being or better being so nether doth he faile or abound in supernatural things as is saluation 6. The last particle to be explicated whas meant by al and euerie one is To al and euerie one In which Protestants differ from Catholicks becaus they attribute Infallibilitie to the Church onely in things e Potter sec 5. p. 19. 29. absolutly necessarie to al mens faluation as Laude speaketh Relat. p. 355. or in things absolutly necessarie in themselues as he speaketh ibid. ●p 357. and generally Protestants say the Church is infallible b●t in fundamental points by which they mean onely such as are necessarie to euerie Christian as Potter saieth sect 7. p. 74. not such as are necessarie onely to some But seing Christ hath instituted his Church as a necessarie mean to saue al and euerie kinde of men she must needs be as in fallible in matters which are necessarie for the saluation onely of some as she is in matters which are necessarie for the saluation of al. For els he should faile in a necessaire meanes for the saluation of some kinde of men which were impious to think seing he came to saue al kinds of men and therfore he hath made his Church infallible as wel in matters of faith which are necessarie onely to the saluation of some kindes of men as which are necessarie to al kinds of men And this is so euident as whitaker Controu 2. q. 4. c. 2. confes●eth that in things necessarie to anie The ful sense of this question the Church erreth not So that our meaning in this question of the infallibilitie of the Church is that the Catholick or vniuersal Church throughe Gods efficatious assistance certainly or infallibly neuer erreth in anie point necessarie to saluation ether for the matter and diuine reuelation too or onely for diuine reuelation sufficiently proposed or necessarie ether to the being or wel being of faith ether of al men or of anie kinde of men So that in what point soeuer which is anie way necessarie to saluation ether of al or of anie men the Church infallibly neuer erreth through Gods efficatious assistance of her which assistance Christ hath most clearly promised to her as he hath promised to her remission of al sinnes and Protestants might as wel question her power for remission of some kindes of sinnes as question her infallibilitie in some points of faith SECOND CHAPTER In vvhich are laid dovvn rational grounds of that vvhich vve shal say of the Infallibilitie of the Church in matters of faith 1. THe first ground is that only Onely Gods word can be beleued with diuine faith Quomodo credet quem non aud●e runt Rom. 10. the word of God or what is said of God can be the material obiect or that which is beleeued with diuine faith This is euident becaus only that word which implieth contradiction to be fals can be the material obiect of diuine faith which implieth contradiction to beleeue aniething that is nottrue and such only is the word of God and no word of man or of anie creature And hence il followeth tha● Protestants cannot beleue with diuine saith either of these propositions The Bible is the word of God The present copies of the Bible are couformable to the original For a Chillinh c. 〈◊〉 p 90. la●d● sect 16. p 69. 70 〈◊〉 117. Hoober l. 2. §. 〈◊〉 Beza in Rom. 1. ●ee l. 2. c. 15. n. 8. and c. 5. sest 1. they maintein that the scripture is the sole and adaequat obiect of diuine faith and confessing which is euident that neither of the said propositions is in scripture nor is anie written word of God they must needs also confess that they haue no diuine faith of the said propositions Wherefore thus I argue in forme against them Onely the scripture or written word of God is the material obiect of diuine faith The said propositions are no scripture or written word of God Therefore they are no material obiect of diuine faith 2. The second ground is that onely Onely Authoritie or veracitie the form●l cause of bel●ef Authoritie or veracitie can be the formal obiect or formal cause of anie beleef whatsoeuer This also is euident For as the Apostle saieth Rom. 10. faith is of hearing and S. Austin lib. de vtil cred c. 11. That we beleue we ow● to authoritie that we Know to reason Which he hath also lib. de vera Religione c. 24. And it is confessed by Protestants For thus Whitaker l. 3. de scriptuta

honor and reuerence as the Queen and plainly Goddess of traditions And l. 1. c 36. relateth the foresaid words of Brentius and alloweth them Feild of the Church l 4. c. 20. Though we reiect the vncertain and vain traditions of the Papists yet we receaue the number and names of the Authors of books diuine and Canonical as deliuered by tradition The number authors and integritie of the partes of these books of Scripture we receaue as deliuered by Integritie of Scripture beleued by Tradition tradition Bel in his Downfal art 7. p 134. We receaue this tradition that the Scripture is the word of God p. 135. And so this tradition is not excepted but virtually included in our affirmation Moulins of Traditions c. 3. and 2● we reiect not al traditions for Scripture itself is a tradition Carleton in Consensu de Scriptura c. 9. I wil say freely what I think I think there are some Apostolical traditions euer conserued and to be conserued iu the Church For Austin said not in vain what the whole Church obserueth c. So he proued Baptisme of Infants to be an Apostolical tradition so also before him Origen From Apostolical traditiou we receaued the true Canon of Scripture and the true sense of the Canon From hence the Church doth celebrate the Lords day Canon and sense of it receaued by Tradition Aretius loco 33. calleth 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The Apostles Creed what books are Canonical which is the true exposition of scripture Item Vniuersal traditions necessarie to be obserued are the Apostles Creed which books be Canonical which is the true exposition