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A66958 The Catholicks defence for their adoration of the body and blood of our Lord as believed really and substantially present in the Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist. R. H., 1609-1678. 1687 (1687) Wing W3439; ESTC R16193 35,372 45

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the_o other_o but_o the_o influence_n it_o have_v upon_o our_o action_n so_o he_o but_o what_o be_v more_o manifest_a than_o that_o the_o influence_n which_o a_o mistake_n have_v upon_o our_o action_n as_o to_o make_v they_o culpable_a or_o innocent_a be_v not_o always_o the_o same_o but_o very_o various_a and_o often_o contrary_a render_v they_o sometime_o blameless_a sometime_o faulty_a according_a as_o the_o mistake_n be_v exor_a in_o exusable_a next_o he_o grant_v ibid._n ibid._n 5._o a_o catholic_n tradition_n of_o transubstantiation_n to_o be_v a_o sufficient_a ground_n for_o adoration_n but_o the_o catholic_n tradition_n that_o be_v plead_v here_o necessary_a for_o adoration_n be_v only_o that_o of_o a_o corporal_a presence_n now_o for_o a_o sufficient_a evidence_n of_o such_o a_o tradition_n i_o refer_v the_o conscientious_a reader_n to_o what_o have_v be_v say_v before_o wave_v that_o of_o transubstantiation_n as_o to_o this_o controversy_n though_o the_o same_o catholic_n tradition_n authorize_v both_o namely_o a_o corporal_a presence_n by_o a_o mutation_n of_o the_o element_n into_o our_o lord_n body_n this_o from_o from_o 24._o of_o the_o rational_a ground_n catholic_n have_v for_o their_o adoration_n sect_n 30_o 8_o lie_n for_o such_o rational_a ground_n thereofre_v of_o their_o worship_n as_o be_v here_o give_v and_o not_o from_o any_o excess_n of_o charity_n or_o from_o the_o singular_a fancy_n of_o some_o few_o though_o learned_a man_n as_o dr._n stillingfleet_n in_o his_o preface_n to_o roman_a idolatry_n will_v insinuate_v idolatry_n be_v by_o many_o protestant_n of_o late_a either_o not_o at_o all_o or_o but_o faint_o charge_v on_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n for_o first_o see_v mr._n thorndike_n in_o his_o epilogue_n 3._o l._n 30._o c._n p._n 350._o i_o say_v first_o say_v he_o that_o the_o adoration_n of_o the_o eucharist_n which_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n prescribe_v be_v not_o necessary_o idolatry_n i_o say_v not_o what_o it_o may_v be_v accidental_o by_o that_o intention_n which_o some_o man_n may_v conceal_v and_o may_v make_v it_o idolatry_n as_o to_o god_n but_o i_o speak_v upon_o supposition_n of_o that_o intention_n which_o the_o profession_n of_o the_o church_n form_v and_o in_o his_o just_a weight_n c._n 19_o p._n 125._o they_o who_o give_v the_o honour_n proper_a to_o god_n to_o his_o creature_n be_v idolater_n they_o that_o worship_v the_o host_n give_v the_o honour_n due_a to_o god_n to_o his_o creature_n this_o be_v take_v for_o a_o demonstration_n that_o the_o worship_n of_o the_o host_n be_v idolatry_n but_o will_v any_o papist_n acknowledge_v that_o he_o honour_v the_o element_n of_o the_o eucharist_n or_o as_o he_o think_v the_o accident_n of_o they_o for_o god_n will_v common_a reason_n charge_v he_o to_o honour_n that_o which_o he_o believe_v not_o to_o be_v there_o if_o they_o be_v there_o they_o will_v not_o take_v they_o for_o god_n and_o therefore_o they_o will_v not_o honour_v they_o for_o god_n and_o that_o be_v it_o not_o say_v that_o they_o shall_v be_v idolater_n if_o the_o element_n do_v remain_v that_o must_v make_v they_o idolater_n and_o epilogue_n p._n 357._o in_o general_a he_o say_v whoso_o admit_v idolatry_n i._n e._n in_o any_o point_n whatever_o to_o be_v teach_v by_o the_o roman_a church_n can_v by_o no_o mean_n grant_v it_o to_o be_v a_o church_n the_o very_a be_v whereof_o suppose_v the_o worship_n of_o one_o god_n exclusive_a to_o any_o thing_n else_o the_o roman_a church_n then_o must_v either_o be_v free_v from_o the_o imputation_n of_o command_v any_o thing_n that_o be_v idolatry_n i._n e._n adoration_n of_o a_o creature_n for_o god_n or_o we_o must_v affirm_v there_o to_o be_v and_o to_o have_v be_v no_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n never_o since_o such_o command_n of_o that_o which_o they_o say_v be_v idolatry_n go_v forth_o which_o no_o judicious_a protestant_n i_o think_v have_v or_o dare_v say_v of_o the_o roman_a church_n since_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o adoration_n of_o the_o eucharist_n for_o what_o church_n or_o sect_n of_o religion_n can_v be_v apostate_n at_o all_o if_o not_o a_o church_n commit_v and_o command_a idolatry_n even_o the_o worship_v of_o a_o piece_n of_o bread_n which_o themselves_o make_v for_o that_o god_n which_o make_v they_o and_o heaven_n and_o earth_n and_o thus_o bishop_n forbes_n de_fw-fr euchar._n l._n 2._o c._n 2._o perperam_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d romanensibus_fw-la a_o plerisque_fw-la protestantibus_fw-la objicitur_fw-la &_o illi_fw-la idololatriae_fw-la crassissimae_fw-la &_o gravissimae_fw-la ab_fw-la his_fw-la insimulantur_fw-la &_o damnantur_fw-la cum_fw-la plerique_fw-la romanenses_n ut_fw-la &_o alii_fw-la fideles_fw-la credant_fw-la panem_fw-la consecratum_fw-la non_fw-la esse_fw-la amplius_fw-la panem_fw-la sed_fw-la corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la unde_fw-la illi_fw-la non_fw-la panem_fw-la adorant_fw-la sed_fw-la tantum_fw-la ex_fw-la suppositione_n licet_fw-la falsa_fw-la non_fw-la tamen_fw-la haeretica_fw-la aut_fw-la impia_fw-la vel_fw-la cum_fw-la