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though_o the_o church_n can_v not_o its_o testimony_n ought_v to_o be_v believe_v many_o clown_n who_o unanimous_o say_v they_o have_v see_v a_o eclyps_n or_o extravagant_a inundation_n of_o the_o sea_n deserve_v credit_n though_o they_o be_v no_o philosopher_n or_o mathematician_n and_o consequent_o can_v not_o give_v any_o clear_a reason_n of_o a_o eclyp_v etc._n etc._n therefore_o the_o testimony_n of_o catholic_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v reject_v concern_v transubstantiation_n or_o any_o other_o mystery_n though_o they_o can_v not_o give_v clear_a reason_n for_o it_o it_o be_v enough_o for_o they_o to_o recurre_v to_o god_n omnipotency_n 7_o but_o how_o say_a protestant_n can_v we_o be_v call_v heretic_n or_o obstinate_a if_o we_o be_v content_a to_o submit_v our_o judgement_n and_o believe_v what_o be_v sufficient_o propose_v as_o god_n revelation_n we_o only_o deny_v that_o the_o roman_a church_n do_v propose_v sufficient_o as_o god_n revelation_n their_o decree_n in_o the_o counsel_n of_o trent_n and_o lateran_n etc._n etc._n to_o this_o i_o have_v answer_v in_o the_o three_o chap._n and_o now_o again_o do_v affirm_v that_o there_o be_v no_o prince_n who_o do_v propose_v his_o command_n and_o sense_n concern_v any_o matter_n more_o sufficient_o by_o his_o subordinate_a minister_n than_o god_n do_v his_o word_n and_o sense_n of_o scripture_n by_o the_o roman_a church_n because_o there_o have_v not_o be_v only_o a_o continual_a succession_n of_o this_o doctrine_n we_o profess_v from_o the_o primitive_a church_n to_o this_o present_a which_o neither_o the_o greek_a church_n 9_o see_v chap._n 9_o nor_o any_o other_o can_v pretend_v to_o have_v change_v the_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n more_o than_o once_o but_o because_o there_o do_v appear_v such_o evident_a sign_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v appoint_v by_o god_n to_o declare_v to_o all_o the_o world_n the_o true_a faith_n and_o sense_n of_o scripture_n that_o it_o must_v be_v obstinacy_n in_o the_o high_a 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