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A64702 The church-papist (so-called), his religion and tenets fully discovered in a serious dispute ... whereby the common ... arguments of pretended visibility, succession, universality, &c., of the Roman Church ... are briefly confuted : whereunto is added, a short discourse proving episcopacy to be of divine institution, kingly government of Gods setting up, and the religion of the Church of England, to be the best in the world / by one of the children of the late captivity, 1680. Underwood, John, fl. 1680. 1680 (1680) Wing U46; ESTC R7367 28,086 42

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all Hereticks converted Nations deprived and restored Bishops called Councils c. that is the true Church But only the Roman is such Ergo only the Roman is the true Church The Major you say is plain because these Privileges belong to the Authority of the Mother-Church which is Matrix Radix omnium Ecclesiarum I answer you should first have proved her to be the Mother-Church Radix c. before you exercise or can claim the Authority of a Mother I would fain know what Church is the Mother of the Roman or is Rome it self Motherless for I deny her to be the Mother of the universal Church of God yet do agree that those Privileges you mention do belong to the Authority of the Catholick Church but 't is an insolent and intolerable usurpation of the Rights and Privileges of the Universal Church for any particular Church to confine all the Catholick Privileges to her particular self I am sure she hath not this power from Christ to judge and condemn her Sisters for she is not Matrix Radix omnium Ecclesiarum as you say there were elder than she therefore she at best but a Daughter Church and Sister to others Jerusalem if any particular was it as was prophesied of old Mic. 4.2 and fulfilled Luke 24.47 and so Theodoret lib. 5. Hist Eccl. cap. 9. tells us Ecclesia Hierosolymitana quae aliarum omnium Mater And Men were first called Christians not at Rome but at Antioch Acts. 11.26 St. Gregory Nazian saith The Church of Caesaria was Mater prope omnium Ecclesiarum meaning of neighbouring Churches not of the whole Catholick Church Et Constantinopolitana Ecclesia dicitur omnium aliarum caput so in that sense and no other Rome may be called Head of those Churches in her Patriarchat Every particular Church that teacheth the Catholick Doctrine may be called Catholick as a Member of the universal and so was the particular Roman whilst it held all things true concerning the Faith but never was she Mater Radix omnium Ecclesiarum for the Universal Church hath no particular or locall Root of its being Jerusalem as I said before if any was it Or if you will have a particular Root of the Catholick Church 't is in the East not in the West at Rome se praecisam esse a Radice orientalium Ecclesiurum c. St. August Epist 170 But the Head Root Matrix Fountaine c. of Rome and all other particular Churches is the Catholick Church and her Unity and to break her Uunity by usurping a Power or Priority which Christ never gave is at the least abominable if not certainly damnable 't is against a command too The Text is clear There was a strife among the Apostles which should be greatest St. Luke 22.14 Christ answered them The Princes and Rulers exercise Dominion c. but it shall not be so with you He that will be greatest c. St Matt. 20.26 There is no Priority much less Superiority given to Churches National Tertullian tells us Omnes Primae omnes Apostolicae dum unam omnes probant unitatem de praescript advers Haeret. cap. 20. Porro unam esse primam Apostolicam ex qua reliquae hanc nulli loco affigit B. Rhenanus therefore not at Rome And it is to be observed that Tertullian long since numbering the then Apostolical Churches reckons Rome last of them Tertull. ibid. cap. 32. and Pamelius lately puts Rome after others cap. 21. num 129. what you speak out of St. Augustin In Ecclesia Romana semper viguit Apostolicae Cathedrae Principatus that in Rome there did always flourish the Principality of an Apostolick Chair in relation to the West and South parts of the Church all the other four Apostolical Chairs being in the East doth not give Rome nor the Pope thereof power to exercise this Principality beyond his Limits out of his own Patriarchate over the whole Church of Christ for in the same Epistle of St. August Epist 162. Melciades then Bishop of Rome had leave granted him to hear a matter of the Donatists adjudged by the African Bishops and other Bishops by the Emperour were sent Judges to