of the chiefest places of scripture Laude Relat sec 16. p. 104. when the Fathers say we are to relie vpon scripture onely they are neuer to Note this be vnderstood with exclusion of Tradition in what case soeuer it may be had not but that the Scripture is abundantly sufficient in and to it self for al things but becaus it is deep and may be drawn into different senses and so mistaken if anie man wil presume vpon his own strenght and go single without the Church sec 11. p. 44. Some traditions I denie not true and firme and of great both authoritie and vse in the Church as being Apostolical And why is not the Churches tradition concerning Scripture one of these Ibid. As for that tradition That the books of holie Scripture are diuine I wil handle that hereafter And sec 16. cit p. 81. Against this tradition That the books of Scripture are the word of God the Church of England neuer excepted Sess 15. p. 57. It is not denied that this baptisme of infants is an apostolical tradition and therfore note to be beleued Protestants in Colloq Ratisb sess 11. Our aduersaries bring that tradition of Scripture of which there is no Controuersie at al among vs. And sess 1. We grant that Moyses books are Moyses that this is a tradition by the testimonie of the Church which could witnes that Moyses books were put into the Ark. Chillingworth c. 2. § 45. The Canon of Scripture as we receaue it is built vpon vniuersal tradition The Canon is built vpon vniuersal Tradition Vniuersal Tradition rule of Controuersies § 155. Vniuersal tradition is the Rule to iudge al Controuersies by § 114. It is vpon the authoritie of vniuersal tradition that we wold haue them beleue Scripture And though sometimes he teach that this vniuersal tradition is but humane and fallible and consequently Supra c. 2. sect 2. grant his faith of the Scripture and al that is in it is but humane and fallible as we haue seen before yet c. 3. n. 45. he auoucheth it to be as infallible as the Scripture For thus he writeth you were to proue the Church infallible not in her traditions which wee willingly grant if they be as vniuersal as the tradition of the vndoubted books of Scripture is to Vniuersal tradition as infallible a● Scripture be as infallible as the Scripture is Ibid. § 46. If you can of anie thing make it appeare that it is tradition we wil seek no farther Hooker also l. 3 § 8. If Infidels or Atheists chance at anie time to cal it Scripture in question this giueth vs occasion to sift what reason there is wherby the testimonie of the Church concerning scripture and our own perswasion which scripture itself hath confirmed may be proued a truth infallible Lo the Churches testimonie is a truth infallible And we may rest our assurance vpon a truth infallible and such is more then an inducement to faith Brentius also in the words afore cited saieth the Churches tradition concerning Scripture is certain firme and vndoubted And Morton saieth Protestants reuerence it as it were the Goddess of traditions 7. Moreouer they grant that it is a point of faith That scripture or the Bible is the word of God and as such it is put in their Confessions of faith Nay Hooker l. 1. § 14. saieth Of Anglica art 6. Gallica art 3. Belgica art 4. things necessarie the verie chiefest is to know what books we are bound to esteem holie l. 3. § 8. The main principle whervpon our beleif of al things therin conteined is that the scriptures Protestants main Principle are Oracles of God himself Laude Relat sec 11. § 2. calleth it prime principle of faith sec 16. § 2. Great principle in Diuinitie § 6. Great principle of faith the ground and proof of whatsoeuer is of faith P. 104. Cheifest principle P. 110. Main principle of Diuinitie Chillingworth c. 2. § 11. First principle Whitaker l. 2. de Scriptura p. 218. It is most of al necessarie that the certain Canon of scriptures be vndoubted among Christians Vshers Reioinder p. 63 Of al things this is most sure and ought to be beleued that the scripture is the word of God But this most necessarie most sure this prime this great this main point of faith is no written word of God For thus Laude sec 16. p. 70. There is no place in scripture which tels vs that such books conteining such and such particulars are the Canon and infallible wil and word of God Hooker l 1. § 14. Being perswaded by other means that these Scriptures are the Oracles of God Note themselues doe then teach vs the rest l. 4. § 4. It is not the word of God which doth or possibly can assure vs that we do wel to think it is in his word White in his Way p. 48. The certaintie of the Scripture is not written indeed with letters in anie particular place or book therof And I hope it is not written with Ciphers See more of their like Confessions supra c. 5. sec 2. 8. And yet Hooker l. 5. § 21. saieth We haue no word of God but the Scripture No word of God for their main Principle Whitaker Contro 2. q. 5. c. 18. We acknowledg no other word then written what doctrin soeuer is

