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vega._n pro_fw-la council_n l._n 4_o c._n 10._o pag_n 49._o the_o effect_n and_o power_n of_o god_n calling_n and_o the_o benefit_n of_o his_o grace_n and_o the_o redemption_n of_o christ_n reach_v no_o further_o then_o to_o the_o elect_a alone_o never_o touch_v the_o wicked_a that_o l_o we_o among_o they_o how_o can_v the_o wicked_a either_o perfect_o or_o proper_o be_v long_o to_o the_o church_n but_o as_o i_o say_v this_o be_v not_o material_a to_o the_o point_n in_o hand_n and_o therefore_o i_o will_v not_o divert_v into_o it_o our_o assertion_n be_v that_o not_o the_o elect_v alone_o be_v always_o invisible_a but_o sometime_o also_o all_o the_o congregation_n of_o the_o world_n wherein_o they_o live_v and_o profess_v christ_n be_v so_o corrupt_v or_o oppress_v that_o albeit_o the_o substance_n of_o save_v faith_n contain_v in_o the_o creed_n and_o rule_n of_o faith_n be_v retain_v in_o they_o yet_o there_o be_v no_o congregation_n visible_a that_o have_v not_o diverse_a 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56._o heretical_a and_o temerarious_a or_o further_a then_o as_o he_o hold_v it_o with_o violence_n and_o passion_n let_v he_o read_v the_o bull_n and_o he_o shall_v find_v therein_o many_o proposition_n that_o himself_o will_v not_o condemn_v the_o second_o be_v that_o as_o a_o evil_a work_n of_o his_o nature_n merit_v eternal_a death_n so_o a_o good_a work_n of_o it_o own_o nature_n merit_v eternal_a life_n yet_o 6._o yet_o sicut_fw-la se_fw-la habet_fw-la culpa_fw-la ad_fw-la poenam_fw-la ita_fw-la opus_fw-la virtutis_fw-la ad_fw-la gloriam_fw-la sed_fw-la culpa_fw-la ex_fw-la condigno_fw-la meretur_fw-la poenam_fw-la ergo_fw-la &_o actus_fw-la virtutis_fw-la ex_fw-la condigno_fw-la meretur_fw-la vitaem_fw-la aeternam_fw-la tho._n 2._o d._n 27._o art_n 3._o quae_fw-la quidem_fw-la satis_fw-la indicant_fw-la non_fw-la minus_fw-la sempiternam_fw-la foelicitatem_fw-la iustorum_fw-la esse_fw-la praeclaris_fw-la operibus_fw-la debitam_fw-la quà m_fw-la aeternos_fw-la cruciatus_fw-la 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thereof_o to_o serve_v the_o present_a turn_n when_o he_o have_v no_o true_a understanding_n of_o the_o drift_n and_o purpose_n of_o it_o chap._n viii_o 1._o the_o papacy_n bring_v in_o by_o satan_n 2._o the_o jesuite_n spirit_n of_o contradiction_n 3._o the_o church_n of_o rome_n revolt_v the_o five_o patriarch_n be_v equal_a at_o the_o first_o 4._o plain_a scripture_n against_o the_o papacy_n 5._o the_o ignorance_n of_o popish_a laity_n 6._o corruption_n of_o writing_n by_o the_o papist_n 7._o reformation_n desire_v long_o afore_o it_o come_v 8_o 9_o advice_n give_v to_o a.d._n a._n d._n in_o the_o same_o preface_n i_o find_v many_o other_o notable_a untruth_n 27._o pag._n 27._o as_o §_o 3._o where_o he_o affirm_v that_o the_o papacy_n be_v bring_v in_o by_o satan_n at_o the_o first_o and_o be_v still_o continue_a only_o to_o seduce_v the_o world_n 1_o by_o the_o papacy_n i_o mean_v all_o that_o mass_n of_o innumerable_a error_n in_o doctrine_n and_o church-governement_n wherein_o 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between_o the_o devil_n and_o a_o apostata_fw-la or_o a_o heretic_n therefore_o i_o add_v that_o to_o communicate_v with_o the_o papacy_n be_v to_o follow_v 4.1_o follow_v 1._o tim._n 4.1_o the_o doctrine_n of_o devil_n a._n d._n and_o again_o 28._o pag_n 28._o that_o catholic_n seek_v nothing_o but_o to_o be_v contrary_a to_o protestant_n and_o even_o hate_v the_o name_n of_o peace_n 2_o i_o do_v not_o only_o say_v this_o but_o i_o show_v it_o also_o first_o by_o relate_v the_o pain_n that_o in_o vain_a and_o to_o no_o purpose_n have_v be_v take_v with_o they_o to_o bring_v they_o to_o reconciliation_n and_o namely_o at_o the_o conference_n at_o regenspurge_n where_o diverse_a point_n be_v agree_v it_o be_v well_o know_v how_o ecchius_n a_o man_n of_o a_o unquiet_a spirit_n ratispon_n spirit_n see_v his_o apol._n adu_fw-la bucer_n sup_v act_n colloq_fw-la ratispon_n labour_v to_o dissolve_v the_o agreement_n and_o discredit_v all_o that_o be_v do_v with_o the_o emperor_n and_o state_n 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