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A34675 A defence of Mr. John Cotton from the imputation of selfe contradiction, charged on him by Mr. Dan. Cavvdrey written by himselfe not long before his death ; whereunto is prefixed, an answer to a late treatise of the said Mr. Cavvdrey about the nature of schisme, by John Owen ... Cotton, John, 1584-1652.; Owen, John, 1616-1683. Of schisme. 1658 (1658) Wing C6427; ESTC R2830 62,631 184

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