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A90624	A vindication of The preacher sent, or A vvarrant for publick preaching without ordination. Wherein is further discovered. 1. That some gifted men unordained, are Gospel preachers. 2. That officers sustain not a relation (as officers) to the universal Church; and other weighty questions concerning election and ordination, are opened and cleared. In answer to two books. 1. Vindiciæ ministrij evangelici revindicatæ or the Preacher (pretendly) sent, sent back again. By Dr. Colling of Norwich. 2. Quo warranto, or a moderate enquiry into the warrantableness of the preaching of gifted and unordained persons. By Mr. Pool, at the desire and appointment of the Provincial Assembly of London. With a reply to the exceptions of Mr. Hudson and Dr. Collings against the epistle to the preacher sent. / Published by Frederick Woodal, minister of the Gospel at Woodbridge in Suffolk. Samuel Petto minister of the GospeI [sic] at Sandcraft in Suffolk.	Woodall, Frederick, b. 1614.; Petto, Samuel, 1624?-1711.	1659 (1659)	Wing P1902; Thomason E1728_2; ESTC R204138	152,808	253

such Acts to tell it unto So Ephes 3. 10. 21. 1. Tim. 3. 5. If a man i. e. any man knew not to rule his own house i. e. this or that house how shall he take care of the Church i. e. this or that Church 1 Tim. 3. 15. in the house of God which is the Church i e. in any Church where thou presidest 〈◊〉 Tim. 5 16. Let not the Church be charged i. e. any Church where the any man or woman mentioned by the Apostle having widdowes doth reside Heb. 2. 12. In the midst of the Church This declaring praise cannot be in the midst of the universal Church which never meeteth upon such Acts and therefore it is not meant of this or that particular onely but this and that and the other distinct indeed in distinct individual formes as Plato Socrates are distinct but agreeing in common nature inseparable inherent in them both Thus it is said the wife is bound 1. Cor. 7. 39 every particular wife the man is not of the Woman 1 Cor. 11. 8. nor this nor that man nor any man when the name of an Integrum is given to a part it s not so because its a part but because of the common nature so that the flesh of Iohn and the flesh of Thomas is all flesh as well as the flesh of the Leg and arme of either of them we do not think a particular Church formed unto fellowship according to institution is as so a part or hath its denomination for parts sake but being of the same kind with other Churches of the same constitution it s included in and represented by the same name for kindes sake This may answer the argument from the Apostles who because not officers to a certain particular onely are supposed to have been so to the universal For the Apostles were Officers in and over every particular by vertue of an immediate call and general commission wherin they have no successors which particulers though not parts as is already expressed may be signified by a singular word Church even as many common wealths as to order and government Independent may be so signified and it may be properly said God appointed for a common-wealth Rulers Judgges c. i. e. for this that and the other Common-wealth Nor is it ha●d to Imagin how one may have power in and over two or three or more yet they have no dependance one upon an other A Father may have ten daughters and each daughter her family distinct the Father hath power in each family though the particular sisters or their o fficers not so Nor are the arguments more cogent taken from baptism and excommunication Baptism makes not any one stand in relation to the Church more then the Lords-Supper nor is it administred that persons may be members of the body we know our brethren will not administer it to the heathens or Idolaters but to persons called from Idols i. e. to members in their sense of the visible Church We know our brethren qualified their Catholick notion with this terme solemn intending not admission in a general sense but solemn admission as the enlisting or enrolment of a soldier is his admission into the Army But its consistency with their other principles we see not If a soldier be casheired he is readmitted by a new enrolment If a member be excomunicate yet when absolved he is not rebaptized We need say no more to this argument here having occasion to meet it againe and to consider the Scriptures whereon it s built We rest very confident that some Parent Master or neighbour who through providence is instrumental to the converting of a sinner doth more to the entring a person into the body of Christ then any Minister ever did by Baptism or can do Though baptism entereth not a member into any Church yet where ever regularly performed is valid to its ends uses and consequential priveledges in every Church not by reason of the unity of Churches but upon an other account Suppose a man be free in London and have the seale of his freedom in that Corporation onely yet he is free to buy and sell in every Corporation in England and interested in common Priveledges where ever he is though not in proper as Jurisdiction and Government If he that sets the seal at London admits not into every Company and Corporation in the Land If communion with every Corporation in some things doth not prove such an union among them all as is between the members of some one Corporation The argument upon Baptism to prove a Catholick Church falleth to the ground Excomunication indeed separateth the person excomunicate from Relation to and communion with the body from which he is cut off 1 Cor. 55. 