determine with him for if he had done it without leave the Epistle tells us it had been an usurpation seeing ad cujus curam c. ibid. it belonged to the Emperours care and charge and that he is to give an account to God for it Yea a Pope himself saith 'tis Antichristian to be stiled universal Bishop St. Greg. l. 4. Epist 78 monstrous and blasphemous Absit a cordibus Christianorum Nomen illud Blasphemiae ibid. Epist 76 and further St. Greg. Epist 83. In isto scelesto vocabulo consentire nihil aliud est quam fidem perdere So the Roman was not then universal Bishop had no power over Patriarchs and National Bishops no Monarch over the whole militant Church for near six hundred years after Christ and Britain in those times was never subject to the See of Rome for it had a Primate of its own Et a Patriarcha non datur Appellatio saith the Civil Law from whom lies no Appeal Now then the general power of anathematizing Hereticks depriving Schismaticks restoring Orthodox Bishops c belong to the Catholick Church Militant and her Authority in general Councils lawfully by her called and constituted and that the Catholick Church is our Mother no man will deny that accounts God to be his Father But this Holy Catholick Church mentioned in the Apostle's Creed is not the Church of Rome nor any other particular Church on Earth The Holy Catholick Church there spoken of contains not only the whole militant Church on Earth but the whole Triumphant alive in Heaven for so St. August Euch. cap. 56. Ecclesia hic tota accipienda est non solum ex parte quae peregrinatur in terris c. verùm etiam ex illa quae in Caelis And who converted Nations originally Did not Christ send out his Apostles and seventy Disciples at another time and then after sent many more were not then Apostles Apostolick men and the general Church they that converted and confuted Nations and planted the Church of Christ in the World Now this Holy Catholick Church before ever Rome was a Church is Matrix Radix omnium Ecclesiarum of Rome as well as other The Catholick Church was ever one and the same Church viz. the Church of God spread over the whole World and as before described by St. August Rome could never be it for if Rome a particular Church can be now the Catholick Church then by the same Rule if it be not out of Rule some other particular Church before it was the Catholick Church and how came that to lose it and Rome to get it that it is now as you say translated to Rome and doth it not follow by the same rule that Rome also may transire in non Ecclesiam pass way in no Church for what Patent or holy Charter
from Heaven hath Rome above the former and above other particular Churches that it shall there remain to the end of the World Nay they that most stand for it even the greatest Champion Rome hath can only say 'T is a pious and probable Opinion to think Cathedram Petri non posse seperari a Roma proinde Romanam Ecclesiam non posse errare vel deficere Bellar. de Ro. Pont. cap. 4. so 't is but pretended probality and that is no proof able to convince However he that thinks the contrary viz. that the particular Church of Rome can err and fall away from the Faith which the true Church can never do I mean the Catholick Church before described can never fall away from the Faith and St. Peters Chair be severed from Rome is by Bellarmines own confession no Heretick for he adds Contraria sententia nec est Haeretica nec manifesta erronia Bellarm. ibid. And if the Apostolick Chair can be removed from Rome and the Roman Church fall away from the Faith then it is so far being the only Catholick that it ceaseth to be a part of the Catholick Church where it appeareth that Rome never was is or can be The only Catholick Church of Christ Your fourth Argument from Universality of the Roman Church hath its Answer already in a great measure But something more I shall particularly answer to the same which you propound thus Arg. 4. That Church is only Catholick which is dispersed through all Nations But only the Roman is dispersed through all Nations Ergo the Roman only is the Catholick Church And how comes the denomination of the Church to be changed from Christian to Roman certainly 't is no small fellony to rob the Church of the more honourable Appellation and give it your own name Men were first called Christians at Antioch and yet the Universal Church was never stiled Antiochian If you make a difference between the Christian Faith and the Roman speak out and confess it If you mean the Christian Faith why do you not say so alter your Minor Proposition and the