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The state of the now-Romane Church Discussed by way of vindication of the Right Reuerend Father in God, the Lord Bishop of Exceter, from the weake cauills of Henry Burton. By H.C.
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Cholmley, Hugh, ca. 1574-1641.
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be_v upon_o the_o point_n of_o destrsction_n that_o they_o may_v not_o bodily_a perish_v with_o the_o wicked_a 〈◊〉_d i_o hope_v he_o will_v noisay_v that_o god_n people_n may_v 〈…〉_z ing_o pelish_v with_o they_o though_o for_o a_o time_n they_o pa_z 〈…〉_z with_o they_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d sin_n and_o temporal_a punishment_n as_o often_o and_o ordinary_o they_o do_v so_o much_o for_o the_o first_o question_n and_o for_o the_o first_o author_n the_o second_o question_n and_o author_n may_v not_o a_o simple_a papist_n miss-led_n by_o education_n or_o long_a custom_n or_o overvalue_a the_o sovereignty_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n &_o io_n in_o the_o simplicity_n of_o his_o heart_n embrace_v they_o find_v mercy_n at_o god_n hand_n by_o a_o general_a repentance_n and_o faith_n in_o the_o merit_n of_o christ_n attend_v with_o charity_n and_o other_o virtue_n burton_n here_o the_o state_n of_o the_o former_a question_n be_v quite_o alter_v by_o faith_n and_o repontance_n no_o doubt_n not_o only_o a_o ignorant_a papist_n but_o even_o a_o infidel_n may_v find_v mercy_n etc._n etc._n answer_n it_o be_v not_o true_a the_o state_n it_o still_o the_o same_o for_o the_o humble_a &_o 〈…〉_z able_a obedience_n of_o the_o former_a question_n imply_v the_o faith_n and_o repentance_n require_v in_o this_o question_n for_o without_o true_a faith_n and_o repentance_n there_o can_v be_v no_o humble_a and_o peaceable_a obedience_n and_o so_o it_o be_v true_a which_o i_o say_v before_o that_o he_o divide_v one_o question_n into_o two_o and_o make_v his_o author_n differ_v which_o agree_v in_o one_o beside_o i_o will_v desire_v he_o to_o tell_v why_o there_o he_o deny_v humility_n and_o peaceable_a behaviour_n to_o all_o papist_n and_o yet_o here_o afford_v they_o faith_n &_o repentance_n to_o salvation_n to_o this_o he_o answer_v burton_n but_o withal_o this_o silly_a papist_n believe_v and_o repent_v must_v necessary_o repent_v he_o of_o all_o his_o idolatry_n as_o well_o as_o of_o all_o his_o 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and_o do_v he_o not_o say_v also_o in_o the_o same_o place_n that_o sound_a repentance_n for_o one_o special_a sin_n bring_v with_o it_o repentance_n for_o all_o sin_n and_o do_v he_o not_o say_v elsewhere_o book_n of_o case_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 2._o sect._n 3._o paragraph_n but_o some_o may_v say_v that_o the_o great_a this_o simple_a ignorance_n be_v the_o lesser_a be_v the_o sin_n and_o that_o if_o we_o be_v careful_a to_o obey_v god_n according_a to_o our_o knowledge_n have_v withal_o a_o care_n and_o desire_v to_o increase_v in_o the_o knowledge_n of_o god_n and_o his_o will_n god_n will_v have_v we_o excuse_v and_o be_v not_o this_o the_o self-same_a mutatis_fw-la mutandis_fw-la which_o this_o author_n or_o doctor_n have_v deliver_v if_o the_o pope_n and_o bellarmine_n and_o the_o whole_a rabble_n of_o pontifician_n will_v say_v no_o worse_o than_o so_o it_o will_v be_v the_o best_a day_n work_v we_o do_v these_o seventy_o year_n to_o be_v reconcile_v burton_n but_o do_v this_o general_a repentance_n include_v idolatry_n with_o all_o popish_a trumpery_n as_o thing_n to_o be_v repent_v of_o if_o not_o such_o repentance_n shall_v never_o bring_v he_o to_o salvation_n answer_n we_o grant_v all_o this_o repentance_n include_v all_o unknown_a sin_n and_o so_o all_o idolatry_n and_o all_o other_o popish_a trumpery_n burton_n if_o it_o do_v include_v they_o then_o by_o faith_n in_o christ_n merit_n he_o come_v to_o be_v save_v not_o as_o a_o papist_n but_o as_o a_o true_a believer_n renounce_v popery_n and_o then_o no_o god-have-mercy_o to_o his_o popery_n or_o to_o his_o silly_a ignorance_n answer_n loc_n here_o be_v the_o upshot_n of_o all_o this_o be_v his_o strong_a hold_n wherein_o he_o put_v his_o whole_a trust_n in_o this_o question_n and_o yet_o god_n know_v it_o be_v but_o a_o mere_a start_a hole_n as_o poor_a a_o shift_n and_o evasion_n as_o ever_o man_n can_v use_v here_o then_o let_v it_o be_v observe_v that_o he_o use_v two_o point_n of_o sophistry_n 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