7. 13. But as a member forfeiting his freedom at London is formerly desfranchised there where he was actually a member and consequently incapacitated to claim the Priviledges which formerly he enjoyed by vertue of that freedom other where though London and other Cities and Townes Corporate make not one Corporation So it is in this case Mr. Hudson objects postcript page 5. several Corporations are constituted by several Charters c. and but the universal Church hath but one Charter from our Soveraigne under the same Systeme of Lawes c. Answ As the World according to the fellowship of Nature hath one Jus Gentium and Law of nature for the whole yet according to the fellowship of Order must of necessity be under other Lawes for the several parts thereof in those combined fellowships so the Church in the fellowship of its Nature or the whole company called to union and communion with the Lord Jesus hath one Law of faith obedience c. For all its individuals yet not one Law for the whole as such for Order Policy c. But the Churches in the fellowship of order have Lawes suitable to their order by the wil and appointment of Jesus Christ It s the Law of the universal Church that the members of it worship the Lord. It s the Law of the particular that the members meet and worship in one place 1 Cor. 11. 20. 14. 23. thus they walk together in ordinances so that walking in ordinances with an other Church neglecting it in this is sinful because every one is bound to walk with the same Church whereof he is a member That Text is yet in controversie 1. Cor. 12. 28. God hath set some in the Church we said its paralel to God hath set the members every one in the body verse 18 If this prove not a Catholike body nor doth that prove a Catholick Church D● Collings replyeth the body is totum integrale If members had been enumerated not confined to the service of that particular it would have proved a universal body Answ The body to which the Church is compared is totum intigrale Organicum but particulare so is the Church The Apostles had place and power over more then this

particular yet as Church-Officers no place in nor power over any but particulars It is usual to apply general termes indeterminately to particular things as to say the wife is bound the man is the head of the woman i. e. This and that man wife c. so set in the Church i. e. in this and that and the other Church Mr. H. replyeth further several bodies are one body genericaly not Integraty because not united by one external bond but the Vniversal Church is united into one body by bonds of the same Soveraigne the same Lawes covenant c. pa. 6. Answ Either particular associations are no institutions of Christ or they have several unions Lawes Acts and Ends Men as men have their union Law Acts c. Men as Armies as bodies politick have their union Law Acts differing So christians as christians have their Law proper to that state Christians as a common wealth their Law proper to that state and differing from the other Law If Church Vnion be one and that Catholick union then schism the breach of that union must be as the catholick breach so that though a member cease worshipping with this assembly in this place yet if he worship with any assembly part of the Church Catholike in any place he is no Schismatick upon which reason the loud outcry against Sepration is unjust as it is unreasonable upon an other account we therefore yet renounce the name and thing of a Church of Churches or a visable Catholick Church formed unto fellowship in new Testament ordinances in which term we declared our sense but do not renounce the Scripture nor reason much lesse our own bretheren as Dr. Collings hath rashly affirmed Our thoughts for this Abrenuntiation were confirmed in five particulars wherein all exceptions considered we find● nothing for Retractation 1. N● part hath the power of a whole in it Every particular Church hath the power of a whol in it Ergo No particular Chur●h is a part Exception Dr. Col. A particular Church hath not the Power of the whole because not Power to make a Synod nor to ordain nor to excommunicate Answ His reason from a Synod is reason'esse The common wealth of England is a whole and hath the power of a whole in it● yet a controversie arising of what nature soe ver it be between Eng. and another common-wealth or commonwealths Eng. hath no power to constitute commissioners who shall debate determine and compose that difference yet Power to meet in a treaty is as much kingdome power as power to meet in a Synod is Church power Ergo either Englands power is incompleat or the Drs. Argument is so His argument from Ordination and Excommunication is but named therefore in this place we do but deny it Where nothing is proved nothing is found to be answered Excep Mr. Hudson A particular Church is a whole in reference to its own members but in reference to the rest of the Church it is a part as a Corporation is compleat according to its constitution yet a member