conclusion will follow for the Church of Christ and I 'le assent to it without more ado for then your Proposition will be true and you will contend without an Adversary But have you any other Doctrine can parallel this Sacriledge in taking away the Christian Name from the universal Church of Christ As though the Spouse of Christ could become Anabaptist forget her Virgin Name and change her Beloved Is Christ and Rome convertible Is the Gospel of Christ become the Gospel of the Pope or hath the Pope a Gospel of his own that is spread over the World was there not a true Church that had Radix Essentiae and is the Root Essence and Being to Rome and other particular Churches before Rome received the Faith And what was that Church called not Roman surely And why did you not say the Church of Jerusalem or the Church of Antioch c. where the first Plantation was is dispersed through all Nations Ergo the Church of Jerusalem Antioch c. only is the Catholick Church it had been more tollerable though as little to sence The first Appellation before ever Rome was a Church viz. Christian shall stand with me for ever I dare not change from Christian to Roman in as much as Christian Religion is elder and was before ever Rome was converted therefore Christian not Roman is the primitive and right term and name of the universal Church Besides How the Roman or any particular Church can be the Catholick for at best she was but a Catholick Church is no ways apparent St. Cyril tells us Catholica est illa quae diffusa est per universum Orbem Rome is not the universal but the Christian Church is so not Catholick in extent Romana Ecclesia particularis confesseth Bellarmin lib. 4. de R. Pont. c. 4. so not the Catholick Church Rome it self must be judged by Scripture and the Catholick Church and is right no further than it agrees with the Catholick and not the Catholick Church by it Our fierce Adversary Stapleton pours out his Reason why Roman is esteemed Catholick Quia ejus Communio erat evidenter certissimè cum tota Catholica So you see the Communion of the Roman was with the Catholick not of the Catholick with it And St. Cyprian in the rent and open Schism between Cornelius and Novatian employed his Legates c. Elaborarent ut ad Catholicae Ecclesiae unitatem scissi sorpor is membra componerent Now the members of this torn Body were they of Rome then in open Schism between Cornelius and Novatian St. Cypr. li. 2. Ep. 10. And St. Cyprian endeavoured to bring Rome to the Unity of the Catholick so Rome then was not The Catholick nor is the Radix c. or can she be her own Original There is a double Root as one learnedly observes Radix Essentiae which gives Essence and Being to Rome and all other particular Churches and there is Radix Existentiae as Rome with all other particular Churches and no more than other Patriarchal Churches which was and is the Root of the Churches Existence agreeable to that known and received Rule in Art that Universals give Essence to their Particulars and Particulars supply their Universals with Existence But to shut up and confine the Universal Church of Christ as it is now spread in the narrow compass of Rome only is ridiculous Nonsence Ecclesia non in parietibus consistit saith St. Jerom in Psal 133. The Church is every where ubi fides vera c. You bring in St. Paul to say Rom. 1.8 that the Roman Faith was preached in all the World But you abuse St. Paul for 't is not said preached nor is it said Roman Faith Their Faith was spoken of as his course was to commend and encourage the faithful in every place St. Paul intending to impart to them some spiritual gift for they were not then established He only commended then the Faith of the Saints then in Rome which they had newly received viz. the Christian Faith never called it the Roman Faith and so much he spake and more of the Faith of other Nations and Persons to whom he wrote and yet never any Nation or Person usurped a Stile was never given them St. Paul Thess 1.8 witnesseth that From the Church of Thessalonica sounded out the Word of the Lord and in every place the Faith of the Thessalonians was spread abroad and were ensamples to all that believe c. ver 7. ibid. which was a true Faith and yet they never nick-named the Universal Christian Church Thessalonian nor did they ever arrogantly and audaciously adopt the Universal Church of Christ as their own Off-spring and Issue or that they only were the Catholick as Rome doth in your Position St. Paul did commend the Faith then in Rome but now 't is changed and not worthy commendation You say that is