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and_o pain_n which_o he_o suffer_v out_o of_o which_o doctrine_n depend_v a_o very_a ill_a consequence_n that_o not_o only_a christ_n fancy_n but_o even_o his_o concupiscible_a part_n be_v subject_a to_o tentation_n and_o passion_n now_o if_o your_o divine_a do_v not_o hold_v this_o why_o do_v he_o apply_v it_o here_o to_o show_v that_o the_o constancy_n of_o the_o soul_n in_o purgatory_n can_v abate_v their_o suffering_n from_o extern_a cause_n and_o turn_v they_o to_o pleasure_n another_o pitiful_a answer_n he_o add_v that_o 〈◊〉_d torment_v of_o purgatory_n do_v not_o cause_v the_o entrance_n to_o heaven_n but_o only_o remove_v what_o hinder_v it_o as_o if_o he_o that_o dester_v heaven_n be_v not_o glad_a to_o have_v the_o hindrance_n take_v away_o 3._o in_o his_o three_o number_n he_o pâ—etends_v to_o answer_v the_o improportion_n betwixt_o corporeal_a pain_n and_o spiritual_a offence_n but_o by_o his_o great_a skill_n in_o miss_v of_o the_o question_n his_o first_o answer_n return_v the_o question_n upon_o we_o as_o if_o we_o hold_v that_o some_o be_v burn_v more_o grievous_o or_o long_o than_o other_o at_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n the_o which_o be_v a_o pure_a mistake_n of_o our_o doctrine_n as_o i_o have_v often_o repeat_v his_o second_o objection_n be_v of_o the_o body_n of_o the_o bless_a and_o damn_a the_o which_o he_o mistake_v also_o think_v those_o pain_n and_o glory_n to_o be_v immediate_o proportion_v to_o the_o act_n of_o virtue_n or_o vice_n which_o they_o be_v not_o but_o the_o immediate_a proportion_n be_v of_o the_o act_n of_o the_o bless_a or_o damn_a soul_n in_o their_o life_n and_o in_o their_o end_a state_n now_o as_o these_o act_n be_v strong_a so_o do_v they_o diffuse_v into_o their_o body_n different_a quality_n and_o hence_o it_o follow_v that_o the_o body_n be_v proportionable_o reward_v not_o that_o the_o good_a or_o ill_o of_o the_o body_n have_v any_o proportion_n to_o the_o merit_n or_o demirit_n but_o because_o the_o disposition_n of_o the_o body_n follow_v 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o final_a act_n and_o disposition_n of_o the_o soul_n which_o have_v proportion_n 4._o he_o press_v scripture_n first_o out_o of_o the_o apocalypse_v where_o there_o be_v no_o mention_n of_o corporeal_a and_o spiritual_a but_o mere_o of_o demerit_n and_o punishment_n second_o from_o job_n chap._n 〈◊〉_d desire_v that_o his_o offence_n and_o punishment_n â—…ight_v be_v weigh_v in_o a_o pair_n of_o sâ—ales_n what_o shall_v i_o say_v if_o your_o divine_a be_v ask_v whether_o the_o least_o venial_a sin_n be_v not_o worse_o than_o all_o the_o torment_v job_n suffer_v he_o will_v say_v questionless_a yes_o what_o then_o do_v he_o mean_v to_o make_v of_o this_o say_n of_o job_n that_o job_n be_v a_o fool_n to_o make_v such_o a_o proposition_n sure_o in_o his_o way_n no_o less_o can_v be_v understand_v but_o that_o we_o may_v not_o only_o confute_v simplicity_n but_o deliver_v true_a doctrine_n we_o must_v tell_v he_o that_o job_n cast_v his_o eye_n upon_o the_o providence_n god_n use_v over_o the_o good_a and_o bad_a in_o this_o world_n to_o show_v to_o his_o unpitiful_a friend_n that_o those_o harm_n be_v not_o come_v upon_o he_o for_o his_o excess_n of_o misbehaviour_n beyond_o other_o but_o out_o of_o god_n special_a pleasure_n so_o that_o this_o example_n be_v nothing_o at_o all_o to_o our_o question_n since_o it_o speak_v nothing_o but_o of_o god_n external_a providence_n in_o this_o world_n 5._o like_o to_o this_o be_v his_o next_o