of a greater body Answ If a Corporation be considered with reference to other Corporations to which it stands co-ordinate it is a whole not a member not a part If with reference to a Kingdome to which it stands Subordinate t is a part a member not a whole So if a particular Congregation be considered with reference to other Congregations to which it stands Co-ordinate it is a whole not a part If with reference to a Church to which it stands Subordinate t is a part not a whole But there is no such Church The Subordination which our brethren plead for is of the Church to Officers not of a Church to a Church And that Officers are not called the Church in Scripture we shall shew and that by their own principles they cannot be stiled so 2. Every whole is really distinct from every part and from all its parts Collectively considered no Church of Churches is really distinct from all particular Churches Ergo There is no such Church Except Dr. C. Mr. H. There 's a fallacy in the Argument It is a Maxime in Logick Totum reipsa non dissert a partibus simul sumptis unitis Answ Our Argument is right according to that Rule Partes simul sumptae do not constitute a Totum except they be unite or the whole differs from all the parts Collectively considered though unitively considered it differs not suppose ten heaps of Corne in one Room contayning all the Corne which is in the World which afterwards are reduced into one great heap when they are ten they are not one and when they are one they are not ten Of the supposed union of the universal Political Church something hath been spoken already and more will occur under the head of union 3. There is no universal visible meeting to worship God Ergo No universal visible Church for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifies Congregation or Assembly company meeting together Except Dr. Collings There is an universal meeting of the Church Catholick visible at the Throne of Grace c. Answ We wonder at his discourse upon this Argument for from our instance of the Church of the first-borne gathered indeed in one spirit united unto one head meeting invisibly in one worship he would obtain this That although there be no local meeting yet there may be a visible Church when it speakes plainly thus much viz. as invisible union and invisible communion is necessary unto the being of the invisible so visible union visible communion is necessary to the being of the visible church although we may be present with Dr. Collings in spirit and he with us never coming together in the same place yet visibly present we cannot be nor in the performance of any visible work Exc. Mr. H. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifies a calling out not a calling together the particular congregation is rather 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 then 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Answ That particular Congregations and Assemblies of people whether civil or sacred are in Scripture alwaies termed 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 never 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Mr H. cannot be ignorant what he writes therefore is not a Corrective from the writings of weake men but for the Scriptures of the most wise God by which alone we desire to measure our notions and expressions in this controversie Be it so that the Scottish word Kirk and the English word Church comes from 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which signifies the Lords all assemblies are not so properly the Lords as Church-Assemblies as 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 yet as is the Church so is the union thereof so the worke and meeting thereunto the Vniversal Church is the general assembly Heb. 12. 23. meeting in one place spiritually and invisibly they are all come to mount Sion to the City of the living God To the heavenly Jerusalem Heb. 12. 22. They are all chosen out of the World 10. 15. 19. i. e. called

taken in a strict sence to denote onely a relation to a particular Church for Bishops Pastors and Teachers are the same officers under different names 3. If we were convinced that there were such a Universal visible Church made up of all particulars we should then grant that the Office of the Ministry as it resides in every particular Minister had that Church of Churches for its correlate as much as the Office of a Justice of peace which he instanceth in as it resides in the whole number of Justices hath the whole nation as a correlate but still we should think that every particular Minister were limitted in his Office to a particular Church as a Justice is to a particular County Dr. Collings useth three Arguments to prove that the Office of the Ministry relates not onely to the particular Church but to the Catholick Church viz. that they may do acts of Office and Authority beyond the bounds of that particular Church over which they are more especially set Argu. 1. Those whom God hath given for the edifying of the body of Vind. Revind pag. 33. Christ are related to the Universal Church But God hath given Pastors and Teachers for the edifying of the body of Christ Ephes 4. 12. 13. Ans 1. This Argument from Eph. 4. v. 12. 13. for the substance of it is answered Preacher sent p. 295. 