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heretic_n convict_v and_o judge_v by_o the_o pastor_n of_o that_o particular_a church_n of_o which_o he_o be_v a_o subject-member_n be_v according_o to_o be_v avoid_v and_o in_o foro_fw-la illius_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la be_v so_o far_o cast_v out_o of_o that_o church_n as_o the_o sentence_n import_v prop._n 4._o such_o a_o heretic_n if_o he_o be_v a_o pastor_n of_o one_o church_n and_o be_v convict_v and_o condemn_v by_o the_o consociate_n coequal_a pastor_n of_o the_o neighbour_n church_n be_v according_o cast_v out_o from_o communion_n of_o all_o the_o church_n of_o which_o they_o be_v pastor_n prop._n 5._o so_o far_o as_o any_o christian_n through_o the_o world_n have_v sufficient_a proof_n or_o cognisance_n of_o the_o say_a conviction_n and_o condemnation_n they_o be_v all_o bind_v according_o to_o esteem_v the_o condemn_a heretic_n and_o avoid_v he_o prop_n 6._o if_o heresy_n be_v take_v for_o the_o obstinate_a impenitent_a resist_a or_o reject_v of_o any_o point_n of_o faith_n that_o be_v of_o divine_a revelation_n which_o be_v make_v so_o plain_a to_o the_o person_n that_o nothing_o but_o a_o wicked_a will_n can_v cause_v such_o resistance_n or_o rejection_n such_o person_n be_v just_o convict_v and_o condemn_v as_o aforesaid_a be_v to_o be_v take_v as_o person_n condemn_v for_o obstinacy_n and_o impenitency_n in_o any_o other_o sin_n and_o be_v out_o of_o the_o church_n as_o far_o as_o a_o man_n condemn_v for_o impenitency_n in_o drunkenness_n or_o fornication_n be_v prop._n 7._o heresy_n take_v in_o this_o soft_a sense_n for_o the_o denial_n of_o a_o truth_n of_o divine_a revelation_n not_o essential_a to_o the_o christian_a religion_n or_o necessary_a to_o the_o be_v of_o a_o christian_a exclude_v no_o man_n from_o the_o church_n of_o itself_o unless_o they_o be_v legal_o convict_v of_o wicked_a impenitency_n and_o obstinacy_n in_o defend_v it_o prop._n 8._o a_o sentence_n pass_v in_o alieno_fw-la foro_fw-la by_o a_o usurper_n that_o have_v no_o true_a authority_n thereto_o prove_v no_o man_n a_o heretic_n prop._n 9_o a_o sentence_n pass_v by_o a_o authorize_v pastor_n or_o by_o many_o if_o it_o be_v notorious_o unjust_a cleave_v errante_fw-la prove_v no_o man_n a_o heretic_n or_o out_o of_o the_o universal_a church_n prop._n 10._o a_o sentence_n pass_v by_o one_o church_n or_o many_o consociate_n bind_v none_o to_o take_v the_o condemn_a person_n to_o be_v a_o heretic_n and_o out_o of_o the_o universal_a church_n but_o those_o that_o have_v sufficient_a notice_n of_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o judge_n and_o validity_n of_o the_o evidence_n or_o a_o ground_n of_o violent_a presumption_n as_o it_o be_v call_v that_o the_o sentence_n be_v just_a prop._n 11._o he_o that_o be_v sentence_v a_o heretic_n or_o impenitent_a by_o the_o pastor_n of_o some_o church_n and_o acquit_v by_o the_o equally-authorized_n pastor_n of_o other_o church_n be_v not_o eo_fw-la nomine_fw-la to_o be_v condemn_v or_o acquit_v by_o a_o three_o church_n but_o use_v as_o the_o evidence_n require_v prop._n 12._o there_o be_v a_o actual_a excommunication_n pro_fw-la medelâ_fw-la and_o pro_fw-la tempore_fw-la due_a for_o a_o actual_a wilful_a defence_n of_o error_n or_o for_o other_o wilful_a sin_n which_o stated_o put_v not_o a_o man_n out_o of_o the_o church_n as_o there_o be_v a_o excommunication_n à _fw-fr statu_fw-la &_o relatione_fw-la which_o be_v due_a for_o state_v habitual_a or_o obstinate_a impenitency_n in_o that_o or_o other_o great_a or_o know_a sin_n have_v thus_o distinct_o tell_v you_o my_o judgement_n how_o far_o heretic_n be_v or_o be_v not_o in_o or_o out_o of_o the_o universal_a church_n i_o add_v in_o order_n to_o the_o application_n 1._o that_o this_o whole_a debate_n be_v nothing_o to_o the_o great_a difference_n between_o you_o and_o we_o it_o be_v not_o the_o fide_fw-la in_o your_o own_o account_n but_o a_o dogma_fw-la theologicum_fw-la which_o you_o differ_v about_o among_o yourselves_o bellarmine_n tell_v you_o alphonsus_n a_o castro_n maintain_v that_o heretic_n be_v in_o the_o church_n the_o eccles._n l._n 3._o c._n 4._o and_o he_o himself_o say_v that_o haeretici_fw-la pertinent_a ad_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la ut_fw-la oves_fw-la ad_fw-la ovile_a unde_fw-la confugerunt_fw-la ibid._n c._n 4._o so_o that_o they_o be_v oves_fw-la still_o and_o if_o it_o be_v but_o ovile_a particular_a veluti_fw-la romanum_fw-la that_o they_o fly_v from_o and_o not_o the_o universal_a that_o prove_v they_o not_o out_o of_o the_o universal_a church_n and_o bellarmine_n say_v of_o the_o catechumen_n &_o excommunicatis_fw-la that_o they_o be_v de_fw-fr anima_fw-la et_fw-la si_fw-la non_fw-la de_fw-fr corpore_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la ib._n c._n 2._o and_o may_v be_v save_v cap._n 6._o and_o the_o anima_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la be_v not_o incorporate_v in_o the_o world_n without_o all_o that_o have_v that_o soul_n be_v of_o that_o church_n which_o christ_n that_o animate_v his_o member_n be_v the_o head_n of_o which_o make_v melchior_n canus_n fatente_fw-la bellarmino_fw-la de_fw-fr eccl._n l._n 3._o c._n 3._o confess_v the_o be_v of_o that_o which_o indeed_o be_v the_o true_a catholic_a church_n say_v of_o the_o unbaptised_a believer_n that_o sunt_fw-la de_fw-fr ecclesia_fw-la quae_fw-la comprehendit_fw-la omnes_fw-la fideles_fw-la ab_fw-la abel_n usque_fw-la ad_fw-la consummationem_fw-la mundi_fw-la 2._o many_o pope_n have_v be_v condemn_v for_o heretic_n even_o by_o general_a council_n as_o not_o only_a henorius_fw-la by_o two_o or_o three_o but_o eugenius_n by_o the_o council_n of_o basil_n when_o yet_o he_o keep_v his_o place_n and_o the_o rest_n come_v in_o as_o his_o successor_n and_o your_o writer_n frequent_o confess_v that_o a_o pope_n may_v be_v a_o heretic_n as_o pope_n adrian_n himself_o affirm_v now_o if_o these_o be_v not_o of_o the_o church_n than_o they_o be_v not_o head_n of_o the_o church_n and_o then_o be_v essential_a part_n of_o your_o church_n it_o follow_v that_o your_o church_n be_v heretical_a