authoritie both of God and of his Church in matters of faith and therfore the resolution of our beleef into ether of them is sufficient and rational For as when a King sendeth an Embassadour to tel vs some thing we beleue with humane faith what is told vs for the authoritie of them both as for one entire adioint cause of our beleef yet differently prinpally for the Kings authoritie and secondarily for the authoritie of his faithful Embassador so what we beleue with diuine faith we beleue for the authoritie both of God and of his Church as for one entire and total cause of our beleef but principally for the authoritie of God See infra c. 11 n. 1. and secondarily for the authoritie of his Church but with this difference that the King nether giueth nor increaseth the fidelitie of his Embassador but God giueth to his Church al the fidelitie she hath for matters of faith Wherfore al Christian faith is lastly resolued into Christs outward speach to his Church and into her outward speaking to vs both which speakers and speakings are but one in such sorte as is *q Sup. n. 12. before declared And when the Apostle saied Rom. 10. Faith is of hearing he meant not of hearing internally by inspiration Vvitaker cont 2. q. 4. c. 2 who hear the Church hea● Christ him ●elf but of hearing externally by preaching and doubtles meant of a last resolution of faith For hearing Christes lawful Preachers we heare him as before we shewed And the resolution of diuine faith into the Churches authoritie is both sufficient becaus her authoritie in matters of faith is plainly diuine and is also agreable to mens manner of getting faith who in ordinarie course are to haue their faith not from God immediatly speaking to them but from the Church immediatly speaking to them from God and therfore their faith is to be resolued immediatly into the authoritie of the Church and mediatly into the authoritie of God Wherfore wel saied Bellarmin l. 6. de Grat. lib. arb c. 3. Catholiks haue infallible faith becaus what they beleue they beleue becaus God saied it and that God said it they beleue becaus the Church testifieth it For what we beleue Christ told it to his Church and she hauing euer continued til our time telleth it vnto vs. And seing Protestants grant that faith may be welresolued into the authoritie of the r Infra c. 4. 〈◊〉 8. Apostles or of the s L. 2. c. 11. sect 1. scripture or vniuersal tradition becaus though their t Infra c. 10. n. 3. 6. 7. 9. authoritie be create yet by Gods efficacious assistance it is plainly diuine and infallible they shold not denie that faith may be also resolued into the authoritie of the Church becaus it is create authoritie seing Christ hath most clearly promised to assist his Church most efficaciously and also that the Apostle testifieth Rom. 10. That Faith hath its being from hearing the preaching of the Church And euerie thing is rightly resolued into that of which it hath its verie being especially seing the voice of the Church is the voice of Christ and that hearing her we hear him THIRD CHAPTER VVhat conditions are necessarie to the Al-sufficient external Proposer of pointes of faith appointed by God 1. CATHOLICKS and Protestants agree that there Twoe kindes of Proposers of faith are two kindes of Proposer of points of faith vnto men The one Internal who proposeth them internally to our mindes The other external who proposeth them externally to our senses Secondly they agree that the Internal Proposer is the Holie Ghost and the external some instituted by him Thirdly they agree that the Internal Proposer can by himself alone sufficiently propose al points of faith to vs and engender faith in vs without concurse of the external Proposer Fourethly they agree that ordinaril●y the Internal Proposer neuer proposeth points of faith to our mindes nor engendereth faith in vs but with the concurse and proposal of the external Proposer Fiftly they agree that the External Proposer can no way engender diuine faith in vs without the concurse of the internal So that they agree in al points touching the Internal Proposer and also concerning the External Proposer that there is such a one instituted of God that his concurse ordinariely is necessarie and that he cannot engender faith without concurse of the Internal Proposer but they disagree about the conditions necessarie to such an external Proposer and who he is but if we finde out the conditions necessarie to such a Proposer we shal easily finde who he is 2. The first condition necessarie to a sufficient external Proposer of Conditions necessarie to the external Proposer points of faith is that he be some intellectual person or Companie of Intellectual Persons This is euident out of the very word it self For a Prop●ser signifieth a person who proposeth And also becaus to propose points to be beleued is an act of vnderstanding and as our Sauiour saied to the first Proposers instituted by himself is to teach and preach or as the Apostle also speaketh to preach and to teach or Math. vlt. Marc. vlt. Rom. 10. preach are acts of vnderstanding Secondly becaus as we shal proue hereafter the external Proposer is instituted by God for to moue men to beleue points of faith for his authoritie and al authoritie properly speaking is in some intellectual person Whervpon when the Apostle saied Rom. 10. How shal they beleue without à Preacher he added that the Preacher must be lawfully sent which lawful sending giueth him authoritie or credit that he is worthie to be beleued in what he proposeth Thirdly becaus vnles we make the proposer to be some Person or persons we confound Proposer with proposal which are things clearly distinct and the Proposer is some person his Proposal is his word or writing so that a word or writing is no Proposer but onely à Proposal If anie obiect that the Church is proposed in the Apostles Creed to be beleued as wel as other points of faith are and being a thing proposed it cannot be the Proposer of al points of faith I denie the consequence For the Church being a companie of intellectual persons it can propose it self to be beleued to be the true Church as the Prophets and the Apostles proposed themselues to be such as wel as anie other thing which they preached But a dead writing cānot sufficiently propose it self as a Sup. c. 2. n. 5. Chillingworth before confessed and others b L. 2. c. 6. sect 2. hereafter wil confess of the scripture And the reason hereof is becaus a writing hath not of it self anie formal authoritie Besides though the Proposer and proposed may sometimes be the same thing yet the Proposer and Proposal cannot because the Proposal is that wher with the Proposer proposeth what is to be beleued as the writings of the Prophets or Apostles were their