2. This Argument doth not conclude the question if such a Universal Church could be proved we might grant them to be some way related to it yet not as Officers His Argument if it were to the purpose should conclude not onely that Pastors and Teachers are related to the Universal Church but 1. As Officers 2. As to their correlate whereas if a Universal Church were the body of Christ there intended the place alledged Eph. 4. doth only specifie that the edifying of that body is one end of giving Pastors and Teachers and a correlate must be existing before the end of the relatoin can be attained and so that body may not be the correlate to Pastors and Teachers In his following this Argument there is an altering of the phrase from the Universal visible Church or body about which the question is unto the mystical body of Christ. If we grant that Pastors and Teachers are related to the mystical body of Christ which is made up onely of the Elect yet we may deny them to be related to it as Offices or that to be the correlate to their Office They may be given for the edifying of that body although they have no work appointed them by Jesus Christ to do but onely in a particular Church that body is edified if any member of it be edified Argu. 2. Those whom God hath commissionated to Preach and Baptize Vind. Revin Pag. 34. all Nations are not related onely to a particular Church but to the Catholike Church yea to the whole world But God hath commissionated his Ministers to go Preach and Baptize all Nations Ergo Ans 1. His major may fairly be denyed if it speaketh to the question as stated by himself Vind. Revind pag. 33. We say those whom God hath commissionated to Preach to and Baptize all Nations are so related to particular Churches as that they may not do acts materially and formally of Office and Authority beyond the bounds of the particular Churches they are over As the whole number of Justices of Peace in this Nation are commissionated to perform the acts of Justices in all Counties and shires in England yet the office of a Justice of Peace as it resides in this or that particular person as himself observeth Vind. Revind pag. 31. 32. is limited by his Commission to such a County and he cannot act as a Justice beyond the bounds of that County of shire So the whole number of Church-Officers may be commissionated to perform acts of Office in all Nations yet the Office as it resides in this or that particular person is limited to a particular Church so as none may do acts of Office beyond the bounds of that particular Church which the person is over 2. To his minor we say The commission Mat. 28. 19. was not onely for the Apostles in the substance but in the Universality it was for them onely Apostles as such were extraordinary Officers and had no successors Were this Commission ours in the Universality we see not how we could fix with a good conscience As warrantably might a man confine his ministry to a family when appointed to a Church as confined to a church when appointed for all the world Our granting that the commission reacheth Officers now in the substance of it is enough to evidence how far we are from shaking hands with Socinus Smalcius c. though we deny their Office to have the same extent that the Apostles had Argu. 3. His third Argument is drawn ab absurdo Vind. Revind p. 35. There are five absurdities which he layeth at our door against which we have sufficiently justified our selves in the body of our discourse out of the womb of two principles he mid-wives forth these Pr. 1. That the Authority of him who Preacheth is that which makes the action of the hearer duty Pr. 2. That an act of Office cannot be done by him who is no Officer Vind. Revind pag. 35. Ans The latter of these is fully spoken to Preacher sent pag. 278. 279. 280. And in the same book we have largely proved this principle That many gifted men who are not in Office have Authority or a command and warrant from Christ to Preach From which joyned with Dr. Collings first principle aforementioned it will appear that the absurdities Vind. Revin Pag. 36. he talketh of are pitiful non sequiturs For hence it followes 1. That where there are no particular Churches formed yet the people are bound to come to hear because many gifted men not in office have authority to preach and it is the authority of the speaker saith he that maketh the action of the hearer duty and this taketh off his first absurdity 2. That in England where there is neither Church nor officer yet they may wait upon that publike meanes which is a special appointment of Christ to save their souls for gifted men not in office have authority to preach and so his second absurdity cometh to nothing 3 That where a particular Church is formed when their Officer preacheth not on the Lords day yet the members are bound to hear though gifted men not in office preach for they have authority from Christ to do it 4 That persons not of that Ministers Church who Preacheth may go in faith for he hath authority as a gifted man to preach unto those that are not members of his Church and so his fourth absurdity is taken away His fift Concerning giving the Sacrament to one that is not a member of his Church we have spoken sufficiently to elsewhere And here let us expostulate a little can Dr.