out_o of_o levititus_n where_o to_o several_a sin_n several_a offering_n be_v parallel_v the_o which_o it_o seem_v he_o will_v have_v to_o be_v understand_v as_o if_o the_o gift_n be_v the_o true_a worth_n of_o the_o offence_n which_o i_o believe_v our_o casuist_n and_o ghostly_a father_n will_v not_o allow_v of_o another_o objection_n be_v from_o the_o proposition_n make_v by_o our_o divine_n to_o the_o greek_n and_o by_o they_o not_o admit_v which_o in_o great_a word_n he_o vent_v say_v all_o the_o latinâ—_n church_n stand_v accuse_v of_o folly_n here_o the_o force_n of_o the_o objection_n lie_v in_o the_o word_n folly_n a_o worthy_a objection_n as_o the_o most_o of_o his_o be_v for_o no_o man_n doubt_n but_o every_o speculative_a proposition_n which_o be_v false_a may_v be_v in_o rigour_n call_v folly_n but_o civility_n give_v this_o name_n only_o to_o such_o falsity_n as_o be_v avoid_v by_o the_o most_o of_o that_o art_n or_o science_n to_o which_o the_o discovery_n of_o such_o folly_n appertain_v now_o to_o make_v a_o argument_n this_o proposition_n must_v be_v term_v folly_n though_o in_o the_o same_o breath_n he_o profess_v few_o do_v avoid_v it_o he_o repeat_v divers_a other_o authority_n which_o as_o far_o as_o we_o get_v the_o book_n we_o examine_v in_o the_o place_n in_o which_o they_o be_v first_o urge_v he_o add_v the_o practice_n of_o indulgence_n but_o every_o man_n know_v they_o be_v proportion_v to_o the_o penitential_a canon_n not_o the_o law_n of_o purgatory_n when_o it_o be_v say_v so_o many_o day_n or_o year_n pardon_v and_o for_o the_o plenary_a delivery_n it_o have_v be_v heretofore_o discuss_v at_o last_o he_o come_v to_o reason_n and_o there_o he_o tell_v we_o that_o god_n look_v not_o on_o the_o physical_a nature_n of_o the_o act_n but_o upon_o the_o moral_a but_o what_o this_o moral_a signify_v he_o declare_v not_o now_o according_a to_o my_o skill_n i_o must_v profess_v that_o i_o take_v it_o to_o be_v a_o mere_a nonsensical_a expression_n when_o it_o be_v apply_v to_o spiritual_a act_n for_o a_o act_n of_o the_o will_n be_v morality_n itself_o and_o how_o much_o it_o be_v physical_o harmful_a to_o the_o soul_n so_o much_o be_v it_o moral_o naught_o and_o how_o far_o profitable_a so_o much_o be_v it_o moral_o good_a so_o that_o to_o distinguish_v moral_a and_o physical_a in_o intrinsical_v act_n of_o the_o will_n be_v but_o to_o give_v a_o bob_n instead_o of_o a_o bit_n a_o name_n instead_o of_o a_o thing_n a_o 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show_v it_o to_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o doctrine_n both_o of_o the_o church_n and_o of_o our_o own_o profession_n ch._n 17._o n._n 12._o and_o 13._o where_o our_o answer_n also_o be_v give_v as_o far_o as_o depend_v not_o from_o this_o place_n the_o substance_n of_o it_o be_v that_o a_o present_a relief_n of_o the_o dead_a by_o prayer_n be_v neither_o the_o expectation_n of_o the_o church_n or_o understand_a person_n of_o their_o own_o opinion_n who_o all_o teach_v we_o must_v remit_v circumstance_n and_o substance_n also_o to_o god_n high_a counsel_n and_o will_n and_o beside_o it_o be_v declare_v how_o the_o unchangeableness_n of_o spirit_n hinder_v not_o that_o the_o soul_n have_v relief_n in_o purgatory_n and_o that_o relief_n at_o the_o very_a time_n of_o prayer_n be_v contrary_a to_o the_o very_a sense_n of_o their_o own_o divine_n 8._o after_o this_o your_o divine_a be_v equivocate_v something_o strange_o not_o distinguish_v between_o the_o duration_n of_o a_o spirit_n and_o 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