answer offered to them whereby it would come to passe that the cause would appear more weak when it wanteth no strength to support it And as there is liberty of spirit or vanity bewrayed even in the Drs. Title page so we meet with insulting language here and there in both their books all which considered we desire thou wouldst not think their books unanswerable if they reply to us and we do not answer aga●n 5. If th●● requirest after that man of God Mr. Iohn Martin whose name is in the title page of our former book but not in this know be●● gone to God and by a passage through the g●t●s of death hath obtained rest from all his labours who owned this cause in which he was ingaged with us to the last and witnessed his approbation and to use his owne expression when in his last sicknesse free concurrence with us in so much of his book as was prepared and came under his eve 6. That whereas Mr Charke of Waldron in Sussex in the latter end of his book hath pretended to answer six arguments which are found in the latter end of our book the reason why we gave him no reply is partly because of his book we apprehend him to be of such a spirit that an answer would only exasperate his corruption partly because his replyes are very weak and need no answer nor are worth the answering This is all at present onely That the Lord who gives the light without may annoint their eyes with eye-salve and make thee see is the prayer of Thine to serve thee in the work of the Gospel Frederick Woodal Sam. Petto Mon. 1. day 27. 1659. A vindication of the Epistle THe vindication of our Epistle to the former book intituled the Preacher Sent Wherein the nature of a Church capable of Officers and of being preached unto by such Office-wise is cleared from the exceptions of Dr. Collings in his reply and of Mr. Hudson in his addition or postscrip to his vindication of the Church Catholick visible As we saw it needful to assert in our other book our perswasion of the nature of a Gospel Church for the better clearing the nature of office and of power of preaching Office-wise therein So the Dr. saw it incumbant unto him to overturne if possible that foundation which he calleth 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 but we 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in this controversie an account whereof was given by us in these words A-Church formed unto fellowship in new Testament Ordinances and is a particular company of Saints in mutual union for mutual fellowship in the meanes of worship appointed by Christ for the glory of God and edification of their own souls and the good of others 1. This description he examineth in the six particulars thereof That it is a company he grants and that one cannot properly be called a Church we accept of this but if he thinketh by a figure one may be called so as his assertion qualified with a strictly and properly seemeth to imitate we doubt his figurative will be found not a Scriptural but anti-scriptural sense no better then that wherein a Prelate a Pope claimeth the denomination not as properly but vertua●● so against whose usurpations himselfe stands justly engaged as well may one man be called a City as one man a Church which cannot be in any sense 2 A particular company Dr. C. I cannot fathom your notion of particular c. Answ That notion is not singular a man cannot travel far in this controversie scarce in any author but he meets it and comes acquainted with it It is indeed opposed to universal 1. If a universal company of Saints holding forth the word of Life in a conversation becomming the Gospel may be called a universal visible Church 2. If all the members of particular Churches are or ought to be members of this universal yet the particular Churches themselves as such are not members That forme which giveth them their being as such implyeth another union and is attended with other Lambs and orders then the vniversall is ingaged in or obliged unto as shall more fully appear in its due place 3. As therefore a flock of sheep a swarme of bees being part of that company of sheep of Bees which is in the World may be called a particular company of sheep bees c. though as a flock Swarme they be no parts but otherwise distinguished and so a Church of Saints part of that company of Saints which is in the World may be called a particular company and stand related to the universal but as Saints not as Churches of Saints as we expressed our selves before under this head But the controversie is not onely about a word he now disputes for the term universal to have been put in the place of particular Dr. C. an universal theam in Logick is that which is apt to be predicated of many Church is such a Theam Answ We wonder that a man of learning should run into such a contradiction to Mr. H. unto whom we are sent for further light i● this controversie and also to himselfe within the verge of the same Paragraph 1. He contradicts Mr. H. who expresly denies that the Church Catholick is a Genus or universal notion and Theame apt to be predicated concerning many in the 4th Chapter of a vindication of the essence and unity of the Church Catholick visible 2. He contradicts himselfe when in the next leaf he affirms that the Church Catholick is Totum integrale which we are sure is not apt to be predicated of many naturally if the whole were predicated of the part The part might be said Vind. Sheibl Topic. Cap. 28. Sthal Axion Tit. 9. Reg. 9. to be the whole The head the body the branch the tree because Animal is predicated of Homo Homo is aptly said to be Animal But because he sends us to Mr. Hudson to Mr. H. we will go and willingly as to a man that understands himselfe whose moderation conjoyned with learning and diligence in this controversie though professedly against us we highly respect and value 1. He urgeth Scriptures where the word Church is used not applicable to a particular Church Acts 8. 3. c. 2. He useth arguments to prove that every Officer is an Officer to a universal because by baptism he admits into it and by Excomunication casts out of it not into or out of a particular onely Answ The term Church in the singular number is frequently used in Scripture to signifie not a universall Church nor a singular onely as in some of his Scriptures but this and that and the other particular as amongst many other in the Scriptures hereafter mentioned Mat. 18. 17. Tell the Church i. e. this or that Church in which the offence was committed Surely none will say that after taking one or two the offended brother must in the next place tell it to the universal Church where doth any such Church meet for